Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

If you were to get a new car out of these choices which would you pick?... And if the Talon a 1g or 2g?.. Can somebody help me with some Pro's/Con's, thanks guys:)

Also for the 89-93 240's, is it the SR20DET black or red top that drops in? Is ther e a stock TT engine? Was the Silvia from this generation?

Sorry about the stupid questions, always been a Honda guy, looking to extend my knowledge...

Thanks

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the stock tt is the rb20dett inline 6 twin turbo and and its the red top that drops right in

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for starters, it's the talon 'tsi' not 'sti' ;) the 2g's look a lot better, but i believe the 1g's are a lot stronger and not as many problems (i.e. crankwalk), i dont' know too much about them though. as far as the 240, yeah, an sr20det will drop into the s13, which i believe was the 89-93, but an rb20det also drops in with just a diff. cross member i beieve. that's about all i know on the subject :-\

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

Dsm's are known to be very cheap to modify and make fast. You could drop $500 on a tsi and get it running mid 13's. Although they are prone to mechanical failure. I am planning on getting a 1st gen when I'm done with the rex. Check out dsmtalk.com.
As for the 240, rear wheel drive kicks ass.

Your going to spend a lot more money to make a 240 as fast as a tsi or gsx but in the end the 240 might be more reliable imo.
Either way, I like both of these cars.

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i love both types of cars. but the thing is everyone and there mom has a gsx/tsi there like the civic of DSM's. but not to many people have 240's. well at least thats the way it is here :-\

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damn around here everyone and their ------- brother has a swapped 240.. theyre the new civics.. i feel like an individual cause i drive a swapped civic... 240' are everywhere

oh and i vote DSM... AWD is da ----

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:-\

You're confused with the skyline motor - RB26DETT. The redtop is a silvia SR20DET single turbo. A very popular swap. The RB26DETT is too expensive.

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

i dont know much about the 240 and its tsi not sti. As far as dsm i go for the @nd gen. the engine not as powerful as the 1st gen and expect some common visit to the shop to fix your ride. But they are cheap to make fast though. You should be able to do some research online on the cars

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go with a 90-91 AWD DSM.

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He's not confused, you're confused, the R32 skyline motor is cheaper and makes more power than the Sr20, this is the RB20dett. then there was the R33 skyline motor, RB25dett, then the incredibly expensive R34 motor, the RB26dett. The first one is sweet because it is just as small as the Sr20, perfect for a swap, 6 cylinders, and makes more power. Check out www.night7racing.com for a lot more good info on 240 swaps.

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I had no idea you can swap motors with a skyline into a 240sx. I bet thats exspensive as hell though

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And as far as choosing between these cars, I would like a 240 with a swap, but DSM's are boring, i'd rather have my slow Honda than a DSM.

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yeah i did get confused...sorry stargazer...i have a black top sr20 in my kouki..and i like it much better than my turbo civic....

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well it depends on what you want to do with the car if you want a powerfull beast with awsome traction and great for drag racing get a 1g talson tsi 90-91 the block is the strongest in these 2 years my buddy here in germany army guy has a t4 running 27lbs of boost on a stock block with 750cc injectors and a safc with no problems. just these cars are known to blow pressure plates at high hp. now if you want an all out universal car drifting and such get a 240 with a sr20det or get a 180sx with a ca18det same thing just an older model. here in germany the have this car but its called the 200sx( jap 180sx) same exact car with a 1.8l rear wheel drive turbocharged cast iron block beast under the hood. guys in the uk get 400hp with an upgraded turbo no plroblem with these and guess what a 89-90 will cost you $600-$1000 bucks in good working order here in germany. im getting one as a daily driver

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

I had no idea you can swap motors with a skyline into a 240sx. I bet thats exspensive as hell though

No, as I said, the Rb20dett will drop in for about the same cash as a Sr20 only the block is stronger, has 30 more ponies stock and is a 6 cylinder. The sr20 is a really good swap but because of that people think it is there only option, when it really isnt even the best.

