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don`t we? AFAIK US is the only major contry that allow guns with ease.

One thing i would like to point out is that, theres people mention how student should be allow to carry guns to school in order to protect themself is just plain stupid. We are not in the cow-boy era anymore, this is not a society where you just walk up and kill the ----------er who shot you.

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It's the price of freedom Donald.

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No. No we don't.

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We might not be in the cowboy era, but we ARE in the crazy wacked out nutjob tweeker era which IMO is much worse. You can sit there screaming with your hands in the air while some fucked up pyscho pops off rounds at your head and I'll be using your skinny asian ass as a shield while I return fire. In the end we will see who had the better idea about guns in class. :6
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No, we just need less stupid people with guns. If someone is going to get a gun to kill someone, they will get it legally or illegally. It really doesn't matter to them because ----, half of them commit suicide or know they are already committing a crime. why control the people who don't need to be controlled. You can't control the ones who need to be controlled no matter how hard you try.

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i dont really care about gun laws, i will always have guns. mostly fo hunting ducks, deer, etc.

one theory is: if everyone had a gun...everyone....the crime rates would plummit. makes sense in that, a criminal wouldn't want to rob/kill someone if they knew their victim was packin heat. IMO, doesnt make much sense to me, if you really wanted to kill someone, you'd do it, regardless.

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:6

Taking away the right to arms is against the constitution, and damnit it's my right to bear arms. :7

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The entire world can get guns illegally with ease. The US has laws against certain persons owning/purchasing fire arms, what more do you want? You can't legislate against the nut-jobs, that is just impossible.

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Donald, say what you've gotta say now. When I become President I'm gonna sign a bill that will make it illegal for timid asians to voice their opinions. :6

The day America outlaws guns, we'll also outlaw Asians from driving cars. You know which law will save more lives? Yeah, now go back to eating your poo ping, gooker.

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poo ping ching chong meaw gookie, FTW!!!

stealhmode 4 prez, chea :y

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Just to spite you, I just went gun shopping. They didn't have what I was looking for, but they will be getting some new ones in the next couple days so I'll be back. I bought a bunch of ammo instead. :6

I'm going to time my transaction, too. From the time I walk into the shop to the time I walk out with my new gun. AMERICA! ---- YEAH! :6
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I hate being under 21. :7

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Can't you still buy from a 3rd party?

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So if we all carry guns and just smoke them when they try something eventually they all be dead.

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Someone just quoted me and posted on HT. :D I guess I can't have fun on the internet anymore. :'(

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The biggest crimes in America was carried out with gasoline and box cutters.

(im just quoting Rush)

Donald. Your retarded.

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if it's not guns, it'll be knives, or spearguns. Or something else.

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There is too many guns in the US to try and control it or fix the problem now.Unfortunetly Canada use to have very little gun crime but the pot smugglers figured out that handguns are very profitable to smuggle back instead of cocaine so now we are starting to have a problem too >:(

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Use both hands, it really help keep your aim straight

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What problem?

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guns dont kill people, dangerous minorities do :y

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Honestly if anything more people should have guns. Then 1 person would have been killed not 32. :y

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freedom vs safety. this country is saying ---- freedom, lets make everything illegal.

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Ding.... Much like purchasing private property, building a bar, and having the government tell you you can't smoke there. Smokers= criminals. Guns, criminals, driving an suv, criminal, flying the flag, criminal...... just wait.

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That is a very good point. Guns for everybody!!!

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i dint read all the post but my opinion is that if there should be any new gun laws, there should be one that if you not a citizen of the US or if you weren't born in the US legally, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun..... criminals are going to find a way to get weapon to hurt people even if we outlawed guns in the US. they are still going to find ways to get ----..you don't even need a gun. anybody can go up to home depot and buy ---- to make a pipe bomb its not that hard( i have made a couple myself for fun)....if they want a way to hurt people they will find a way.....im for guns, i have a bunch at my house(pistols, rifles, shotguns and even a spear gun... i be damed if im going to let someone take my weapons away....

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I keep my gun closer to me than my wallet.

