shadetree

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed.

Yes that's what he's doing.
But heres the thing. It takes energy to break a bond. In a perfect world, you would get 100% of the energy that you put into breaking the bond back in the converted energy. In the real world, some of energy is wasted in the conversion, thru heat loss, friction, other parasitic losses.

The highest "claimed" efficiency of water electrolysis from a reliable source is 94%, but most claim 50-70%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
Buddy's claim of 700% efficiency flys in the face of EVERYTHING known about the natural world. Read this part again.
First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed.
You cannot get 7X the energy back.
Complete bullshit.

Standard gasoline engines convert about 40% of the energy stored in gasoline and oxygen into power at the wheels. Most of the wasted energy is lost thru heat and friction.

Combining the efficiencies of electrolysis and the internal combustion engine, I would be suprised if that dune buggy puts 30% of the energy stored in it's battery/s to the ground.

That thing runs temporarily off the energy stored in the battery. I doubt that thing drives more than a few blocks (just long enough for a vid to prove it "works") before the battery runs out of juice for the electrolysis. It is a con.

I would bet my house that a standard golf cart would go farther on the same battery than that dune buggy.


Nope, he's talking about electrolysis, not fuel cells.

You are a little confused. Electrolysis and fuel cells are not the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell

Fuel cells and tradition batteries are both more efficient ways of storing and releasing energy than water electrolysis.


If you're so sure this the way of the future, these guys are looking for investors:
http://media.putfile.com/HHO-GAS
They say it's going to be the next Microsoft. :1 You'll be rich! :1 :1 :1 $20 says in 2 years those guys are in court or in Mexico.

http://www.infozine.com/news/stories...iew/sid/13406/

jinxy

but hes not actualy creating energy. the h2o molecule is just being split into useable hydrogen. By the logic your using to say this is impossible because its a "perpetual motion machine" You could also say a nuclear power plant is a "perpetual motion machine". Another thing is, if you read the patnents hes actualy usuing frequencys to help break the bonds in the molecule wich is diffrent from all of the other electrolysis descriptions ive seen. His cell is also allot more complex that most of the other devices.

HyperactiveSloth

Excuse me? How the hell did I end up being a supporter of what-the-----'s-'is-name in those articles at the beginning of this thread?
The ONLY thing I was trying to say is that the guy you're al talking about without knowing what HE's talking about is probably talking about this ==>http://www.frank.germano.com/joe_cell.htm, and NOT talking about splitting water apart into hydrogen and oxygen.

Geez, if you're gonna kill the messenger at least know what the ---- message he's delivering. :P
I personally wouldn't stake a dime on what this guy's sellin' , but then again I know better than to judge without knowing the whole story. Thus, my neutrality on the subject.

I just figured you guys might want to argue about SOMETHING, instead of arguing about whether or not you're arguing about the same thing. :P
Oh well...

Dr.Boost

I'm not even close to being smart enough to participate in this arguement so I'm just going to sit here and look pretty.
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Slo_crx1

Ditto

4Aaron GE

If he's not creating energy out of magic, then he's got a scientific paper to write, becuase the ******'s got some cold fusion going on there.

A nuclear reactor isn't a perpetual motion machine because once the fuel is spent, it's ------- gone. We can't use it again for the purpose. We can make nukes out of some of the leftover ----, but once the energy in the uranium is released, it's not going back in there, and we can't use it again in the reactor.

On the other hand, unless buddy is converting hydrogen and oxygen atoms straight into energy (or unless he's breaking down the minute amounts of heavy water present), we're starting out with X litres of water molecules, and ending with X litres of H2O and energy. ---- just doesn't work like that.

Bone1

but it is on the internet, it must be true!

Next step,

Quantumelectrodynamics,

Richard Feynman

He also ripped NASA's *** about the Challenger crash.