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

Nice, Id vote the 240 as well. I might have to move to Germany.. Def a race inspired country... No worries there

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----, thats why i hant left yet. Germans cant do ---- to their cars without paying a huge tax and then extra money for inspection so almost any car you buy is in great condition and if it didnt pass inspection you can get it for pennies. my buddy just got a type r drive train everything down to the 5 lug conversion for $4000 with a b18c6 yes c6 german spec 11.1 compression ratio. but yeah just fly over take a nice vacatin and send yourself home a 180sx for about 1500-2000 already turbo

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here check this one out on egay

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...category=18238

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I ment exspensive as finding a skyline engine which you have to get from japan and ship it to the us

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id take rwd anyday not that i drive a 7.

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i forgot to mention that we americans dont have to pay all that bulshit for hooking up are cars. so some of the germans hate like crazy and wont even talk to you when you drive up to floss your ride. but hey they can kiss my ass they just want to be us.

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

I ment exspensive as finding a skyline engine which you have to get from japan and ship it to the us
That is what I meant too.

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so your saying its pretty cheap buying and shipping a nissian skyline r32 engine from japan and swapping it in the 240 sx?

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yeah, didn't I give you a website to go look at?

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um no i dont really care but i doubt its cheap to buy a skyline engine and ship it. A guy from columbus just recently bought an r33 skyline and shipped it here and it cost him a nickel. Plus i doubt many people know how to work with an engine thats not made in the u.s.

Re:Talon STI vs. 240SX
 

join the air force get stationed in japan and bring one home with you for free shipping payed by us goverment. and you get to support the war effort at the same time ;D

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An engine is an engine, you think Honda guys have a problem working on B16's from japan, I hope not. The only forseeable problem would be parts, but all of these problems are the same for the SR20, my only point was I would rather have an RB20det than an SR20.

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actually... the RB20 and RB25 are single turbo motors.. the RB26 is the only oem TT inline 6 from nissan.... just pointing that out

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good call. RB20det 220 ponies stock.

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im pretty sure that the rb20 makes the same hp as the sr20.. just a bit more TQ and has a little more stout bottom end...

Re:Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

Thanks guys, and yes I meant TSI not STI:P

So you guy swould reccomend the RB swap over the SR swap... Now are the 20, 25, and 26 (RB's) basically the same swap; like a B-series into a Honda...

Does anybody know what a shope might charge for this swap, or are they as straight forward as a Honda swap?

Thanks guys...

Re:Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

SR20 redtop: 202 hp, 188 Tq
SR20 Blacktop: 217 hp, 202 Tq $3200
Rb20det: 220 hp, 194 Tq $2200
Rb25det: 250 hp, 220 Tq
Rb26dett: 276 hp, 270 Tq

There you go, prices are front clip, shipping not included.

Re:Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

wtf? those prices are retarted.

i would get the rb20. or i would find a sentra ser with an sr20 in it and turbo it. why not?

Re:Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

you gotta remember that the 6 cylinder is alot more work to get it to work correctly. Also to upgrade a rb20 is alot more money than the SR20. The SR20 can handle 450hp while the RB can handle 550. I would go for the SR20. Its more reasonable

Re:Talon TSI vs. 240SX
 

yeah that and a lot of stuff that you could potentially need for an sr20 is readily available in the states ( thanks to the sentra ser and the 200sx ser)..... the RB motors are a dif story there.. i have a bud doing a rb20 swap on his car.. hes probably got $10000 in the car ( granted it has a cusco cage and all kinda of retardedly expensive ---- in it) and its not running yet...

i vote SR20... or... ca18det <-- iron block

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i vote for the AWD Talon....my next car...

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i voter 90-94 eclipse....

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yup im looking at a 91 AWD right now.... speaking of.. i need to sell my hatch

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I picked up a '92 AWD TSi with 89k for $500(broken timing belt), got $400 in a new cylinder head, $500 in a engine rebuild kit, and gonna spend $850 on a Shep racing(he runs 8.80's in the 1/4 in the SAME type of car)transmission. That(with the stock turbo) should put me in the low 13's or high 12's. I doubt you could do a SR20 240 that performed as well for that kind of cash(comes to about $2500).

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yup, and then u can upgrade the turbo and go even faster... a guy around here hit 10.9 on a 14b... or maybe it was 11 something i forget, but impressice on that turbo