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Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by JK_Motorsports
A flaw has has come up and has not been solved in the current models and now moving back toward past models.
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Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by JK_Motorsports
A flaw has has come up and has not been solved in the current models and now moving back toward past models.
so im driving around on somethign that could seriously ---- my car and myself up?? what the ----?? ??? how about instead of keeping this all hush-hush, you tell us what the ---- is wrong with teh product we paid good money for?? i dont feel like dying on account of you saving your business' ass... |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by ryan89crx
what?!?
so im driving around on somethign that could seriously ---- my car and myself up?? what the ----?? ??? how about instead of keeping this all hush-hush, you tell us what the ---- is wrong with teh product we paid good money for?? i dont feel like dying on account of you saving your business' ass... |
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You still live with your mom, in the basement of a trailer. You have zero credibility.
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Originally Posted by hot-----------ing-rex
amen to that you cocksuckers. heres what i said last night, apparently noone likes the ------- truth,
haha mike backpeddaling again. classic. pimple knows more than youd think. i had a nice 1 hr convo with noel and dave (csaddict) in person about this matter today, and needless to say hes still not satisfied with the solution youve offered him. we also agreed that noel should have never even ran those things in the first place, they are pretty insufficiently constructed. and why the ---- would you ever even think of including less than grade 8 bolts in a kit you know will take abuse, in a car where the traction bar is a structural piece of the suspension and could kill someone if they broke. you truely are a fuckign retard mike. you gonna cover the body and suspension damage too? how about issue a recall to all the poor sobs who might be next? maybe this willopen everyones eyes finally. and you can see that lsd miek really doesnt give a ---- about any of you, just your money, that was evident from day one when he used to send em waroped ass flanges deemed acceptable, so its no coincidence he would find these half assed traction bars acceptable too. i still cant get over the fact they put less than at LEAST grade 8 hardware in with a kit meant for an ef. mind boggling tisk mike. i urge everyone immediately to remove these peices of ---- before you hurt yourselves and others. \\\"retro ------ kit\\\" for jk motorsports bars after they broke---- 35 dollars hotrex telling it like it is once again but having it erased because its not in the best interests of lsd mike--- 3 dollars watching hotrex be right for the nth time about mikes shitty ------- product over and over----- priceless. say what you want , but ill fabricate circles around both of you faggots and you know it, and i seriously will pray for the people who already have your ---- on their cars, especially ef owners, i suggest everyone push for a full refund. ------ hacks. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I told Noel those bars would break when I saw them......Ryan look into getting something else. Bigger ball ends and a better control arm mount.
what REALLY pisses me off, is the fact that the seller and manufacturer both know there is a potentially fatal issue, yet the refuse to disclose the details to everyone that is actually running them. what kind of customer service is that? anyone want to buy a set of JK CRX bars? ::) |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by jagojon3
You still live with your mom, in the basement of a trailer. You have zero credibility.
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Originally Posted by turbohf
sure as ---- Josh Coleman cant ship ---- and can be an asshat thats why he is disliked and banned from HMT. but his manifolds have never fallen off a car. you have all seen his welds, they are solid, so i would say he does have creditability when judging others welding/craftsmanship.
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Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by sikcrx89
as far as the traction bars yes its wrong to keep production going on a potentially fatal design flaw but i hope the issue is worked out. the price he offers is great and yea full-race maybe better but not everyone here has an unlimited budget either. especially us EF guys.
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^ Manifolds I've seen from Josh have all cracked... and his welds suck honestly. Yuriys manifold is barely holding together half the time :1
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wtf are you talking about budget? you need traction bars? you need to stay alive? BUY THE FULL RACE BARS... not a hard choice, sure you will be eating cup a noodles for a couple weeks, but it aint too bad...
on an EF/CRX you NEED TO HAVE A SOLID TRACTION BAR SETUP or stock crossmemeber with good bushings PERIOD. its part of the suspension/chassis, its not something to be ------- around with. if that ---- breaks there is nothing holding the LCA in place!!!!! it will move back and hit the fender and ---- ---- UP... |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
I like my Z10 Engineering bars (they make EF bars as well...I have always thought about starting a Group Buy on them)...
They dont hand low like the other EF bars out there and they are a 2 bar (stiff) design with two mounting points (tow hooks & cross member with SOLID caster adjustment. Too bad you can never get Z10 on the phone when you call them >:( |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by ryan89crx
that doesnt mean we should wreck our cars and possibly die to save $150...
