We're Fucked ;-)
11-04-2008, 11:25 PM
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Re: Before you vote....
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
In europe, Liberalism is what we call conservatism. It creates a lot of amusing confusion on forums.
America's problem with the ------- Canadians isn't your near-commie political orientation. Either you understand Southpark, why warm beer is bad, and that soggy poutine-ruined french fries are disgusting or you do not. :1
America's problem with the ------- Canadians isn't your near-commie political orientation. Either you understand Southpark, why warm beer is bad, and that soggy poutine-ruined french fries are disgusting or you do not. :1
I never said warm beer was good. I said that some beer need to be at certain temperature to get all the taste. Anyway, you can't understand since you drink Budlight Lime :P USA politics is a lot more interesting than Canada even if I don't really like politic. At least your vote means something. Canada sucks for this, you can vote whatever you want the result still almost the same...
11-04-2008, 11:35 PM
#43
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Re: We're Fucked ;-)
I just received this in my e-mail
I just received this, you will note, the author is not a weekend writer.
It is rather late in the game, but it still rings a very loud bell. I have irritated some by comparing Obama to Hitler & some of the other Fascist dictators we have experienced in the past. Unfortunately, I think all people think about when you mention Hitler is the Holocaust. That was only a very small part of his diabolical scheme to control the world.
Obama reminds me of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. Read it!
First and foremost, I hope he does not win. If he does win, then we will have to keep our wits and be strong to overrule what I expect his plan for the Country will be. If he wins, the worst scenario is some idiot shooting him. That in itself, will only cause a backlash unlike anything this Nation has ever experienced.
Barack Obama, Fabian Socialist
By Jerry Bowyer
Barack Obama is a Fabian socialist. I should know; I was raised by one. My Grandfather worked as a union machinist for Ingersoll Rand during the day. In the evenings he tended bar and read books. After his funeral, I went back home and started working my way through his library, starting with T.W. Arnold's The Folklore of Capitalism. This was my introduction to the Fabian socialists.
Fabians believed in gradual nationalization of the economy through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away from the violent revolutionary socialists of their day, they thought that the only real way to effect "fundamental change" and "social justice" was through a mass movement of the working classes presided over by intellectual and cultural elites. Before TV it was stage plays, written by George Bernard Shaw and thousands of inferior "realist" playwrights dedicated to social change. John Cusack's character in Woody Allen's "Bullets Over Broadway" captures the movement rather well.
Arnold taught me to question everyone--my president, my priest and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn't supposed to question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That's the Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what might be.
That's Obama's world.
He's telling the truth when he says that he doesn't agree with Bill Ayers' violent bombing tactics, but it's a tactical disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you've got Saul Alinski?
So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze, personalize and polarize an industry, probably health care. It will attempt to nationalize one-fifth of the US economy through legislative action. They will focus, as Lenin did, on the "commanding heights" of the economy, not the little guy.
As Obama said, "the smallest" businesses will be exempt from fines for not "doing the right thing" in offering employer-based health care coverage. Health will not be nationalized in one fell swoop; they have been studying the failures of Hillary Care. Instead, a parallel system will be created, funded by surcharges on business payroll, which will be superior to many private plans.
The old system will be forced to subsidize the new system and there will be a gradual shift from the former to the latter. The only coercion will be the fines, not the participation. A middle-class entitlement will have been created.
It may not be health care first; it might be energy, though I suspect that energy will be nationalized much more gradually. The offshore drilling ban that was allowed to lapse legislatively will be reinstated through executive means. It may be an executive order, but might just as well be a permit reviewing system that theoretically allows drilling but with endless levels of objection and appeal from anti-growth groups. Wind and solar, on the other hand, will have no permitting problems at all, and a heavy taxpayer subsidy at their backs.
The banking system has already been partially nationalized. Bush and Paulson intend for their share purchases to be only non-voting preferred shares, but the law does not specify that. How hard will it be for Obama, new holder of $700 billion in bank equity, to demand "accountability" and a "voice" for the taxpayers?
The capital markets are not freezing up now, mostly because of what has happened, although community organizers’ multidecade push for affirmative-action mortgages has done enormous harm to the credit system. Markets are forward looking.
A quick review of the socialist takeovers in Venezuela in 1999, Spain in 2004 and Italy in 2006 show the same pattern—equity markets do most of their plummeting before the Chavez's of the world take power. Investors anticipate the policy shift in advance; that's their job.
