Who believes in random events?
 

This may be too deep and philosophical and ---- for the HMT crew, but I figured I'd ask anyway just to see how people would respond.

So we were tripping one day, and somehow the thought of "random" popped in my head.

My belief:
Every thought is based on chemical reactions in your brain. If it were possible to get the state of every atom simultaneously, and we knew exactly how the brain (and everything else) worked, it would be possible to predict everyone's reaction to certain stimuli or events.

---- doesn't just happen out of the blue. It's always a reaction to something else.

I don't think we'll ever have the technology to actually gather all the needed info and compute it, but I believe that in theory it's possible.

Throws the whole "free will" ---- out the window.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenb...inty_principle is the first thing that came to mind

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Kinda like donnie darko

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

lay off the crack and then you dont have to live with your crazy thoughts 8)

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Never seen it, but have been meaning to watch it for ages.

It was either psilocybin or 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthio-PEA ( :P ) I've tried coke once, never done crack, never will do coke again.

That was interesting! Never seen it before.

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When I think of Random, I think of Christopher Cross.

Youtube for referance: (let it play through or you're a ----- fag)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqfz1l9s6k0

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

Wow, that's elementary old skool there...

Very odd. I've never heard of this for the 23 years I've been alive. You mention it today, then later a friend links me to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (www.venganza.org come and worship) and on page 2 of the following brochure, it mentions the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

http://www.venganza.org/images/sprea..._brochure2.pdf

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/u...n_brochure.gif

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

Fine, don't appreciate my random thoughts. I bet you clicked off it before it was done too, trick bitchboy. Click off this one and tragedy will strike.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YcmlIWihR6c&feature=related

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Kinda completely unlike Donnie Darko. He was stuck in a repetitive time loop meant to eventually force him into the one action that would repair the rift in space/time. At no time was that choice something he wanted to do, it was something he was forced into, and was never his choice which is why the movie insinuates in a couple places that the movie's storyline does not depict his first time through the loop.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

To be honest, I had no ------- clue what it is and did not click on it. Instead, I chose to spout a seemingly random comment.

I'm listening through this ----, something better blow up into a fine mist of blood at the end, before my skull does.

I'll come clean, my comment wasn't random, I thought you were posting something like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5J5titd0Kbw

They are both old school as ---- though.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

You been talking to Ryan again?

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No, but I did start tearing apart his car yesterday, because you know from the beginning I've been telling him the head gasket is shot. Chris put it back together today, only to tell him that "your headgasket is blown." So, I said ---- going back over there to redo what I started yesterday because some dipshit didn't believe I knew what I was talking about.

I don't think ryan can grasp this concept. He started his psychotic episode when Jay and I were having a nice mushroom enhanced philosophical discussion about time.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

When I think of random I think of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J5titd0Kbw


EDIT: ---- YOU ALREADY LINKED KRIS KROSS

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Wow. Same here. It's hard to get people to understand because they'll say "Ok, I'm gonna decide to raise my hand", they do so and say - "see I have free will".

It takes a very open mind to see the whole idea but once you do there's no going back. It's just the way ---- works. There's no if's and's or but's about it. It's just mechanics.

The belief is called "Determinism" and I am a determinist.

I was pondering how a computer generated a random number and came to the conclusion that it doesn't. It can't. Then I started thinking about my own brain and came to the same conclusion

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Didn't know there was a name for the belief. I'll have to read more about it.

Computer random numbers, actually someone brought that up yesterday. I kindly explained to them how computers can in no way generate one, and a majority of them just use the time as a seed and an algorithm to generate the "random" number. There are better algorithms that make less predictable numbers, but being that a computer is a logic machine it can all be predicted. WE possibly can't predict it without having every bit of the info that the computer's random number comes from, but it doesn't make it "random."

Anything that is random, is only random because we don't have the ability to gather what's necessary to predict it. But, it's still predictable.

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Free will or the illusion of free will is related to the random firing of neurons within the brain. New Scientist did an article about it a while ago.

Chaos theory is actually quite similar to what you are discussing about the complexity of a system preventing us from fully understanding it. To accurately model weather systems would require knowing the state of every atom on the planet and its interactions with every other atom. The complexity of which prevents us from ever knowing whether it is about to rain. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, just means understanding that level of complexity is very unlikely.