Donald, its states like Cali. and places like VT that are so called "gun free zones" where ---- usually goes down because the perpitrator knows that no one there other than security or cops will have a gun.

If you ask me every state should adopt the" rite to cary" law. Usualy people who are willing to submit to a full backgroung check and give up their fingerprints dont have anything to hide and are most likely not going to go out and commit mass murder. If one person in that building would of been carrying I think things might of been a little different :-\

I cant belive that people still blame guns for ---- like this. :3

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You know why your statement is among the stupidest statements ever made by humans? Because, weather or not it's illegal for you to have a gun, Donald, If I was a criminal, I'd have one no matter what. So you have a choice to make, Donald. Do you choose to give up your right to protect yourself so I can shoot you defenseless and clean in the chest, or would you rather at least have the opportunity to defend yourself? Because beleive me Donald, legal or not, If I want a gun, I WILL get one. So, man up, and get your gun license... Or be at my mercy.

You live your life -- just keep your scared ideals to yourself. It's unfortunate, but too many people in power listen to damn minority opinions, and it's ruining the country. Those aren't KIDS. Those are COLLEGE students. If they are 21, why the hell can't they exercise the same rights the rest of us can? Yeah. Exactly. It's stupid. The kids are in college, not jail. They don't need more 'prison' guards, they need their rights, and to be left the hell alone.

...----... I don't want the king of england busting down MY door.
Matt

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If guns are no longer accessible as easy as they are now, there will be less DEADLY crime. Why? Because not that many weapon kill as quick as guns, and people do not DIE as quick as getting shot by guns. Take a big knife, stab someone in the head, then feed a bullet into another then see which one died quicker. This Korean guy actually walked into a gun store, bought the guns on the counter and killed that many people, yet none of you see where the problem is at? Yet you will be saying how he could have bought the guns through someone else, but is it going to be as easy? Do you guys really think such an ordinary guy could have known someone who sells guns as easy? What about all those school shooting where kids got their hand on parents guns? Parents ARE the ones to blame but it might not have happen as OFTEN as it is.

I am not saying once fire arms are under heavier control then gun flow will be zero and no one will be dieing from getting shot at. I came from Hong Kong where the gun system is pretty much like UK, there are still gun flows in gangs and people still rob with guns, but the chance are far less likely and there are far less crime involve fire arms. Yes, those who REALLY wanted to commit a crime will and can eventually get their hands on guns but it will not be as easy as it is now.
I agree that no law can be kept to an absolute but it could at least minimize the chance of fatal shootings. Australia and a few other country use to allow as much guns as the US does but after a similar shooting incident, they actually ban gun usage among public and crime rate involving guns has been keep on dropping ever since.

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Here is my problem with gun control........
Liberal hippie freaks want to ban us U.S.A. citizens from having them, and when the stinky hippies start with that, it will be just a mater of time before they put somthing else up for tighter control, like steak knives, and forks, matches, gasoline, and before we know it we will be a Communist country. Not saying that they should have any looser laws about guns, but definatly dont take them from us. Its kinda hard to shoot and hit your taget when you hold your gun sideways. I think that all people should have guns, Just be a better shot than them. Practice, just like driving. Teach it in school, and dont make guns out to be a wepon they are tools, just like a ratchet. The media hypes everything up and it makes guns look bad.



Here is my example......
I didnt live in the best area, White Center (NOT SO CENTERED AND NOT SO WHITE!!!) A town south of Seattle

One night at at about 2:00am Some guy tried to break into our house, We told him that we were gona call the cops, did it stop him? NO!! He continued to try and Kick in our front door, So we called the 911, they said that they woould be right there......... After about 2 min. of him trying to break in he gave up and ran off, The cops showed up 2 HOURES later

us: WTF WHERE WERE U GUYS????
cop: we were busy.....
us: What would we do if he had a gun and started shooting at us?
cop: Shoot back
us: We dont have a gun
cop: GET ONE!!!
us: O.K.!!!!!!

Now I have a collection of guns..... 20+ My favorite piece of Identification is my concealed wepons permit.

