updates on my dad
#1
updates on my dad
basically they want to send my dad to a prison in indiana where he cant make phone calls in arabic.. and hes housed in a cell with 46 other sand ------s and the govt claims it has nothing to do with my dad being arabic
no phone calls in arabic, limited calls, huge room full of 46 other sand ------s.. where they are searched daily...
my lawyer claims cruel and unusual.. the govt says its fair because they need to monitor my dad
article claims my dad was sentenced to 12 years... when infact he was sentenced to about 7
just put a temp block on my dads transfer to the jail.. lol cant wait for appeal
http://www.miamiherald.com/775/story/525773.html
no phone calls in arabic, limited calls, huge room full of 46 other sand ------s.. where they are searched daily...
my lawyer claims cruel and unusual.. the govt says its fair because they need to monitor my dad
article claims my dad was sentenced to 12 years... when infact he was sentenced to about 7
just put a temp block on my dads transfer to the jail.. lol cant wait for appeal
http://www.miamiherald.com/775/story/525773.html
By CURT ANDERSON
AP Legal Affairs Writer
MIAMI -- A man convicted along with one-time "dirty bomb" suspect Jose Padilla of supporting al-Qaida wants a federal judge to block the government from sending him to a prison unit where his telephone calls, mail and visitors would be closely monitored.
A lawyer for Kifah Wael Jayyousi, 46, claims that the Communications Management Unit at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind., amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment" and that his inclusion in that unit is discriminatory because it is based partly on his Muslim faith and Arab ethnicity.
Jayyousi is "due to be transferred at any time to this unlawful place of confinement, where he will suffer irreparable harm," attorney William Swor said in court documents filed this week.
Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Traci Billingsley said Thursday that Jayyousi's religion or ethnicity have nothing to do with the designation at the unit that currently houses 46 inmates. Having all the inmates in one unit ensures that no communication is slipped out by a prisoner not subject to the restrictions.
"They are placed in the unit because their communications need to be closely monitored," Billingsley said.
U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke, who presided over the trial last year of Padilla, Jayyousi and Adham Amin Hassoun, issued an order Tuesday temporarily preventing the U.S. Bureau of Prisons from transferring Jayyousi from Miami. Cooke scheduled a hearing May 22 on the matter.
The three men were convicted in August of charges they were part of a North American support cell that provided money, recruits and material to al-Qaida and other Islamic extremist groups. Prosecutors said Jayyousi was the cell's propagandist and financier in its early years. He was sentenced to more than 12 years behind bars.
Jayyousi wanted to do his time at a prison near his home in Detroit. But on April 30, he learned that he was going to the Indiana institution and that he would be placed in the special unit "to protect the safety, security and orderly operation of (prisons) facilities, and protect the public," court documents show.
The unit's restrictions include live monitoring and recording of all phone calls unless they are with an inmate's lawyers. Calls must be made in English unless arrangements are made to have a government translator present, and all visits with family and friends are also monitored. Every piece of mail is reviewed.
In most federal prisons, there is far less monitoring of inmates, other languages can be spoken on phone calls and visits are less restricted.
In his motion, Swor argued that Jayyousi is no threat, pointing out that the naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Jordan is a U.S. Navy veteran who in the past held security clearances for military installations. Jayyousi also was a top schools administrator in Detroit and Washington, D.C., in positions of trust over thousands of children.
"At no time has Dr. Jayyousi been accused of abusing that trust," Swor said in court papers, adding that Jayyousi was free on bail for 13 months before and during his trial.
Cooke said when she sentenced Jayyousi that trial evidence showed he had ceased involvement with Islamic extremist causes in 1998 and that he is "the kind of neighbor that people would want in a community."
Padilla, 37, is serving his time at the nation's highest-security federal prison in Florence, Colo., while the 46-year-old Hassoun has been designated for a prison in Marion, Ill., according to his lawyer.
Padilla, a U.S. citizen and Muslim convert, was held for 3 1/2 years as an enemy combatant after his May 2002 arrest at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on suspicion of plotting to set off a radioactive "dirty bomb." Amid legal challenges to his continued detention without charge, the Justice Department in late 2005 added Padilla to an existing Miami terror support case and the dirty bomb allegations were dropped.
