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burkej62 03-07-2007 09:29 PM

need some old school muscle help
 
So, after much debate I gave up guessing what motor was in my nova, so i went and got these numbers.

I got 3970014 another spot says 6 8 74 and another spot says T5 CONV2

Anyone have a clue?

I have an idea but i am more than curious

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:31 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
gearbanger should know this, ill get him in here

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:33 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
what year nova is it?

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:34 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
69-77?

its a 350....with 2 or 4 bolt mains. if that helps. dunno if you need more specific than that

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
the block casting 3970014 is a 350 block, most likely 4 bolt. could be bored out and whatnot


Originally Posted by burkej62
Holy ka-pow batman that was fast!

im a speedy mothafucka!

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
is it still a inline 6 or u throw in a v8?

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:43 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
if v8 could be a 350 or 396 if u know for sure its a 350 block

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:46 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by gearbanger67
if v8 could be a 350 or 396 if u know for sure its a 350 block

tyler when are you getting the goddamn chevelle finished you ----------er. Quit working on the pos big bird yellow mustang and get that fucker done. Then im going to steal the drag truck and race you. Or race you in the chrysler...woot woot

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:48 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by burkej62
Thats just it, I don't have the slightest idea what it is, other than a small block. Birdman says 350, everything i find says 350. Can you tell me anything else about the motor or should i find more numbers?

its a 350 block, but the problem is we have NO idea what year or anything else. Know what it came out of? that would help. if you find the year/generation of 350, you can just order parts for any old school muscle and it would work just fine. Guy tell you anything bout it?

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:49 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
im gunna say 350 cause thos are most common in novas in that year, only other thing it could have is it is bored out which i doubt it is

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:50 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
73 74 were known for 350s

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 09:54 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by gearbanger67
73 74 were known for 350s

your useless. go back to the 289.


Originally Posted by burkej62
They may have been known for 350's, but this didn't come wiht one of them. This was an inline 6. This motor was pulled from who knows what and put in there , before I got it. I am curois to idea it . So far we have figured it's a 350 for certain, but from what? 2 or 4? High and low HP?

i shall search

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 09:57 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
power can range from like 200 to 400 hp depending what is has in it

BirdmanMD 03-07-2007 10:02 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
http://www.thedirtforum.com/castings.htm

birdman ftw

2 bolt mains, 210-300 horses

Dr.Boost 03-07-2007 10:02 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
It's a 350.




















:P
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gearbanger67 03-07-2007 10:03 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
i mean mod wise like is it a bone stock motor i ment

gearbanger67 03-07-2007 10:09 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
only thing to determine the bolts is to basically tear it down cause i have never heard of any way to tell without just tearing it down if anyone knows a way to know without let me know

con 03-07-2007 10:11 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
wow its like watching two retarded kids play :S

Dr.Boost 03-07-2007 10:12 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
So, what motor is in the car?
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turbostd 03-07-2007 10:22 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
the number on the pad infront of the pass side head will tell you what it was out of. also try and find out what heads are on it.

hatrack48 03-08-2007 02:39 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
wernt there a few 327's 305's and even the 265 v8.

AMkrew 03-08-2007 03:29 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
Pull the pan. Look. Measure.

By the way, what are you planning to do with the info that you gather? Hopping it up? Rebuild?

I'll bring my boss the numbers you gave us, and ask him.

-josh-

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 03:38 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
wow gearbanger is a ton of help LOL

if you know the block is from a 74 camaro, all 74 camaros came with 350s

one had a 4bbl (155hp/245tq)and one had a 2bbl (145hp/250tq)

both had a pavement punishing 8.5 cr


J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by highroller54
wow its like watching two retarded kids play :S


turbostd 03-08-2007 03:39 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by hatrack48
wernt there a few 327's 305's and even the 265 v8.