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Wow you guys are really late on this... I was preaching about the hardware a long while ago. when I snapped bolts on both sides at different times.
Originally Posted by jeef
You really should be running grade 8 hardhware in there too... I know b/c I've snapped a few bolts in my traction bars.
Originally Posted by jeef
One thing I've found out the hard way is to run grade 8 hardware where it mounts to the LCA, I was fortunate when my bolts snapped and was actaully going slow/not racing. That scares the ---- out of you though, ya know loosing steering and front wheel braking...
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Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by jeef
Wow you guys are really late on this... I was preaching about the hardware a long while ago. when I snapped bolts on both sides at different times.
could it be fixed by welding a loop back to the other mounting hole on the LCA? then you would have 2 grade 8 bolts to hold it together... |
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Has anyone else had any real problems with them, other than Noel?
I do think its shitty if they continued to knowingly sell defective products, that just shows no respect for your customers :3 |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by turbohf
wtf are you talking about budget? you need traction bars? you need to stay alive? BUY THE FULL RACE BARS... not a hard choice, sure you will be eating cup a noodles for a couple weeks, but it aint too bad...
on an EF/CRX you NEED TO HAVE A SOLID TRACTION BAR SETUP or stock crossmemeber with good bushings PERIOD. its part of the suspension/chassis, its not something to be ------- around with. if that ---- breaks there is nothing holding the LCA in place!!!!! it will move back and hit the fender and ---- ---- UP... no you shouldnt play with your life or the lives of others. cars can be replaced but you unfortunatly cannot. have a recall and fix the design!!!!! |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
I made traction bars for EG's for a while. Just like the Lakewoods ones. I looked into the EF style bars. I even made a set for my own CRX and took them off because I didnt feel they were safe enough. The best bet is a one piece machined saddle mount that uses the 2 mounting holes and a larger heim joint. I made a prototype a while back but I didnt feel comfortable putting something out I couldn't really quality test. If one of my manifolds crack it's not going to kill anyone. I couldn't live with myself if I build something structural and someone got hurt from it or worse.
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wow, this thread makes me think twice about installing the traction bar :-\.
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Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I made traction bars for EG's for a while. Just like the Lakewoods ones. I looked into the EF style bars. I even made a set for my own CRX and took them off because I didnt feel they were safe enough. The best bet is a one piece machined saddle mount that uses the 2 mounting holes and a larger heim joint. I made a prototype a while back but I didnt feel comfortable putting something out I couldn't really quality test. If one of my manifolds crack it's not going to kill anyone. I couldn't live with myself if I build something structural and someone got hurt from it or worse.
sorry to thread jack but did your order come in dave? |
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There's a reason ladder bars are designed with the loops around the rod end.
http://chassisengineering.com/products/879-l.jpg I am suprised that no company has offered this safety feature on their designs. Granted, again, they are not designed for stret use, but it would provide an extra margin of safety on a compnent so crucial to the stability of the front suspension. This isn't the first case of a, "race part," failing on a street car. I have seen an extremely underengineered lower control arm for 3rd gen f-bodies fail. Someone did an FEA on the desigh and it wasn't pretty to say the least. Personally, I had contemplated getting a set of these bars, but I could never find satisfactory information or pictures. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by sikcrx89
YES im on a budget considering i have a wife and child to pay for. YES i need bars,YES i want to stay alive and i would buy them but they are rediculacly overpriced!!!!
i realize that this is Homemadeturbo.com and that people here are cheap bitches (---- where you think i got my custom title from?) but YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.... some things in life you can cheap out on, some things you cant... always give it some good thought to make sure which ones are which, and look over the product (search) to make sure its the one you need (weather its the cheap POS, or the quality unit)... |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by turbohf
you get what you pay for... like me, i went to Walmart and bought a $35 DVD player...does it work? ehh sometimes it skips, freezes, is just a piece of ----... but at the end of the day its fucked up i cant watch Oceans 12 for the millionth time. not like a traction bar that falls apart on the freeway when im doing a 120mph pull or something... or a bullet proof vest that doesnt stop a bullet. a $250 SSAC turbo that only last 15k miles. or a Hyundai that last a couple years.......
i realize that this is Homemadeturbo.com and that people here are cheap bitches (---- where you think i got my custom title from?) but YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.... some things in life you can cheap out on, some things you cant... always give it some good thought to make sure which ones are which, and look over the product (search) to make sure its the one you need (weather its the cheap POS, or the quality unit)... |
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Full-Race traction bars are designed for road, drag race, or daily driven street cars. |
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Full race's offering...
