is it time to swap?? NSFW!!!!! 56k maybe????
 

ok i know im going to get serverly mixed results but as most of you know i am a ZC lover.. but i want more power till i build another boost setup,so i have a basic a6/z6 mini me i am working on.. the high comp. kind but i iam wondering should i spend the 1k and build it to make 160-175hp or is it time to get me an LS bottom and a b16 head for about the same price? i am kind of confused as all i have ever know is D love but the zc will be used as a back up motor for now till i either build the ---- out of it or get tired of doing anything and buy a lexus.. so please HONEST opinion's and no lop sided ----..

2 options

cliff's: build the zc,continue with high comp a6\z6 or swap out to LS/V

and pron

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Re: is it time to swap?? NSFW!!!!! 56k maybe????
 

I love boost, but I also have a fetish for N.A. now. JG engine dynamics had a NA ZC video on their website that is very sexy.

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175 whp all motor d series is easier said then done. I never got close to those kind of #'s with my builds and had well over 2000+in the builds



The head had alone was well over a grand

In reality your run of the mill all motor d will be 130-145 in a good day. Refrence the wheeze which made 130 had and 14.1 compression and a good head,its not that easy.

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yes i have seen there 1.8l zc that makes 200whp.. dont want to invest that kind of money at this present moment.. i am trying to keep total cost under 13-1500 i want best bang for the and for that money it would be hard for me to make the power i want turbo which is kind of why i want to swap.. bigger power for less money and reliable

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all motor talk=isnt cheap. Not the typical I throw oversized cams in stock ls/vtec builds.



Dont bother unless your a wierdo like myself and enjoy chating flow #'s with old men stick with boosting a motor. I also worked/friends with one of the OG all motor guys who ended becoming one of the first guys to run 9's and now he is back to all motor.


Dont waste any money with a big all motor zc motor not worth it unless again you like the wierdo thing.


Ps building side exit header for my 86 crx

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ls and boost > LS vtak



About the same price

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i WILL NOT throw another piece of ---- junkyard setup together.. i wan reliable before boost again.. fully built is the only way.. just looking for something to throw together that will get me a good amount of power i will be happy with till i build another boost setup

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if had people to chat flow #'s with i would probably chat with them.. whats the typical bolt together LS w/b16 head aound 180-185hp? i am not looking to crack 200hp just looking for something that has good power and will be almost 100% reliable till i decide what i want to build for a nasty turbo setup in the future. not really concerned about 200hp or above just something that has lots of torque and like to rev a bit.. thats why i was leaning toward mini me but that investment would be wasted for 1500 when i could have slapped together and LS/V for the same price and had more power out of the box.. GOD DAMN I AM SO CONFUSED!

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LS + 8lbs with a 60/63 with some conservative timing = A good amount of power...... ;)

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But I know what you mean about a junk set up. Im building my ls for this race season. I want a 350+ hp setup to rock for the summer and summers to come. >:D

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Sell out and swap in the LSVTAK.

;D

But wait, those aren't reliable.

::)

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ls vtec owns

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Who says it has to be a piece of ---- setup?

LS turbo owns.

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lets put it this way.. there is no way your giong to make reliable boosted power for 1500.. especially when i have already sold off all my turbo stuff

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stock ls/vtec will make close to what a stock gsr makes to the wheels 140-150 depending on the dyno

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Oh and good luck not spending 400+on a b series vtec cable transmission if you can even find one. Most have been in the states being rapped by everyone for the last 10 years. The only ones coming over not -----d out are the few left overseas and when I saw few try to find one. I got another y1 lsd but it wont be cheap

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what happend to your zc with cams that smokes modded ls1s and spins 4th gear

and you can make reliable turbo power for under 1500 easily

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It also has super ground wires, that's the secret.

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i can pick a complete LS swap motor,trans,mounts ect. for 700 and use the ls trans till he sells me his b16 cable one cheap..

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my build will not be your typical ----- 260hp build.. you stick to you comode..

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Here is the thing ls blocks usually have what 150k+ on them. Reving a stock high mileage ls block to 8000+is going to kill what little is left in the motor.



