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I voted for chuck baldwin. I guess the Ron Paul Endorsed them for president.

I like their idea about the U.N. and US troops serving under no other flag than the US flag. It's not like we follow anything the UN tells us anyway, so why even bother?

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I'm not impressed with Chuck Baldwin, all he seems to talk about is Ron Paul and how he was endorsed by him. I don't think he understands that people like Dr. Paul because of his principles and not because he is a great guy or whatever, also the Constitution party has some pretty strange ideas, and really don't seem to be offering any new ideas. You could also throw in the Americas first party (forgot their nominees name right offhand) and the green party (Cinthia Mckinney) the socialist party , etc.

I narrowed it down to Nader and Barr because of their ideas and positions on how things should be done, I don't care about their personal lives, all of them could be flaming homosexuals and it would not change my opinion of any of them.

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wow, nader = socialist
bar = libertarian.

complete opposite of the political spectrum. and you can't decide between either :S

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There are certain issues people are more concerned with than others... especially how candidates are labeled.

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they get the label because its what they are, and thats the policies they support. nader is a loser just like the rest of them.

barr is ok i guess.

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Thats because I actually understand what Socialism is :1 Its not just an insult you know.

Rawr is the only other person in this thread that seems to know what he's talking about, what people need to understand is that this country was earned by people that wanted it, and after they set up their government they were all active participants in it. You cannot expect that all we need to do is get the right guy in office and everything will be hunky dory, its the people that make change, until we are all ready for that then nothing will change.

Look at Argentina for an example, they were tired of getting fucked over and so they overthrew 5 presidents in 2 weeks, how is it that they can do that but supposedly the "greatest country in the world" can't even come together and elect a decent leader?

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Because in argentina theve got nothing to lose here we bitch and complain about ultimatly minor ----, But at the end of the day everyone is basically happy with cable tv some nachos and a decent couch. We don't have to worry about someone coming in and making your kids work in a cocaine factory or if your gonna have food to eat before you starve.

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I'm not a fan of Bob Barr because of his history. Him joining the libertarian party seems more like a last attempt to remain somewhat relevant in politics, rather than a genuine attempt to reform the political system. A few years ago while he was in the republican party, he held a completely different set of values and personal philosophy. Now he's right in step with the libertarian cause. I doubt his authenticity.

The Libertarians as a party seem to create the same type of atmosphere the democrats and republicans do. I believe they're just as succeptable to politicians swaying their intent and opinions in order to gain power. So for myself there's not any reason to go flag waving for any sort of organized casue. I've read some lit by Murray Rothbard and some other Austrian School works, it sort of just killed it for me. Rothbard (self proclaimed founder of the libertarian ideology) was a complete egomaniac who's work is peppered with vague generalizations of what "academia" is thinking and how he's the only person to ever think in the way he has. The book the Ethics of Liberty seemed like it was filled with him talking about himself more than anything relevant. He also flipped out later in life when Ayn Rand and himself had a falling out and spent most of his time writing about how Objectivism is a cult and how Ayn Rand supporters are sheep who warship her as an idol. All while he's trying to form a political party and make it relevant in society. I mean, here's a guy who spent his whole life writing about decentralization and Anarco-Capitalism and he was the main major contributor of literature from the Libertarian party. Ironic much?


Personally, I just wish Johnny would learn to argue without resorting to calling someone a fagot, liberal or a socialist.

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Right, and that basically sums up my dilemma, Bobb bar voted for the patriot act and yet claims to be a libertarian, also one of the debates I watched they questioned the fact that he was formerly employed by the CIA and how he has switched positions on different issues over the years, seems the Libertarians had a few better choices that they overlooked for whatever reason.

In regards to flag waiving, thats why I like Nader, yes alot of his policies are Socialistic in nature but so what? Thats how we got seatbelts in cars and safety standards, OSHA, etc. I mean why is it that anytime someone has an idea it automatically has to be catogorized with a specific Ideology? why can't it simply be a good idea?

Take the Social Security program for instance, basically everyone pays into the system without prior consent and they have no control over how the funds are allocated or distributed, wheres the capitalism? If we have to have a program like this then the people should control it, same with the IRS and any other entity that collectively takes money and distributes it at its own discretion, thats more communism that socialism.

Anyways as for the constitution party, well the constitution was written to guarantee rights to the citizens of this country, not take them away. Basically by wanting to ban gay marriage, abortion etc. They are making policy decisions based on religion rather than reason and we already have a party like that in the White House.