It's not just equity markets, though; debt markets do the same thing. Everywhere I turn I hear complaints about bankers "hoarding" capital. "Hoarding" is a word we've heard often from violent socialists like Lenin and Mao. We also hear it from the democratic left as we did during the 1930s in America. The banks, we're told, are greedy and miserly, holding onto capital that should be deployed into the marketplace.
Well, which is it, miserly or greedy? They're not the same thing. Banks make money borrowing low and lending high. In fact, they can borrow very, very low right now, as they could during the Great Depression.
So why don't they lend? Because socialism is a very unkind environment for lenders. Some of the most powerful members of Congress are speaking openly about repudiating mortgage covenants. Local officials have already done so by simply refusing to foreclose on highly delinquent borrowers. Then, there's the oldest form of debt repudiation, inflation. Even if you get your money back, it will not be worth anything. Who would want to lend in an environment like this?
Will Obama's be the strong-man socialism of a Chavez, or the soft socialism that Clement Atlee used to defeat Churchill after WWII? I don't know, but I suspect something kind of in between. Despite right-wing predictions that we won't see Rush shut down by Fairness Doctrine fascists. We won't see Baptist ministers hauled off in handcuffs for anti-sodomy sermons. It will more likely be a matter of paperwork. Strong worded letters from powerful lawyers in and out of government to program directors and general mangers of radio stations. Ominous references to license renewal.
The psychic propaganda assault will be powerful. The cyber-brown-shirts will spew hate, the union guys will flood talk shows with switchboard-collapsing swarms of complaint calls aimed at those hosts who "go beyond the pale" in their criticisms of Obama. In concert with pop culture outlets like The Daily Show and SNL, Obama will use his podium to humiliate and demonize those of us who don't want to come together and heal the planet.
You've heard of the bully pulpit, right? Well, then get ready, because you're about to see the bully part
I just received this, you will note, the author is not a weekend writer.
It is rather late in the game, but it still rings a very loud bell. I have irritated some by comparing Obama to Hitler & some of the other Fascist dictators we have experienced in the past. Unfortunately, I think all people think about when you mention Hitler is the Holocaust. That was only a very small part of his diabolical scheme to control the world.
Obama reminds me of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. Read it!
First and foremost, I hope he does not win. If he does win, then we will have to keep our wits and be strong to overrule what I expect his plan for the Country will be. If he wins, the worst scenario is some idiot shooting him. That in itself, will only cause a backlash unlike anything this Nation has ever experienced.
Barack Obama, Fabian Socialist
By Jerry Bowyer
Barack Obama is a Fabian socialist. I should know; I was raised by one. My Grandfather worked as a union machinist for Ingersoll Rand during the day. In the evenings he tended bar and read books. After his funeral, I went back home and started working my way through his library, starting with T.W. Arnold's The Folklore of Capitalism. This was my introduction to the Fabian socialists.
Fabians believed in gradual nationalization of the economy through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away from the violent revolutionary socialists of their day, they thought that the only real way to effect "fundamental change" and "social justice" was through a mass movement of the working classes presided over by intellectual and cultural elites. Before TV it was stage plays, written by George Bernard Shaw and thousands of inferior "realist" playwrights dedicated to social change. John Cusack's character in Woody Allen's "Bullets Over Broadway" captures the movement rather well.
Arnold taught me to question everyone--my president, my priest and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn't supposed to question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That's the Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what might be.
That's Obama's world.
He's telling the truth when he says that he doesn't agree with Bill Ayers' violent bombing tactics, but it's a tactical disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you've got Saul Alinski?
So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze, personalize and polarize an industry, probably health care. It will attempt to nationalize one-fifth of the US economy through legislative action. They will focus, as Lenin did, on the "commanding heights" of the economy, not the little guy.
As Obama said, "the smallest" businesses will be exempt from fines for not "doing the right thing" in offering employer-based health care coverage. Health will not be nationalized in one fell swoop; they have been studying the failures of Hillary Care. Instead, a parallel system will be created, funded by surcharges on business payroll, which will be superior to many private plans.
The old system will be forced to subsidize the new system and there will be a gradual shift from the former to the latter. The only coercion will be the fines, not the participation. A middle-class entitlement will have been created.
It may not be health care first; it might be energy, though I suspect that energy will be nationalized much more gradually. The offshore drilling ban that was allowed to lapse legislatively will be reinstated through executive means. It may be an executive order, but might just as well be a permit reviewing system that theoretically allows drilling but with endless levels of objection and appeal from anti-growth groups. Wind and solar, on the other hand, will have no permitting problems at all, and a heavy taxpayer subsidy at their backs.