Attachment 31282 JK's offering... Attachment 31283 Both pics stolen from hondahatertech. Thanks to those who took the pics. Anyway, the design looks pretty similar. The actual JK crossmember is a great piece. It looks very sturdy and mounts in multiple places. The radius rods are of a very sturdy design as well, without the aluminum that Full-Chafe is offering. Obviously, these rods simply need to eliminate movement to-and-fro, and avoid binding, while offering adjustability. Both designs do this. Now, the difference comes in when you talk about lower control arm attaching hardware. Full race's offering utilizes a 2-bolt bracket, whereas JK offers a one bolt bracket. JK had done extensive testing on the bracket he chose for the bars, and they had stood up to everything he threw at them. He was very confident in the ability of the bars to hold up to anything. I remember reading about this. Also, people have mentioned that the bolts supplied are grade 5 or lower. This shouldn't be an issue for anyone who understands torque values. I did a quick search to turn up some torque values for specific bolts. For those not familiar with bolt sizing, the first number is the actual diameter(minus about .006-.007" for the clearance to thread a nut on) of the fastener, whereas the second number is threads per inch... SAE Grade 5 SAE Grade 8 Dry Lubricated Dry Lubricated 1/4 - 20 8 6.3 12 9 1/4 - 28 10 7.2 14 10 5/16 - 18 17 13 24 18 5/16 - 24 19 14 27 20 3/8 - 16 30 23 45 35 3/8 - 24 35 25 50 35 7/16 - 14 50 35 70 50 7/16 - 20 55 40 80 60 1/2 - 13 75 55 110 80 1/2 - 20 85 65 120 90 9/16 - 12 110 80 150 110 9/16 - 18 120 90 170 130 5/8 - 11 150 110 210 160 5/8 - 18 170 130 240 180 3/4 - 10 260 200 380 280 3/4 - 16 300 220 420 310 7/8 - 9 430 320 600 450 7/8 - 14 470 350 670 500 1 - 8 640 480 910 680 1 - 14 720 540 1,020 760 I'm not familiar with the size either uses for bolts, but you can see a rather large difference in torque values from grade5 to grade8, not to mention the dry/lubed values. I really see NO problem with the choice of hardware, as far as I can tell, when torqued correctly. However when someone gets all "he-man" on them, they'll snap. Torque(foot pounds) is an approximate amount of rotary force to get about the right preload for the bolt not to loosen up. I would have picked up one of JK's bars if I had not found the jimfab set. If you want some "extra" piece of mind, go spend a few bucks on some grade8 hardware. Go to the hardware store. They've got lots of stuff to pick from. Seriously. -josh- |
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The above picture is even old. No longer do we make the 1bolt design.
I would like to state: "I did not know that the design was flawed" Read my post before. I had run these traction bar on my own car, researched them, tested them and came up with the final design. I was not knowingly making a product that could break, that would be stupid for the business and completely pointless if I wanted the name to carry. And it was not the actual bar that was breaking, hardware was the weakness. As soon as the first problem arose we went back to work. LCA bracket were redesign to plase less stress on the hiems, Class 10.9 bolts were purchaced, and 17,000lb(the same or higher rating then others) Cromoly hiems were source compared to the previous 12,000lb Alloy Steel. All those who are worried of their bars being unsafe will be contacted of you have the older design. |
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The l-con bars *had* the same problem on the Ef's. They had a 2 bolt bracket, but he made them out of aluminum. After hearing about someone breaking one (from another retailer), I just told people that they didn't fit EF's. The EG's and EK's never had an issue. I think maybe a stiffer set of bushings would be the right way to go on the EF's.
Hotrex, how's that manifold business going, faggot. :D |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by JK_Motorsports
A flaw has has come up and has not been solved in the current models and now moving back toward past models. As far anyone who stated we knew about a fatal flaw and kept on selling them, you make me feel like we are in 3rd grade and the old rumor that was whispered in 1 persons ear at one end of the table is completely different from what the final person at the other end of the table heard. Not pointing fingers at anyone because i can totally understand how it would happen, but anyone who knows me knows that i take customer service very seriously as well maintaining quality products. JK Motorsports has worked with us to improve their products strength, affordability and appearance, all which have had a lot of time put into them already, and that is what we like to see. Tomorrow we will be contact via email and through forums with everyone with the old design. Feel free to email us or pm us before then and we will be happy to get your current shipping information to get you the proper parts. For those who have made educated and unbiased comments, in favor or against the bars, I will say thanks once again and I as well as others do appreciate your input. |
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And if anyone wants to sell thier bars really cheap to me, I'll rock the sumbitches.
