obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
11-03-2008, 07:43 PM
#111
3.0 BAR
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,449
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by random-strike
post some information about what obama says about nafta.
the unions that require 35/hr to torque bolts onto pieces of metal are what is making everything move to different countries. how can anyone honestly think they should be paid so much for doing so little. when you add in all the benefits they make 100k+. thats why lame shitty cars cost 30k and all the jobs are moving to other countries.
i am for free trade. and trading with other countries. all the lame regulations and everything in those nafta bills are what make it bad. trading with other countries is a good thing.
the unions that require 35/hr to torque bolts onto pieces of metal are what is making everything move to different countries. how can anyone honestly think they should be paid so much for doing so little. when you add in all the benefits they make 100k+. thats why lame shitty cars cost 30k and all the jobs are moving to other countries.
i am for free trade. and trading with other countries. all the lame regulations and everything in those nafta bills are what make it bad. trading with other countries is a good thing.
When you can pay someone $10 a day instead of $10/hr to answer phones and enter data into a computer and not have any quams about moving that money to another country...then you have issues for the american public.
Now if that company took the extra profits they make from a smart business decision like that and invested into the US Economy somehow (R&D, new US division with added jobs, etc) then I'm all for it. But if they re-invest it into their own pockets and those of their shareholders, lobbyists and gov't officials, then I think that's wrong and should be taxed.
11-03-2008, 07:51 PM
#112
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by random-strike
you're a liar or severely misinformed.
read the declaration of independence. read the hundreds of quotes from the founders. they definatly believed in limited government. very very small government. government so small all the losers in the US today would panic and probably eventually die because someone isn't paying for them, or doing something for them.
oregon has this thing called the "oregon health plan". I could not get on this plan if i wanted to, but i have to pay for it. as well as my own insurance. do you think i like paying $400/month for health insurance? why do i have to pay for myself, my family, AND a bunch of ------- losers too.
---- the government and ---- all the losers who love it. and especially ---- everyone i have to pay so they can live.
why should i even work? maybe i should just quit my job. maybe everyone who is tired of paying more than half their income in taxes, but not being "eligible" for the things they pay for should quit too. who is going to pay then?
read the declaration of independence. read the hundreds of quotes from the founders. they definatly believed in limited government. very very small government. government so small all the losers in the US today would panic and probably eventually die because someone isn't paying for them, or doing something for them.
oregon has this thing called the "oregon health plan". I could not get on this plan if i wanted to, but i have to pay for it. as well as my own insurance. do you think i like paying $400/month for health insurance? why do i have to pay for myself, my family, AND a bunch of ------- losers too.
---- the government and ---- all the losers who love it. and especially ---- everyone i have to pay so they can live.
why should i even work? maybe i should just quit my job. maybe everyone who is tired of paying more than half their income in taxes, but not being "eligible" for the things they pay for should quit too. who is going to pay then?
i agree, welfare and stuff that helps lazy low class trash that have no intention on earning thier keep in this country should be done away with. it wont ever happen no matter who runs the country or how much you complain.
Originally Posted by random-strike
why don't you stop bloviating and go to canada? just one less loser i have to pay for in this country
11-03-2008, 07:59 PM
#113
0.5 BAR
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 176
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by random-strike
post some information about what obama says about nafta.
the unions that require 35/hr to torque bolts onto pieces of metal are what is making everything move to different countries. how can anyone honestly think they should be paid so much for doing so little. when you add in all the benefits they make 100k+. thats why lame shitty cars cost 30k and all the jobs are moving to other countries.
i am for free trade. and trading with other countries. all the lame regulations and everything in those nafta bills are what make it bad. trading with other countries is a good thing.
the unions that require 35/hr to torque bolts onto pieces of metal are what is making everything move to different countries. how can anyone honestly think they should be paid so much for doing so little. when you add in all the benefits they make 100k+. thats why lame shitty cars cost 30k and all the jobs are moving to other countries.
i am for free trade. and trading with other countries. all the lame regulations and everything in those nafta bills are what make it bad. trading with other countries is a good thing.
I do agree with you about free trade with other countries is good. NAFTA looks good on paper, but I know its royaly ------ the United States in the ***. But I would like it to favor NAFTA if it favors the American workers.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_561797.html
Originally Posted by random-strike
how can anyone honestly think they should be paid so much for doing so little.
