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Well the Z has been on here a few times. Well I popped the headgasket on the stock L28E last summer and already had the stuff to fix it...and boost it. But aftermarket parts for it are harder to find and pricey and honestly. I just hate the engine. Sooooo...I've been trying to decide what to swap into it with the knowledge I have and money. Well no honda mill..though a thread on a site I post on when I'm not here HybridZ.org which someone asked why don't you ever see a F20/22C in a Z. I don't have that kind of money and I just don't like the B16 like powerband. I was looking at a 1JZ cause a 2JZ is mad loot just like a Rb25 or 26. But still was kinda pricey. Plain and simple I wanted a 4 cylinder and that was it. Stick with what you know right. :y
Now it was a toss up between a SR20DE....yes I said a DE because there is a adapter plate made that allows FWD SR20's to bolt onto the stock Z's drivetrain. This would of made the swap very easy but SR parts are kinda pricey still. So what else but a 4G63T. I found a local 6 bolt longblock for 350 and the harness for an additional 50 bucks. Then to buy the bellhousing from http://www.billsautofab.com for 275 that allows you to bolt on a W55/58 Toyota 5spd onto the 4G and using all stock mitsu and yota parts. Only machine work that needs to be done is to have some material machined out of the flywheel to accept a pilot bearing. MK2,3,4 supras and a couple other models. Stuff you can find in any junkyard that has a good supply of Yotas.
Now you ask why go from a 2.8 6 clyinder to a 2 liter 4 cylinder? Well start off at the technology of the L28E...60's design with the addition of early fuel injection...not to mention this engine weighs a ------- ---- ton. Secondly, the 46G3T is already rated 30 horsepower more for being almost 1 liter smaller and 2 pistons less. Also the 4G is 150 lbs less and will make the Z a mid engine car as it can be mounted behind the front wheels. O0 What isn't better about this engine then the stock 280's engine? NOTHING!
Now with the 4G I'll just be using the stock turbo ecu and harness to make things easier and cheaper...this is HMT right? Then I'll run JD's favorite choice for tuning..an SAFC! Yeeeeh! :-* Hack off one end of the intake manifold as the throttle body faces the firewall. Then finally bust out my TIG and fab up a manifold for my T4 60-1 originally for the L28. So tomorrow I'll have the 4G and just waiting on sell some left over parts to buy my bellhousing and away we go!

So...Good bye and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! I did I mention I like doing swaps on the most hottest days of the summer and in flip flops.Just ask Jago 8)
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only took me about two hours. Most of the time trying to get the engine and tranny out in one piece. yeah the support beams in my garage are only about 7 feet above ground so that doesn't leave me much clearance room with my lift.
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Something that came in the mail thursday. Originally it was bought for the Galant but she's a little on the bigger size and it looks better here anyways. Measures 31x12x3 and weighs like 2 tons. lol.
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original IC as the turbo and the intake manifold were both on the same side. Now this will get put into the Galant. If not sold to fund this project now. hahahah
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Engine picks tomorrow.
4G with bellhousing and yota tranny pic(not mine)
http://www.billsautofab.com/images/bellhousing_038.jpg
http://www.billsautofab.com/images/bellhousing_039.jpg
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more to come....

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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...Picture038.jpg

Note Built 4g in top left of pic... LOL... My buddys a Toyota NUT... Thats his garage we built my car/motor/setup.... Its amazing to me how HUGE the intake ports are .... you can elimiunmate the butterfly setups correct
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Going to his house is like a toyota tuners dream, 2jz, supercharged mr2 motor (going into the fx 16.... and the list goes on... 4g in a z though....neat, never seen it.

Its being turboed as well... on a seperate note he also has some freshly built pumped z motor hes putting in his 280... Ill get some pics...

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interresting...

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Thats a 3sge, and yeah the intake ports are fistable.. same thing i'm working on boosting right now. the buterfly plate is just sandwitched in there, you don't have to put it back in. TVIS SUCKS

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whoops.. idk ---- about toyotas... he has one of the 20 valves too...

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thats a hell of a story, i cant wait to see the progress. sounds very interesting

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oh baby
hybrid frenzy

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I love it O0. You know you could put a galant crank and stroke it out while the motor is out. Should be a fun project. :y

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a galant crank? your a tool.

you need a 4g64 crank out of a might max or d50.

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I could just get a shortblock from a 3g eclipse spyder and bump it up to a 2.4 or also from a dodge evenger also. I'll just stick with the 6 bolt that I know will give me what I want and no hybrid ----....for now.

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i know the 4g63 bolts right up to the mitsu mighty max tranny why dont you just do that ?

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I used to know a guy that had a really fast 2gen eclipse, all I remember was him telling me he had a sc61 turbo 1000cc injectors and a galant crank he said it storke it out. When he launched the thing look like the front wheels where going to come up. So shoot me if I don't know a lot about dsm's, I was just going but what I had heard and seen.

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The supra tranny is stronger and finding a MM tranny is kinda hard. Going with the supra tranny I use all stock parts as clutch flywheel throwout bearing...daa daa daa...etc. Not only that, it's a cable clutch and not hydro as that's what I need. Here's everything about the rwd tranny choices on 4G's
http://www.projectzerog.com/transmissions.shtml

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A Megasquirt would cost you a hundred more than a new AFC, and require less wires than the silly Mitsufeces ECU.

