Why mustangs?
 

I always here about Mustangs being really fast for cheap. (especially 5.0's) But I have a question.
I know that they start out pretty quick.

but why is a mustang easy to modify? Do bolt on's give you much more gains than with our 4cyl?
I would think that to get big power gains they would have to go forced induction like we do but mabye i'm wrong.

I'm just curious as to how a v8 driver goes about making his car fast. Not that I want to buy a domestic.

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I think the fact that they have 4 more cylinders than we do might have something to do with it. ;)

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hmmm, 4 more cylinders does obviously have some impact but imagine if honda decided to make the crx with the H22 motor and RWD... That would be a 13 second car from the factory with only 4 cylinders and NA... and the 5.0 is over twice the size of that motor...

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one other reason is that theres so much aftermarket support for them...

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they way i figure it, a mustang running 13's is like a civic runnin a 15. when people have a fast civic, something in the 12's, say... a comaprable mustang should be in like the 11's. I give props to honda people more, cuz we take our motors that are half the size, and give a beating to mustangs. People who drive mustangs, for the most part, are cocky punks that think cuz there exhaust growls, then its fast. thats why i think people like us are better...

and to be honest, i dont know what relevance this has to your question. lol :-X

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actually stock 5.0 mustangs are slow as ----.....they suck. my friend justin had a 90 5.0 stang and it was terrible. he has a 94 camaro z28 now and its 2wice as fast. my crx with a 50 shot on a stock a6 motor beat that mustang

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The best of the best mustangs are the 93' cobras, and they ran 14.5.... The new cobra is the exspetion.

Mustangs gain a lot from mods and they is a very large "following", just like SOHC honda guys they can fix/replace parts by asking almost any friend for spare parts and pretty much trade favors..

I had a Non-A/C 89 LX hatchback. It had headers, H-pipe, mufflers, air filter, BFG Drag radials, cobra clutch, weld racing rims, and a lot of misc. weight reduction. I beat my brother by about a car in the 1/4 but at around 125mph he would fly by me. He had/has a 95' Z-28, at the time it just had a air filter and flashed ECU. Now he has headers, DRs, stall convertor, and special clutchs in the tranny and runs nothing but 13.4@99/100mph all day, no more, no less, every run is 13.4, and BTW it has 105K miles on it !!

V8s are a lot less effecant. We get about 1/2 the hp they do, but we only use about 1/4 the motor.

If a 5.0 stang made the same power per liter as a B16A2, it would make 500hp stock !!! Hehehe.. A 5.7L camaro would make 570hp stock !!! and a viper would make 800hp stock !!! Don't get me started on a turbo B16 vs V8s !!

Mustangs have all the right stuff to go fast. Light chasis, RWD, and all the after market support in the world, not to meantion you can buy a 4 banger if your going to build a race car from nothing ( like build the engine, tranny ( you'll need a good one, the stock 5.0 trannies stock balls ), and a disk brake rear end ).

The SVO mustang is pretty sweet, 4cyl., RWD, 2.3L, and best of all TURBO. They were faster than the 5.0 the last year they were built (1986).

Re:Why mustangs?
 

dont listen to anyone besides me here.

this is why.

the 5.0 motor is choked to death. just like almsot all v8 motors, with the exceptions being the ls1/ls6 motors.

the 5.0 is so choked up with the stock intake manifold, stock exhaust manifolds, and stock exhaust, that just replacing the manifolds with headers and exhaust with diff mufflers results in a big gain.

take an old 350 2 bbl carb'd engine. put a 4 bbl intake manifold and a 4 bbl carb and they wake right up.

these 4cyl engines are not restricted from the factory. bcause they need everything they can get, and they're using everything they have to make as much hp and tq as they can. that is why they have a high hp/l ratio. most of the american made v8s dont need a high hp/l ratio. the people who buy these cars want easy cruising torque which a v8 gives yah, but they dont nessecaryly need the high revving horsepower that a v8 COULD give.

that my friends in the bottom line

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NOT, the v8s you speak of are made to create torque not to rev high and make horsepower. please try again

Re:Why mustangs?
 

yup

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I'd put money on that same Musatng whooping your ass on the top end. They come with a set of stupid ass long highway gears(2.72/2.73?) Plus they weigh an ass load and a half.
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Re:Why mustangs?
 

volumetric efficiency is what stock 4 bangers have and what stock v-8s don't have. v-8s gain more from intake and exhaust because they have more volumetric effiency to regain. 4 bangers get less response from intake and exhaust because they came out of the factory with the environment in mind, and that requires making the most out of less.

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Like the farty sound of a civic or some other 4 banger sounds good? Gimme a ------- break man. ::)

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You have no idea how sad these "street racers" are out here. Stock 4 bangers with header/fart-can think they can win races. Then they think by adding a 50 shot(lol, thats sad) they can beat up on mustangs.

There is no replacement for displacement, technology works here too.

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I hate mustangs, ---- a ponie

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Sorry gotta add one more thing, most of you are cool in my book, you concentrate on going fast, not looks. But some of you who think you are somehow superior to mustangs and the "punks" that drive em, you look the same way to them, just another dumbfuckled ricer revving the piss out of his 4banger.

Re:Why mustangs?
 

Like this ------- idiot, lol...

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Speak of the devil, I just bought an 89 lx 5.0 shell this past weekend. Hopefully gonna bring it to the house sometime this week so I can get to workin on it. Yes some mustang guys are asses, and the same goes for imports. It's not the car you drive, its the person driving it.