11-03-2008, 08:05 PM
#114
0.0 BAR
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by CoreyR
i guess youre right, they did believe in a limited govt. but a limited govt and a govt with little power is the same thing. youre also not taking into consideration that it was writen well over 2 centuries ago when the population was about 1/1000th the size it is now, and didnt account for how much the country would change over time. we might have too much govt now, but if we only had the amount of govt they wanted back then it would be chaos.
i agree, welfare and stuff that helps lazy low class trash that have no intention on earning thier keep in this country should be done away with. it wont ever happen no matter who runs the country or how much you complain.
sorry but you dont pay for ---- for me. i pay for my school in cash, not financial aid. i also pay for my own health insurance. i have a job and pay income taxes just like you buddy. you do an awful lot of critisizing and calling names, lets see a post where you throw out some ideas (realistic, not kill everyone in govt and deport everything that doesnt agree with you lol) on how the country should be fixed.
i agree, welfare and stuff that helps lazy low class trash that have no intention on earning thier keep in this country should be done away with. it wont ever happen no matter who runs the country or how much you complain.
sorry but you dont pay for ---- for me. i pay for my school in cash, not financial aid. i also pay for my own health insurance. i have a job and pay income taxes just like you buddy. you do an awful lot of critisizing and calling names, lets see a post where you throw out some ideas (realistic, not kill everyone in govt and deport everything that doesnt agree with you lol) on how the country should be fixed.
you see you've fallen into the trap thats gotten us here in the first place. you make excuses. we do not have too many people. what we have is too many people dependent on government in various ways. not all dependencies are "welfare" type. people depend on the govt for almost everything in their life. it doesn't work. and our country is slowly drifting away. the government has trained people for decades to rely on them. saying everything will be chaos and the world will end if government doesn't have its hand in everything you do. its simply not true. government doesn't need to make it illegal to wear a seat belt for people to use them government doesn't need to make it illegal to use drugs for people not to use them.
if/when our economy collapses it will be the straw that broke the camels back. the only reason people have let government take so much control is because their lives were too good financially. when that falls apart. so will everyone else.
if governemnt doesn't steal my money and give it to those lazy people. they will either earn what they need to survive, or they will die. it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to government. because if it matters to government, they need to control the person.
anyone "government gives you" can be taken away when they feel like it. if we have personal freedom and liberties and the law to back it up, what we earn cannot be taken away. it is the only way we can be free.
do you honestly think the government will not do all the things private companies do, what insurance companies do? the difference between private companies and the government is that you have a choice when its private. if the government controls it YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, and no freedom. because if you do not agree, men with guns will come to your house and take you away.
try not paying your taxes because you don't agree with social security. now if social security was private, and you did not agree. YOU DON'T PAY, AND NO ONE COMES TO YOUR HOUSE TO KILL YOU.
its extremely disgusting when people give up their freedom and liberty. government IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, and IT DOES NOT WANT TO HELP YOU.
11-03-2008, 08:06 PM
#115
0.0 BAR
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by ryandeeznutz503
Sounds like our president. How Ironic.
how i find it funny that you say our president does nothing, but then you will say he ruined everything.
11-03-2008, 08:10 PM
#116
0.0 BAR
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by CoreyR
i guess youre right, they did believe in a limited govt. but a limited govt and a govt with little power is the same thing. youre also not taking into consideration that it was writen well over 2 centuries ago when the population was about 1/1000th the size it is now, and didnt account for how much the country would change over time. we might have too much govt now, but if we only had the amount of govt they wanted back then it would be chaos.
i agree, welfare and stuff that helps lazy low class trash that have no intention on earning thier keep in this country should be done away with. it wont ever happen no matter who runs the country or how much you complain.
sorry but you dont pay for ---- for me. i pay for my school in cash, not financial aid. i also pay for my own health insurance. i have a job and pay income taxes just like you buddy. you do an awful lot of critisizing and calling names, lets see a post where you throw out some ideas (realistic, not kill everyone in govt and deport everything that doesnt agree with you lol) on how the country should be fixed.
i agree, welfare and stuff that helps lazy low class trash that have no intention on earning thier keep in this country should be done away with. it wont ever happen no matter who runs the country or how much you complain.
sorry but you dont pay for ---- for me. i pay for my school in cash, not financial aid. i also pay for my own health insurance. i have a job and pay income taxes just like you buddy. you do an awful lot of critisizing and calling names, lets see a post where you throw out some ideas (realistic, not kill everyone in govt and deport everything that doesnt agree with you lol) on how the country should be fixed.
i pay tens of thousands of dollars in federal income tax alone. why do i not deserve the money i made? why should i pay 30%+ to the federal government alone? why should i even work when i can't even keep half my income?