Silly Injun, you should have asked me for advice. ::)

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That ---- will be badass :y

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JD, never said I was getting a new SAFC. I can score one locally for 100 24/7 on a local DSM forum. I've never setup a standalone or even what to do about a basemap. I apologize for not asking the one and only JD. Please forgive Mr Davis :'( Though you approve a 4G from like a SR or anything else under the 1000 price range in the 4 cylinder family?

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I say you yank the 4g from the galant and slap that puppy in. :P

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and do what...push my 3300lbs daily driver to work? I'm beefy but not Hotrex/barry bonds style, Dano. lol.

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Yah, I think you picked the right engine.

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word i just thought i would let you know i figured you could get one at a junk yard for next to nothing then not have to even worry about all the adaptor stuff. i know the mighty max tranny will hold 300whp. but i dont know what your power goals are sooooooo. there are some in the $350 range on car-parts.com

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350!!! Damn local yard charges 75 for trannies and 150 for any longblock. 4G's are hard to find in the yards here though :-\

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henry's a gangsta O0

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you can find mighty max/d50 trannies for $75 then why wouldnt you save yourself a heep and go with one

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Eh, MM transmissions are good for "300 whp" in their usually found configuration: 2100-2300 lb pickup with no weight in the ass end so wheelspin keeps the transmission from dying super quick. You put that into a 2500 lb Z car and will reap the unreliability of a couple hundred extra lbs and a whole lot more hook.

I say run the Supra transmission. It's ------- cake to make over 300 off a stock 1G 4G63, a local DSMtard with a bad attitude did 362 off an AFC and now thinks his 3600 lb convertible is god, if that guy can do it there is no reason you can't do it and then some. You'll need a decent transmission to lay that power down.

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this is a good point i've only seen it done in the trucks nuthing else. my buddy had one in phoenix he did spin alot but still pulled pretty good total sleeper. there use to be a good video on the net with some guy who did the 4g63 swap on a 4x4 mighty max i'll try to find it

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Once you see a gutted sawzalled 2400-2500lb Eclipse/Laser/Talon handing out ass from a dig and not tearing up transmissions you come to the startling conclusion that less weight is easier on the drivetrain.

:)

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If only the mitsu engineers couldn't of realized that....some engineers. ::) Would of been better off sticking the drivetrain from the Stealth/3000Gt. But I'm selling leftover ---- from the L28 like hotcakes since I posted it just yesterday. So this week I should be able to buy my bell housing. >:D Picking up my complete longblock and wiring harness in a few hours. ProjectzeroG.com is becoming extremely handy with all the info there. ALot of it is Conquest guys though with narrowblock 4G's though. Bitchass...that MM with 4G is on there not to mention like 2 guys with 4G powered E30 beemers.

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Looks neat.Once your done i'll post this on some dsm forums.

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Not to mention finding a mighty max in a junkyard. Their not the most common thing in the junkyard around here atleast. I have a bigger clutch selection. Yeah the D50 came in a few more models I'm just not a big fan of it though. I'd rather pay a little more and get something decent that has more support. One more hour till I pick up my 4G! Can't tell that I'm easily amused by simple things. lol.

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I really like where this project is going.4G63 is a great motor if you turf everything surronding it,Toyota tranny and all in a old Z car.I think that is close to a perfect combo. :y I think the Toyota tranny is a good way to go they are dime a dozen and should hold at least 400hp i think.How much power you planning on making?

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We need more pic's ;).

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the non turbo supra trannies ar a closer gear ratio i think

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Helllllllooooo new engine!

no engine harness yet as the it was still in the shell and it was a ------- nightmare trying to get it out. He said ---- it and he'll get it to me later as he'll take out the dash and heater core. We wasted like almost 2 hours trying to get the harness and in the end I didn't even get it. lol. Once I get it up on my stand I can tear off the unneeded mounts and ---- off and get it down to the basics and take a wire wheel to the block. Then shoot a coat of paint on it.
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....and kids....this is why you should wear flip flops moving heavy ass 4G's.
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It ain't no thing though. ----'ll buff out and I just walked it off. :6 The fun was getting it out of my wifes Chevy Venture by myself as the wife is ready to pop out the kid. So I took a big breath and went Hotrex on that fucker lifted out. >:D Now that's how you get that ---- done.

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Thats one fucked up toenail to begin with. LOL, what gen Supra you need a tranny from?

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damn, you must have roided up cause i have moved single cam aluminum blocks, but a dual cam cast iron is just crazy

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I couldn't believe it either that I lifted that fucker out and then toss it on my skateboard/engine dolly and wheeled it into the garage. It was like those stories you hear about people lifting cars off of people from like an adrenaline rush. I'm surprised I didn't turn green and rip my clothes and go incredible hulk style lifting that thing.

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Oh out of curiosity, who all has setup a standalone as wiring it and that whole ball of wax? I'm thinking while I have the money I could just go for a MS setup over using the stock 4g ecu and a safc.

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Not really harder to wire up than an AFC, go for it ;)

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It's all in how you setup megasquirt.


By default it uses GM sensors (IAT, etc). When I was interested in megasquirt you had to use a easytherm or some program to accept different sensor brands.



Talk to diyautotune or whatever that place was. They can help you with everything you need.

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switch sensors to honda, and run an obd1 ecu.

end of problems!