Reality if your going to do and do it right get ready to bore the block,oversized pistons etc etc etc


Or buy a b20 block and slap the head on and call it a day.

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:S

yet you're talking about NA d series...

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your porn is nice.

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Quoted because this is exactly what I said about a week ago to you in the beach house.

You only have $1500 and you want reliability first, power second. As much as I hate B16s, for what kind of money you have, B16 is the way to go.

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if you can get an Ls swap for 700, I would go with that and just forget about the vtec trans and worry more about the head/ your other build

Re: is it time to swap?? NSFW!!!!! 56k maybe????
 

well the ls motor i am picking up was recently rebuilt abotu 4500 miles ago.. now what it consisted of im not sure.. im sure bearings rings and such..

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sorry i run a buisness have a house to pay for and a wife and kid.. i cant be your run of the mill child and spend my money as i feel..

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LS with B16 pistons, valvetrain, 404s. 160 to 170whp and faster than a VTEC engine at those power levels because it's not peaky. You get more power out of fiddling cam gears and port work, you can break 200 on those cams. Plus, 30mpg in a 91 CRX Si is what guy I tuned is getting from his setup.

Re: is it time to swap?? NSFW!!!!! 56k maybe????
 

I'd say just swap in a stock B16 for the reliability factor. Mine was swapped in with around 50-60k miles on it and it's got about 100k+ on it now and it still runs like a champ. Shits on 5.0 and 4.6 mustangs with bolt ons (not supercharged cobras of course), so it's got enough power at high RPMs but still behaves like a d16 at low RPMs for the daily drive. It's on par with LT1 camaros but LS1's will still walk away from me. As far as import cars around here there hasn't been much competition, although I did race a new Si (2dr) and he managed to keep up.

But the important thing for me is how reliable it's been, not that it's quick - that's just a bonus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyX1EsmokM

Just incase you need video proof ;) (yes I know it's ------- dark).

The only things I've had to do to it have been minor with the exception of a brand new distributor, and I think it's about ready for a head gasket but that's my fault for letting it over heat a couple times without a radiator fan. :S

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gunna have to call you out on that 8)

i raced a hatch with a b16 with full bolt ons in my vert camaro when it was stock and i pulled so hard on him it wasn't even a race...

and if a new si "kept up" with you, no lt1 or ls1 powered car will even be close.

i believe the 5.0 part 8)

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stock 5.0 mustangs get owned by zc 's w/ bolt ons

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LS powered cars will walk away from me, but an LT powered car won't. I know because I've tried. Perhaps it was driver error on the Camaro's part but according to tough-gay I'm no good :1

Of course 5.0's are no good stock, I just figured I'd throw that in there.

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my whole thing about b16's is i love torque to much to go with a straight vtec motor it would have to be hybrid for me to even consider

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Then why a Honda?



Sorry, had to do it.

:P

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well truthfully i am almost done with honda.. i may just stick with the zc and finish the car as is.. i need to get my other ek 4dr fixed so i can sell it and move on to something else..i just want some extra power without spending loads more cash on a 20 year old platform. something fun and will get me where i need to go.. was thinking of swappign because there isnt much more i can do to the zc as there was never huge support in the aftermarket for it..

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B20/vtec.Get some ARP rod bolts,bearings,rings,high comp cast pistons few hundred buck for machine work and you can get that setup together for cheap.B16 heads are pretty cheap these days and im sure if yo dig around you could come up with some cams for cheap.I would almost kinda like to build a allmotor CRX :l

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i have also thought about the b20/vtec as i am seeing more and more b16 heads for under $300.. any thing particular to worry about? btween the B and Z i know the Z is higher compression.. but i am also not looking to rebuild anthing.. i basically want to get the block throw the conversion kit and head on it and drive.. i am not looking for a 9k screamer just something for fun that has plenty of power..

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Plenty of stuff for the zc just not off the shelf. A custom box plenum will own any of the junk made in china. Finish the zc make some good power. Smile like a school girl.

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this is homemade turbo nigga you will get more power out of a cheapass 1000 setup than every "off the shelf" b16 "performance" part