The banking system has already been partially nationalized. Bush and Paulson intend for their share purchases to be only non-voting preferred shares, but the law does not specify that. How hard will it be for Obama, new holder of $700 billion in bank equity, to demand "accountability" and a "voice" for the taxpayers?
The capital markets are not freezing up now, mostly because of what has happened, although community organizers’ multidecade push for affirmative-action mortgages has done enormous harm to the credit system. Markets are forward looking.
A quick review of the socialist takeovers in Venezuela in 1999, Spain in 2004 and Italy in 2006 show the same pattern—equity markets do most of their plummeting before the Chavez's of the world take power. Investors anticipate the policy shift in advance; that's their job.
It's not just equity markets, though; debt markets do the same thing. Everywhere I turn I hear complaints about bankers "hoarding" capital. "Hoarding" is a word we've heard often from violent socialists like Lenin and Mao. We also hear it from the democratic left as we did during the 1930s in America. The banks, we're told, are greedy and miserly, holding onto capital that should be deployed into the marketplace.
Well, which is it, miserly or greedy? They're not the same thing. Banks make money borrowing low and lending high. In fact, they can borrow very, very low right now, as they could during the Great Depression.
So why don't they lend? Because socialism is a very unkind environment for lenders. Some of the most powerful members of Congress are speaking openly about repudiating mortgage covenants. Local officials have already done so by simply refusing to foreclose on highly delinquent borrowers. Then, there's the oldest form of debt repudiation, inflation. Even if you get your money back, it will not be worth anything. Who would want to lend in an environment like this?
Will Obama's be the strong-man socialism of a Chavez, or the soft socialism that Clement Atlee used to defeat Churchill after WWII? I don't know, but I suspect something kind of in between. Despite right-wing predictions that we won't see Rush shut down by Fairness Doctrine fascists. We won't see Baptist ministers hauled off in handcuffs for anti-sodomy sermons. It will more likely be a matter of paperwork. Strong worded letters from powerful lawyers in and out of government to program directors and general mangers of radio stations. Ominous references to license renewal.
The psychic propaganda assault will be powerful. The cyber-brown-shirts will spew hate, the union guys will flood talk shows with switchboard-collapsing swarms of complaint calls aimed at those hosts who "go beyond the pale" in their criticisms of Obama. In concert with pop culture outlets like The Daily Show and SNL, Obama will use his podium to humiliate and demonize those of us who don't want to come together and heal the planet.
You've heard of the bully pulpit, right? Well, then get ready, because you're about to see the bully part
11-04-2008, 11:52 PM
#45
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Re: We're Fucked ;-)
You wouldn't believe the dumb 
at work who have never voted who went and voted for Obama. One woman was like I was about to cry when I was voting thinking you go Obama. WTF you dumb asses, yes let's vote just because he's black.
at work who have never voted who went and voted for Obama. One woman was like I was about to cry when I was voting thinking you go Obama. WTF you dumb asses, yes let's vote just because he's black.
11-04-2008, 11:58 PM
#46
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Re: We're Fucked ;-)
Having lived equal halves of my life in both Canada and the USA, I will say I will take current US health care over this ------- joke here in Canada any day. I almost died in the hospital waiting in ER last Nov. with a burst appendix.
About 4 years prior to that I shattered collar bone, part of sticking out by my neck, and sat in ER for 6 hours, bleeding all over the floor, when they finally got to me my muscles were far too inflamed for any sort of operation unless I was prepared to LOSE (have them remove) virtually all the muscle between my should and neck. Oh and to boot when they xrayed they missed the broken ribs I earned in the same incident
And I have more Canadian ER horror stories from my own personal experiences but I am far too lazy to type all of them up here.
Oh yeah and Canada is ------- commie. No two ways about it, the wastecoast is just that, a waste. But the climate is peachy
If Obama becomes pres, I wouldn't rule out a presidential asassination in the next 4 years.
About 4 years prior to that I shattered collar bone, part of sticking out by my neck, and sat in ER for 6 hours, bleeding all over the floor, when they finally got to me my muscles were far too inflamed for any sort of operation unless I was prepared to LOSE (have them remove) virtually all the muscle between my should and neck. Oh and to boot when they xrayed they missed the broken ribs I earned in the same incident
And I have more Canadian ER horror stories from my own personal experiences but I am far too lazy to type all of them up here.
Oh yeah and Canada is ------- commie. No two ways about it, the wastecoast is just that, a waste. But the climate is peachy
If Obama becomes pres, I wouldn't rule out a presidential asassination in the next 4 years.
