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Situation
The company I moved for, purchased a house, a new car, etc etc has turn to ----. They made my boss quit, they fired the other Draftperson, Now they have a new surveyor/manager, and just me. They did not help me with any relocation compensation, pissed me off, they did not give me a raise as promised, just a dollar because of my year anniversary a few months back, and the office just sucks.

I have been going to interviews lately, expecting this office to be closed, but the main office keeps saying they won't close it, and got an offer for a better position, more pay, bigger company, etc. What to do, be loyal? jump ship?

OLD COMPANY
Pros:
Not much right now, just that it's only 15 minutes from my house, short drive
I can come in an out pretty much how I want as long as I get the stuff done in time.

Cons:
The BIG one is that this company uses a software (Terramodel 10.41) for their drawings that has been terminated by the company, no one uses it, in my industry, and I am falling behind the industry standard which is AutoCAD, or more specifically, Land Desktop 2007. This will affect my career later on.
A lot of Bullshit, owners fighting, managers stepping on each other, too much Drama
My Boss/manager, we had a good team and relationship, he's cool, will leave by the end of the week.
I have too much work, stress, being the only guy here.
I can make more money doing the same thing.
$18 hr
$27 hr overtime


NEW COMPANY
Pros:
Bigger established company.
Better benefits. Full medical paid, 401k, etc.
I would be coming into a Senior Technician position.
Better equipment
They use the LATEST AutoCAD packages, currently Land Desktop 2007.
$20.63 hr
$30.95 Overtime ;)
Cons:
Longer drive, about 35 minutes
Less vacation time first year, evens out after.

I would be making an average of 7,000 more a year, counting the overtime.
My inclination is to tell this company to suck it, and move for better pay and a better situation to advance.

Oh well, I guess I have to make a decision by thursday.

I still have not presented the situation to the current company, I'm sure they will try to keep me, offer more money. But there's still that software issue.

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This isnt's rocket science big man, your second option sounds like candy to me, yah the driv time might suck, but everyone likes to drive, tunes and coffee make any tour good. Better money, brighter future, loyalty is great but when the ---- finally hits the fan where you are do you really belive they will give a ---- about you? Most companies never do, so take all you can get when you can get it. Make the move ......

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In my opinion, going with the one that is more of an industry standard would be a better choice. If the old company uses out dated ---- then your work WILL suffer later down the road. I did a stint with an architectural company doing simple PC bulshit for about 4 months while looking for another Admin position. Once I finaly sat back down in front of server 2003 and looked at AD, I had to refresh on a lot of ----. I was amazed.

2BG4HNDA has a point, being loyal is worthless if your employer doesn't appricate it.

besides, more money is always a perk.

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---- the old company

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Easy call on this one man, loyalty doesn't mean jack when the company is crap.

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Im pretty sure you just answered your self. Nobody is going to blame you for bettering yourself.

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#2 for sure.

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Yeah, that's what I think, I just need to know I'm not the only one that thinks that way. The normal and probably the right choice is to take it. :y

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Jebus....no wonder we cant hire any draftsmen, you guys make too damn much money :'(

Seriously though take the job you will be happiest at, screw pay, if you aint happy doing what you do, you won't succeed. 35 minutes isnt that much longer of a commute, I grew up in the sticks and used to regularly travel 1 hour plus for work. Your job now sounds like it is falling apart, ditch the sinking ship before it goes down.

At least (if the job market is there what it is here) the job market is a plus for you right now. My office is hiring newbs right out of school because we just cant find anyone to hire.

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That's just how it is here also, but 80% of those newbs can't really draft or are used for simple cabinet making or just copying old drawings jobs. Trained an capable people are really hard to find.
I am good, hahaha, so people want me, that's why I get paid what I get paid.

I'm a surveyor that cannot sign drawings, I do everything but put the ink down, make the decisions take care of the field crews etc etc. Other people don't know jack and have to constantly go to the surveyors or engineers for help. I go to them for their signature only. :8

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---- all the dumb ----, just pimp young chicano boys out of the back of a rusty Ford Aerostar.

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I cant believe your only hold back is loyalty.. ya they really stepped up w/ the relocation costs and bigger raise huh.

no offence, the only reason you are still with them is because no1 else can do what you're doing. when they dont need you, bye bye.

move now while you got a good offer.

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dont quit your old job just yet. if you do start the second job, make sure to use up your vacation time and sick time starting the same day as your new job. try out the new job for two weeks, if you like it quit and if not go back toyour old job. ehh or just take thenew job and stop crying, every job is going to have its share of problems.. :-*

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Survival is of prime importance. Both self preservation and family depend on a steady income. GTFO while you have an opportunity to do so... Cut the emotional baggage to your old employer, and look forward to the future man...

----, I work for Microsoft... I love it here... Either people like it here or they hate it, and get burnt out.

Change is good for us as humans... especially when opportunity appears in times of need.... TAKE THE NEW JOB!!!!

GL

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I went to a new job, didn't really want to leave the old job but i have moved into a bigger better company, all in all its the best thing i ever did! As someone else said "---- the old company!!"

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this man knows what's up. definitely use all that paid time off, and feel out the other job. it seems like a better place.

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easy decision davcivic....sounds like you paid your dues trying to be loyal to the other company, now go make some real money and be in a job that will give you the responsiblity and recognition you need and deserve!

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Yeah, you can do way better, you dont owe the company anything, so jump ship, dont get all sentimental. Just leave, dont burn bridges but get the better job. Just remember, the company is not loyal to you, and you do not have to stay there. I see people all the time that are a slave to their company, dont become one. Just remember, opportunities are taken, not handed out. Even if this job sucks, im sure you could find another in no time. If you were truly happy with the way things were going at your job now, you wouldnt even be considering this.

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#2 sounds like a really nice offer, i'd jump on it.

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to add to my earlier comments. The fact that this current company has a head office would worry me. To head office you are nothing more than a id# w/ a salary. If they can find a way to cut that in the midst of this hardship they will.

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---- both jobs. both of them sound like a handful. just get a job at the local burger shack, you'll be much happier. or you could keep you dignity and take the new job offer.

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I would stick it out with the job you have now, let them take advantage of you, and pay you less than you're worth. JK ---- that ----, if an employer tries to take advantage of me, I tell them to shove it and quit at the busyest time of the day.

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Ok....thanks for all the replies, you guys are right.....Having the HMT family makes decisions so much easier.

I got the official offer letter from the new company TODAY.....just like I wanted $$$$$.....Now it makes me think I could have asked for more :-\....Still its a lot more, not just a few cents.

This is going to be great though....I'm the only one drafting in my old office, In the main office in Orlando, there's plenty of people, but I'm the only one in this second office. As soon as I leave they might have to close it down...hahahahahahhaaha....serves them right for being asses......the other employees will not be affected at all, so I don't feel bad.....