And the same goes for our brain, chaos theory dictates we will never fully understand the way in which spontaneous firing of neurons affects the other neurons surrounding it. Partly because of the complexity of interconnections (about 1000 synaptic connections for every single brain cell).

Oh yeah, drugs are bad.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory

it's what i have my degree in.

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Yep. Not saying that we will ever be able to predict it, I'm about 99% sure we won't, BUT it is something that could be predicted if we had the capability...thus free will is BS and Christians are lying to me.

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i sniffed coke at work last night, i did get the sensation of cherries though...........although nothing happened to me? weird or no?

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I didn't get the sensation of any of that. It suddenly felt like my heart was pounding, probably because it was, and I felt a little euphoric. Not that interesting to me.

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I think by trying to predict somones actions, you are gonna change the outcome, if a subject is aware that his actions are being predicted, he won't act as he would normaly the predictions wouldn't be acurate. Im not shure how to explain my thinking, its hard to get ---- out of my head on to the computer and make it sound cohearant,

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

I understand what you're saying, but:

If you could simultaneously gather info on the state of every atom in the person's brain, you would be able to predict how the person would react to any situation, including one where he knew he was being predicted.

You would have to have all the info on the external influences of the person as well to be able to decide how the person would react to those situations, but at the basic level...the person is still just reacting to a force.

If two atoms interacted in the exact same way, the result would always be the exact same and you would know the exact outcome of that exact situation...it would never be different. Everything is built from atoms and thus is completely predictable.

The only problem is, we don't have the ability to create the exact same interaction (intentionally), and in order to predict everything with 100% accuracy, you would have have to get the state of every single photon/neutron/proton/moron at the exact same time...in a time so brief it isn't measurable because of its brevity...or in (opposite of infinity) seconds.

This is impossible to do. If it was possible, and you process all the info faster than real time (which is also impossible), you would literally be able to see into the future.

We will never be able to accurately predict everything, but theoretically it is 100% possible and "free will" DOES NOT exist.

Really opens the door to other questions...

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I see what you're saying, and it seems plausible, But you have to measure all those factors at a universal level. Now if the universe is infinite including supposide other dimentions, that means a lot of info to compute :S That would make seeing into the future a propbability, not to mention if we have the ability to know the univers and dimentions, we would be knocking on the door of time travle as well... my brain tickles....

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Makes my right nut hurt a little. But I suppose anything is possible... not probable... but possible

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i feel like thinking about this ---- makes both my nuts hurt. And we will never be able to ------- predick the future cuz of drugs. Although when iam really ------- high I know i will be hungry later.

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Avatar's what are gay ?

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that's going to go WAAAAAAY over his head.

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if it went over my head it's cuz iam high.

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avatar is are gay

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ok i fixed it

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back to the topic at hand

WTF does your sig mean dude?



Oh *ahem* and Orange Chicken

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I have a deadnutsac

and photobucket sucks

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No dude, what does this ---- mean. It strains my head

I was late to work cuz the pawnshop was closed and i couldn't get gas money???
poopstar not pornstar??
we get drunk in the trunk??

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

well iam planning to have a vote for my sig thus the ?? marks. So which one is da ----? Iam going for poopstar not pornstar

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

the only one that remotely makes sense to me is the one about being broke and going to the pawn shop. Not that I've ever done that...



I have a 10 inch black cock can you fix it with your hands?

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wait you don't get drunk in the trunk???

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i didnt read half of that...but i dont agree with what you said in the first post. Not everyone has the same reactions to certain things, how do you explain that

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

he's not talking about people's reactions per se but you have to look at it at the smallest level and that's quantum mechanics and electron exhange and ---- which leads to a thought. You can't force your will upon those reactions therefore do not have free will.

Re: Who believes in random events?
 

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i understand what youre saying but i still dont think you can break it down that much...people are different. Even if you had the ability to find what events caused certain reactions on the molecular level or whatever, there would still be differences between people. You could maybe find what chemicals in the brain reacted to certain stimulii,etc, but i bet every person has a different chemical makeup so it wouldnt do you any good trying to predict what they were going to do based upon what you learned. At least thats how i see it, i think there is free will...have you ever felt the urge to do something very badly but you held back? Your body wants you to do something, but your mind has the ability to make a choice. I guess you can say its all due to chemicals and reactions, but i still say that on some level i control them.