Cooke sentenced Padilla to more than 17 years in prison and Hassoun to more than 15 years. All three defendants are appealing their convictions and sentences, and the Justice Department is also appealing the sentences as too lenient.
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AP Legal Affairs Writer
MIAMI -- A man convicted along with one-time "dirty bomb" suspect Jose Padilla of supporting al-Qaida wants a federal judge to block the government from sending him to a prison unit where his telephone calls, mail and visitors would be closely monitored.
A lawyer for Kifah Wael Jayyousi, 46, claims that the Communications Management Unit at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind., amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment" and that his inclusion in that unit is discriminatory because it is based partly on his Muslim faith and Arab ethnicity.
Jayyousi is "due to be transferred at any time to this unlawful place of confinement, where he will suffer irreparable harm," attorney William Swor said in court documents filed this week.
Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Traci Billingsley said Thursday that Jayyousi's religion or ethnicity have nothing to do with the designation at the unit that currently houses 46 inmates. Having all the inmates in one unit ensures that no communication is slipped out by a prisoner not subject to the restrictions.
"They are placed in the unit because their communications need to be closely monitored," Billingsley said.
U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke, who presided over the trial last year of Padilla, Jayyousi and Adham Amin Hassoun, issued an order Tuesday temporarily preventing the U.S. Bureau of Prisons from transferring Jayyousi from Miami. Cooke scheduled a hearing May 22 on the matter.
The three men were convicted in August of charges they were part of a North American support cell that provided money, recruits and material to al-Qaida and other Islamic extremist groups. Prosecutors said Jayyousi was the cell's propagandist and financier in its early years. He was sentenced to more than 12 years behind bars.
Jayyousi wanted to do his time at a prison near his home in Detroit. But on April 30, he learned that he was going to the Indiana institution and that he would be placed in the special unit "to protect the safety, security and orderly operation of (prisons) facilities, and protect the public," court documents show.
The unit's restrictions include live monitoring and recording of all phone calls unless they are with an inmate's lawyers. Calls must be made in English unless arrangements are made to have a government translator present, and all visits with family and friends are also monitored. Every piece of mail is reviewed.
In most federal prisons, there is far less monitoring of inmates, other languages can be spoken on phone calls and visits are less restricted.
In his motion, Swor argued that Jayyousi is no threat, pointing out that the naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Jordan is a U.S. Navy veteran who in the past held security clearances for military installations. Jayyousi also was a top schools administrator in Detroit and Washington, D.C., in positions of trust over thousands of children.
"At no time has Dr. Jayyousi been accused of abusing that trust," Swor said in court papers, adding that Jayyousi was free on bail for 13 months before and during his trial.
Cooke said when she sentenced Jayyousi that trial evidence showed he had ceased involvement with Islamic extremist causes in 1998 and that he is "the kind of neighbor that people would want in a community."
Padilla, 37, is serving his time at the nation's highest-security federal prison in Florence, Colo., while the 46-year-old Hassoun has been designated for a prison in Marion, Ill., according to his lawyer.
Padilla, a U.S. citizen and Muslim convert, was held for 3 1/2 years as an enemy combatant after his May 2002 arrest at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on suspicion of plotting to set off a radioactive "dirty bomb." Amid legal challenges to his continued detention without charge, the Justice Department in late 2005 added Padilla to an existing Miami terror support case and the dirty bomb allegations were dropped.
Cooke sentenced Padilla to more than 17 years in prison and Hassoun to more than 15 years. All three defendants are appealing their convictions and sentences, and the Justice Department is also appealing the sentences as too lenient.
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Re: updates on my dad
not trying to be a dick or anything, but in texas we have whats called ucc. its basically designed to make sure you are housed with compatible people. like you cant house a 4 foot 100 pound white girl with a 6 foot 300 pound black girl. its not so much based on crime or race, but more about who your dad can be housed with easiest without causing any problems. as for housing him with all sand ------s, well i dont know. but i know becuase of gang problems, we house a lot of mexicans in one dorm on my unit. just becuase they cuase less problems when they are all together. and as for being monitered more closely, you dad has very few rights anymore. they can moniter him as close as possible and you will never have a solid case on it. and he can be strip searched as often as an officer thinks he needs to be, unless he is being singled out every single time. there are certain inmates that i know are trying to sneak ---- around, so i radio ahead after they are out of earshot to have them strip searched before they enter the dorm. its a safety thing no matter how you look at it. he does have his rights to correspondence though. unless he is sending an illegal message or gang related stuff, they shouldnt be taking his letters away. that you might actually have a case on. if you have any other question, ask me and i can try to explain how it works.