11-03-2008, 08:12 PM
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Because George Bush doesn't care about black people.
11-03-2008, 08:17 PM
#118
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by random-strike
you don't pay any income tax. you don't make enough. you should get everything you pay back.
you see you've fallen into the trap thats gotten us here in the first place. you make excuses. we do not have too many people. what we have is too many people dependent on government in various ways. not all dependencies are "welfare" type. people depend on the govt for almost everything in their life. it doesn't work. and our country is slowly drifting away. the government has trained people for decades to rely on them. saying everything will be chaos and the world will end if government doesn't have its hand in everything you do. its simply not true. government doesn't need to make it illegal to wear a seat belt for people to use them government doesn't need to make it illegal to use drugs for people not to use them.
if/when our economy collapses it will be the straw that broke the camels back. the only reason people have let government take so much control is because their lives were too good financially. when that falls apart. so will everyone else.
if governemnt doesn't steal my money and give it to those lazy people. they will either earn what they need to survive, or they will die. it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to government. because if it matters to government, they need to control the person.
anyone "government gives you" can be taken away when they feel like it. if we have personal freedom and liberties and the law to back it up, what we earn cannot be taken away. it is the only way we can be free.
do you honestly think the government will not do all the things private companies do, what insurance companies do? the difference between private companies and the government is that you have a choice when its private. if the government controls it YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, and no freedom. because if you do not agree, men with guns will come to your house and take you away.
try not paying your taxes because you don't agree with social security. now if social security was private, and you did not agree. YOU DON'T PAY, AND NO ONE COMES TO YOUR HOUSE TO KILL YOU.
its extremely disgusting when people give up their freedom and liberty. government IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, and IT DOES NOT WANT TO HELP YOU.
you see you've fallen into the trap thats gotten us here in the first place. you make excuses. we do not have too many people. what we have is too many people dependent on government in various ways. not all dependencies are "welfare" type. people depend on the govt for almost everything in their life. it doesn't work. and our country is slowly drifting away. the government has trained people for decades to rely on them. saying everything will be chaos and the world will end if government doesn't have its hand in everything you do. its simply not true. government doesn't need to make it illegal to wear a seat belt for people to use them government doesn't need to make it illegal to use drugs for people not to use them.
if/when our economy collapses it will be the straw that broke the camels back. the only reason people have let government take so much control is because their lives were too good financially. when that falls apart. so will everyone else.
if governemnt doesn't steal my money and give it to those lazy people. they will either earn what they need to survive, or they will die. it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to government. because if it matters to government, they need to control the person.
anyone "government gives you" can be taken away when they feel like it. if we have personal freedom and liberties and the law to back it up, what we earn cannot be taken away. it is the only way we can be free.
do you honestly think the government will not do all the things private companies do, what insurance companies do? the difference between private companies and the government is that you have a choice when its private. if the government controls it YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, and no freedom. because if you do not agree, men with guns will come to your house and take you away.
try not paying your taxes because you don't agree with social security. now if social security was private, and you did not agree. YOU DON'T PAY, AND NO ONE COMES TO YOUR HOUSE TO KILL YOU.
its extremely disgusting when people give up their freedom and liberty. government IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, and IT DOES NOT WANT TO HELP YOU.
but youre right we should abolish government entirely and party like its 1776.
11-03-2008, 08:19 PM
#119
0.5 BAR
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 176
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by random-strike
thats true. no one would've been different.
how i find it funny that you say our president does nothing, but then you will say he ruined everything.
how i find it funny that you say our president does nothing, but then you will say he ruined everything.
11-03-2008, 08:21 PM
#120
0.0 BAR
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Re: obongo's aunt is an illegal alien
Originally Posted by CoreyR
but youre right we should abolish government entirely and party like its 1776.
more ridiculous conclusions.
anyone who looks to government for help is a LOSER. end of story. complete LOSER.
government has no money, it has to take it from someone else to give to someone else.
Originally Posted by ryandeeznutz503
He ruins everything by doing nothing.
if congress and the president did nothing all year every year we'd be a million times better off.
everytime a law is passed you lose liberty.