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:D

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Yep. I drive a turbo civic, my brother has a Z-28, my other friend drives a 92' 5.0 GT, my best friend drives a buick regal grand national, and my other friend drives a 1.8T VW GTi, and we all get along great ( and we all make wise cracks at each others cars, and take them in stride ).

LS6 is a bad ass exsample of how you don't need 5 valves per cyl. over-head cams, and 9000rpms to make good power.

Re:Why mustangs?
 

What kind of car do you drive cap?

And as far as Mustangs I dont really perfer them. But I give mad props to Saleens and Cobras. Those cars are ------- beast.

Re:Why mustangs?
 

I was weeding through Autotrader for a decent one a couple days ago. I get a woody when I think about 2 big ass turbos sticking out of the hood. I had a chance to buy an 88Gt with a 5 speed(of course)for $2500. The only bad thing was the interior was shot, but I planned on ripping it out anyways.

To add to the topic, just by swapping the gears in a 5.0 you can shave an insane amount of your 1/4 times. Don't underestimate those cars. They have serious potential.
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Re:Why mustangs?
 

Sad thing is a 50 shot of NOS on d16 can take out some mustangs... please note "SOME"

But I agree with Cap for the most part. Its the driver and the person driving more than anything else. You'll learn there are assholes in both the import and the domestic crowd... Just chill, learn ----, and go fast!

Re:Why mustangs?
 

88 Mustang GT, and no I'm not V8 biased, I had an MR2 Turbo before this, and honestly I liked the MR2 more.

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Also, one of my good friends is on this board, and he drives a del slow, and we get along, sometimes.

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Oh i was just wondering. I thought someone offended you or something cuz I thought you had a mustang or something :)

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one thing is cool, mustangs cant take a turn at high speeds. It real funny when try and they get rear wheal hop or then vear to the far outside of the curve. :-)

Nick

Re:Why mustangs?
 

ok talk some more out of your ass lol

Re:Why mustangs?
 

that has nothing to do with anything.

if you take a serious unbiased look at the gas mileage on a high revving high hp/l engine in lets say a integra gsr, or type r.

a z06 with tall overdrive gears are a 405hp/400ftlb torque engien gets about the same mpg. maybe even better on the highway.

most 4 bangin cars dont get the type of gas mileage they shoudl because they have to rev to keep moving. like on the highway. if they had some torque, they would be able to almost idle down the highway and get insane gas mileage.

Re:Why mustangs?
 

mustangs, especially 5.0s are very popular now just because of the 5 liter engine they possess stock, there is as much aftermarket parts for the mas they are for hondas and imports

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First of all, just cuase i dont like mustangs has nothing to do with me being a ricer. 2nd I think it is alot more hands on and fun when u build up something yourself and see the hi numbers and horespower that comes out of it, Not just go buy a mustang cuase they are fast. Plus u get more experience doing it yourself inste4ad of just syaing I HAVE A FAST CAr. I do fallow you on these assholes that have a intake and a fart can and rev on everyone thinking they are the ----, But get the facts before you go posting and calling someone a ------- in which you have no idea what you are talking about. Thank you

Re:Why mustangs?
 

yes that is meanand not brotherly like, like we do-it-your-selfers should treat each other like, the only "ricers" i laugh at are the ones in these old ass hondas that look like crap and they install a pipe so it sounds better, i laugh all the time at those people, fyi they dont have or plan to instal any performance on there car

Re:Why mustangs?
 

you dont htink that people with v8 sports cars mod them?

to use your own words

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I dont think thats what he ment random strike. I think he was saying its more fun to turn something with low horspower into high horsepower.

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hmmm i didnt know stock GT mustangs where considered high horsepower. lol

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mustangs are a dime a dozen. throw a crank, exhaust, headers, some pistons and they can ------ go. :-\

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like there arent a million hondas out there

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when seeking a older 5.0 be picky and take your time. I've seen POS stangs sell for $3000 and I've seen clean stangs with new short block, SVO heads, and lots of bolt-ons sell for $2500...

A good idea would be to do some research on the 5.0s, then goto a local 5.0 hang out and ask those guys about buying one, most likely they know a guys with a desecnt car for real cheap.

Like me, I think paying anymore than $1500 for a crx is stupid, but I see people all the time that pay/payed $3000+ for one....

Re:Why mustangs?
 

I drove a 4.6 GT last fall. It did make decent power for a stock car. Suspension and handling sucked ass but it did squat and go pretty well off the launch.

You have to understand that stangs are a different sort of car as compared to the average import. Each was designed with something different in mind.

It feels good to spank a mustang because they don't usually expect it.

A modded mustang pulls up beside you... You hear the exhaust, the whirring of the SC and the lumpy cam you know you're sitting beside something fast. My modded mazda pulls up beside you. Can't see the FMIC it's black.Can't see the giant turbo - hood is closed. All you hear is an exhaust and if I wanted you to you may have heard a BOV.

You get the idea - import sleepers are far easier.

-Michael

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I have a full-race mustang that I use for auto-x. MY del slow can finsh with it in the quarter, but the mustang is set up for road racing. To answer the question originally posted, Mustangs are the unimog of racing. You want a drag car, you got a drag car. you want a road racer, you have a road racer, and for cheap. ---- I have 5300 in my mustang from start to finish-they are just inexpensive, hell you can't even do a turbo H-22 swap for that. I love my honda, and I wear my honda hat when I drive my mustang, but nothing beats the the performance to wallet thinness ratio of a good pony. I can wait to TT it wheeeeee!