#5
Re: updates on my dad
Originally Posted by Sinner
i never read the long thread about yoru dad? what did he do, hoenstly? give the the 30 second A.D.D version
#6
Re: updates on my dad
Originally Posted by jagojon3
When's the last time you saw him?
(i make the rules :P)
i cant afford to take time off work or the 250 dollar plane ticket.. 60 dollar car rental.. 80 dollar hotel.. its a ------- nightmare..
he writes to me alot but i dont have the ***** to write back.. i talk to him from time to time on the phone.. but its only a 15 minute phone call everyweek (really more like 10 minutes) so id rather have my sisters or my mom talk to him then me...
Originally Posted by RotaryGeek
not trying to be a dick or anything, but in texas we have whats called ucc. its basically designed to make sure you are housed with compatible people. like you cant house a 4 foot 100 pound white girl with a 6 foot 300 pound black girl. its not so much based on crime or race, but more about who your dad can be housed with easiest without causing any problems. as for housing him with all sand african americans, well i dont know. but i know becuase of gang problems, we house a lot of mexicans in one dorm on my unit. just becuase they cuase less problems when they are all together. and as for being monitered more closely, you dad has very few rights anymore. they can moniter him as close as possible and you will never have a solid case on it. and he can be strip searched as often as an officer thinks he needs to be, unless he is being singled out every single time. there are certain inmates that i know are trying to sneak ---- around, so i radio ahead after they are out of earshot to have them strip searched before they enter the dorm. its a safety thing no matter how you look at it. he does have his rights to correspondence though. unless he is sending an illegal message or gang related stuff, they shouldnt be taking his letters away. that you might actually have a case on. if you have any other question, ask me and i can try to explain how it works.
Originally Posted by Sinner
i never read the long thread about yoru dad? what did he do, hoenstly? give the the 30 second A.D.D version
on appeal my dad will be alone and the jury will only look at my dad so my dad will be aquitted..
#7
Re: updates on my dad
then again even a g1 inmate (trustie) can be treated the same as an ad. seg. inmate when it comes to how they are monitered. the law doesnt state how closely and why you can moniter (at least not in texas, you have to take everything im telling you lightly becuase laws change from state to state.) a certain inmate. all it says is that we can moniter there correspondence. it doesnt matter there classification at all. all inmates can be treating the same when it comes to mail. we have the right to read all mail, in or out, and if we suspect they are hiding contraband in there legal mail, we can "scan" through that too. but it all depends on the officers watching them and their ranking supervisors. besides that, no case is built in prison, meaning that pretty much nothing that is going on with your dad while he is in prison is going to effect his trial. that is as long as he stays out of trouble while being in. causing trouble can be a bad thing when it comes to trials.
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Re: updates on my dad
so i'm assuming more or less, he was hanging around with the wrong people who's radical islamic believes he didn't embrace, but didn't want to be a shitbag friend, and say hey i can't hang around you because you are hardcore? Pretty ------- silly they give him 7 or 12 years w/e.
that's the problem in the country, putting people in prison for the wrong ammount of time. Murders get off, but alleged conspirators get ------- whacked.
that's the problem in the country, putting people in prison for the wrong ammount of time. Murders get off, but alleged conspirators get ------- whacked.
#10
Re: updates on my dad
lol if it is anything like texas, they will let him serve most his time before they give him another trial. and now that im thinking of it, i dont think i have ever seen you say your dad is innocent. i have seen you say some stuff about bullshit charges, but never his innocence. or what he actually did for that matter. you got me wondering now buk. im giving him the benefit of the doubt just cuz he is your dad and you seem like a pretty cool guy, but it wouldnt hurt to lay it all straight for us.