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before this thread started I was thinking about adding onto my bars just too use bolth bolts on the LCA. Theirs a huge thread on HT about the LCon bars and people were just welding them too the car :6
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been rocking mine for well over a year and have yet to break anything, i did replace the bolts with grade 8 and have to tighten them periodically, other than that, no issues.
its interesting though how fast people jump on the bandwagon when one person has a problem with them. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by JK_Motorsports
The above picture is even old. No longer do we make the 1bolt design.
why was it that LSD told me it was taking forever to ship because i was getting the "New" design and it was still being fabricated...yet mine only has 1 bolt on the LCA? |
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i just wanted to say thank you to Mike (LSD Motorsports). there are only a few people/companies if not any who would have offered to help out in anyway possible like Mike has. i understand that this is not entirely his fault, and just by doing what he said he would do for me, shows what a great business man he really is.
i have bought products from Mike in the past and will continue buying products from him in the future. he is one of a short list of sellers/companies who are not out there to just make a quick buck, and ---- you over if the times comes around. i did not want to turn this into a big matter, but people do have the right to know. again thank you Mike for your help in the matter. Noel |
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And all ends well. JK you did miswrite. Read back. Mike comes through in the clutch. Like always.
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Making after market parts for cars does make you liable if they're found to have failed and caused injury or death.
Its why i'd never make anything which is either forms an integral part of the chassis, or any braking component. Its a very dodgy area and no disclaimer on this planet will protect you if someone dies after your home made component fails. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by LSD Motorsports
I think you made a mistake and you meant to say the flaw was solved in the current models.
As far anyone who stated we knew about a fatal flaw and kept on selling them, you make me feel like we are in 3rd grade and the old rumor that was whispered in 1 persons ear at one end of the table is completely different from what the final person at the other end of the table heard. Not pointing fingers at anyone because i can totally understand how it would happen, but anyone who knows me knows that i take customer service very seriously as well maintaining quality products. JK Motorsports has worked with us to improve their products strength, affordability and appearance, all which have had a lot of time put into them already, and that is what we like to see. Tomorrow we will be contact via email and through forums with everyone with the old design. Feel free to email us or pm us before then and we will be happy to get your current shipping information to get you the proper parts. For those who have made educated and unbiased comments, in favor or against the bars, I will say thanks once again and I as well as others do appreciate your input. i have dealt with you for a little bit now and yes your cust. service is awesome you guys are always willing to help a brother out and for that im greatful. as far as the new bars are available with grade 8 hardware im game. and you guys should include some FT. LBS. instructions for installation. but when it comes to the bars i have talked to jk once about his bars and he siad that i could have got a set that he used on his personal set-up. if he has used them and not had a problem and many others have 2 with out incident. this could be any number af factors. install, design, tourqing sequence, anything. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
Originally Posted by DrSeuss
Making after market parts for cars does make you liable if they're found to have failed and caused injury or death.
Its why i'd never make anything which is either forms an integral part of the chassis, or any braking component. Its a very dodgy area and no disclaimer on this planet will protect you if someone dies after your home made component fails. so if you die on the streets because of this product, you were mis-using it, and he is not to blame... i guess its just really frustrating to know that there was an issue at hand, and all those that had the old style bar were not contacted with a warning. it took a thread like this to actually get the truth out and open, which really sucks. i wont hold anything against Mike, he runs a great business and have ALWAYS had good luck buying from him. i will still continue to buy from him in the future. he said he will be contacting those with the old style bars for an update, which is great on his part |
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"A flaw has has come up and has NOW been solved in the current models and now moving back toward past models."
Originally Posted by LSD Motorsports
I think you made a mistake and you meant to say the flaw was solved in the current models.
I am giving Mike all the details on which bar and parts are not up to snuff. I personally and profesionally apologize for and fear, worries, or concern this has caused anyone. We are working to make this problem correct, not just sweeping it under the mat and giving up. Thank You for you support. |
Re: Traction bars...Brands/opinions/experience
where are the close up pics of the new style bars.....
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