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you have a good idea but thats not going to change the fact that criminals will get there hands on a gun somewhere....to be its just like drugs..the US spends millions of dollers, hundreds of people on trying to stop the drug trade....but you can still get druge about anytime that you want too...i can call right now and have a Qp by 5:00...putting strictur laws only effects the law obeying people......i can see how it can effect aust b/c they are isolated by ocean....the US you can traffic through mexico, canada, cuba, ect.....

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I like peoples defense of "Well they are going to get around it anyway, so why bother?"

So, do you guys lock your car at night? Do you have an alarm? Do you lock your doors to your home? Do you wear a condom when ------- a slut you pick up at the bar? Do you run a firewall on your computer? Everyday people take preventative measures to increase their safety. Gun control is simply attempting to do the same thing. It is not to keep guns away from people who will do the right thing with them, its an attempt to keep guns out of those who do not deserve them. It will never be full proof or perfect, but its an attempt. Overtime gun control has proven itself to reduce gun crimes. Its a system that works on some level. Why you guys need a gun immediately and can't wait 20 days is beyond me.

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the defense of criminals are going to get around it, is true. because a criminal, will get around it and get whatever they want to do what they want. they dont have any restrictions like the law because, they're ------- criminals. background checks aren't deep enough in my opinion but ---- it, let this country become a god damned dictatorship like the liberals want it to be.

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Guns have been sold over the counter for years and this is one of the few isolated instances where someone has used the gun that they bought legally to mass murder people. There is no telling what people are capable of. That guy passed an FBI background check in order to recieve the guns after he payed for them. He was clean so he got them. Now this guy had also planned to and buildt bombs. He was going to kill people no matter what. Hell, I'm pretty shure if he had walked in there with two machetes or Japanese swords he would of killed allmost as many people. People are fucked and there is no doubt about that. But you cant spend your life in fear.

I agree that parents need to step up and play their role as responsable parents. That is one of the reasons our kids are a bucnh of mindless slackers.

But still I rather die with a gun in my hand than with piss in my pants.

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You can't make guns disappear, they'll ALWAYS be around.

Making them illegal won't do ----, they'll still be around.

Should just stay the way it is.

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People WITH guns are citizens

People WITHOUT guns are subjects

the writers of the us constitution knew this, that is why the second amendment exists.

england has a complete ban on all firearms, how well is that working for them?

http://www.claytoncramer.com/Britain.pdf

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I didn't even read this thread, but if any of you think gun control will stop things like this from happening you are complete ------- morons. Example... Have any of you seen the movie Demolition Man? That's exactly the kind of ---- that would happen. They didn't have guns, but yet somebody still found a way to get guns and kill people. Things like this will always happen no matter what, there's nothing we can do to stop it. The only thing we can do is find a way to pretect everybody when it does happen. Oh and this VA tech school shooting? It could have easily been stopped if they had armed security guards or if one person other than the shooter had a gun, but since it was a "gun free" zone he had free reign to mass murder all the people he wanted, and he did... I hope all you gun control -----'s ------- die, you stupid mother fuckers don't have a clue. The only thing gun free zones and gun control every does is make places more dangerous for normal americans and helps all the criminals, because they don't give a ---- about the law.

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Britain has a ban on all guns bar those used for either sport or vermin control.

This ban includes handguns, which are only ever used to kill other people. Since the ban, there has been an increase in gun related crime. However, there is still significantly less then you get within the US. The only major gun crime is drug dealers shooting at other drug dealers and taking out a few bystanders once in a while.

Its incredibly rare and i feel safe walking the streets without carrying a weapon. Our police force don't carry guns.

fwiw, the skinny geeky kids who perpetrate these spree killings would never stand a chance if they were to try and source a gun illegally. They just wouldn't know the right people. And i doubt any bomb would kill as many people as one idiot armed to the teeth can take out.

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yea but how big is Great Britain? thats like comparing tx with the rest of the US, of course they are going to have less gun violence b/c they have a smaller population....
also its easier to keep out stuff b/c they are on a island unlike the US..the US is just too big to stop the black market....