There was a 267 (4.4l) small block in the 80's too in some novas and camaros. When I got my 79 GMC 4X4 thats what someone had in it :S a 110 hp V8 dosent move 5000lb of truck too good lol

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 03:41 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by gearbanger67
only thing to determine the bolts is to basically tear it down cause i have never heard of any way to tell without just tearing it down if anyone knows a way to know without let me know

tear it down????

drain the oil and pull the pan off and look at the main caps

turbostd 03-08-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike
wow gearbanger is a ton of help LOL

if you know the block is from a 74 camaro, all 74 camaros came with 350s

one had a 4bbl (155hp/245tq)and one had a 2bbl (145hp/250tq)

both had a pavement punishing 8.5 cr


Nope they had a straight six too :P
1974 Camaro Engine & Drivetrain Info
CID Config Bore & Stroke BHP @ RPM Torque @ rpm Comp Carb.
Base 250 L-6 3.875 x 3.53 100 @ 3600 175 @ 1800 8.25:1 1V
L-65 350 V-8 4.00 x 3.48 145 @ 3800 250 @ 2200 8.5:1 2V
LM-1 350 V-8 4.00 x 3.48 160 @ 3800 250 @ 2400 8.5:1 4V
L48 350 V-8 4.00 x 3.48 185 @ 4000 270 @ 2600 8.5:1 4V
Z-28 350 V-8 4.00 x 3.48 245 @ 5200 280 @ 4000 9.0:1 4V

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro74.html

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 03:43 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
my mistake i looked the 75s i was just about to correct myself..

thanks :p

turbostd 03-08-2007 03:45 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
my mistake i looked the 75s i was just about to correct myself..

thanks :p

np :P

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 03:46 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
btw, the yellow one is hot.... lol

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/1974/74camad2.jpg

Bone1 03-08-2007 04:46 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
pray the motor was a "truck block"......they were about all 4 bolt mains.

I'd did out my older SBC program info, but it's on a 5.25" floppy, know anyone that has a AppleIIe?

Smith-02 03-08-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mista Bone
pray the motor was a "truck block"......they were about all 4 bolt mains.

I'd did out my older SBC program info, but it's on a 5.25" floppy, know anyone that has a AppleIIe?

5.25 drives and cables will plug into an x86 based mobo if you get the right cable ;)

AgentMurdoc 03-08-2007 06:10 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
it's a d-series

fork 03-08-2007 06:41 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
in the time it took me to decifer this cluster ---- I could have pulled the pan and found out if it was 2 or 4 bolt mains. Go get your hands dirty and work on the damn car throw go fast parts at it till it blows up because a block costs about 200 at the most, and the crank is the only thing that is possibly worth a damn and you wont break that. I've given away 4 bolt virgin 350 blocks because I needed the room

BigBird 03-08-2007 07:40 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
Aren't the 2 bolts actually stronger than the 4 bolts? Unless you take a 2 bolt and machine it to a 4 bolt diagonally? Just something I heard somewhere.

turbostd 03-08-2007 07:43 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by brine04
Aren't the 2 bolts actually stronger than the 4 bolts? Unless you take a 2 bolt and machine it to a 4 bolt diagonally? Just something I heard somewhere.

On the 400s the two bolts are stronger

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 07:48 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 
how do you figure?

turbostd 03-08-2007 08:03 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
how do you figure?

Just something ive been told you know how that is though :P

JonDouglas 03-08-2007 10:14 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by burkej62
All stripped now ;D


The heads say 333882 and 6-8-74 which must be the date, as it matches the block .

The other block number says 014817


It's a 2 bolt. i think . what exactly am looking for.

Well if all five of the main caps only have 2 bolts that attach them to the bottom of the block then it is a 2 bolt main block. Pretty simple.

The 882 heads are at least a decent head to work with. They do fairly well with a mild port job and a quality multi angle valve job.



As far as the 2 bolt 400 blocks being stronger goes. It is pretty common for the main webs to crack with the straight 4 bolt main arrangement, especially on a block that is generally used witha a longer strike that in turn puts more stress on the main webs. Most of the time the preferred approach is to get a 2 bolt 400 block and convert it to a splayed 4 bolt main setup.

But again, it is just what I have heard. :P

J-SMITH69 03-08-2007 10:27 PM

Re: need some old school muscle help
 

Originally Posted by snm95ls
Well if all five of the main caps only have 2 bolts that attach them to the bottom of the block then it is a 2 bolt main block. Pretty simple.

The 882 heads are at least a decent head to work with. They do fairly well with a mild port job and a quality multi angle valve job.



As far as the 2 bolt 400 blocks being stronger goes. It is pretty common for the main webs to crack with the straight 4 bolt main arrangement, especially on a block that is generally used witha a longer strike that in turn puts more stress on the main webs. Most of the time the preferred approach is to get a 2 bolt 400 block and convert it to a splayed 4 bolt main setup.

But again, it is just what I have heard. :P

the 400 in my dads camaro is like that :)


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