my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

hey yall im new to this forum but i been readin on it for a week or so...
yesterday i got a free turbo off a 300zx plus the wastegate and injectors<-- can i even use those? and i got a free intercooler off of a probe, and a bov and manifold off of dsm will that mani work? anyways i got a 95 civic ex...

i was tellin my auto tech teacher i got all the stuff to do it with now ( pretty much )
and he asked me if i had a spare engine cuz mine was about to mess up. i showed him the site and he had that look and said " good luck " will i need it? someone please calm my nerves and tell me ill be OKAY!

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Dude your about to get slaughtered.....go read ...ALOT.....then ask questions , oh and look up the "noobs" thread that's pretty recent.....dont say i didnt warn you....

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I smell fire in here!

watch out for the flamming! :6

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

wtf is flamming? is that kinda like jamming? :l

Anywho bro, do your setup correctly, tune it correctly, dont get cocky and up the boost past a reasonable amount and you should be okay.. make sure your engine is in good working order first though. :6

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kill your teacher.

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I bet he is a domestic loving, mullet wearing, traillerpark living, cracker....lol

Kidding asside, if you do it right, and tune it right, it will be fine. Look around, almost everymember, well almost every Old school member has done and currently drives an HMT setup.

With good tuning, you will be fine. Check your engine's compression, make sure it is running strong. You can't use the DSM manifold on your D16. I don't think you can use the injectors either, maybe someone else can verify this.

Everything else is good. Read some more on Engine Management to determined what you want to do on your budget.

The most important thing is for you to read and do your research first. Once you understand how everything works and you need some clarification ask questions.

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Your teacher is a ------- dumbass. Is this really what our public schools are comming to, having morons teach our kids? ::)

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It's been like that for awhile actually.

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yes there IS a chance of ------- it up unless everything is done right.

tell you teacher to sign up so we can jump him :y.

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HA ha... You should see some of the looks I get when I tell people I have a turbo off a Mustang. They just can't figure it out. The concept just confounds their tiny brains...

"How in the heck do you bolt up a Mustang turbo to a Honda Civic!"

(Read that and add a little drawl to it) :S

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This is the HOME of ghetto-rigged turbocharger setups. What teacher on Earth would agree with any of you in that his student is going to be fine building a turbo setup based on the stuff on this site? I mean, seriously, one of the first listings in the Tech Projects section mentions blowing up an engine within the first day of it running on boost. Teachers can't condone this kind of project because of liability concerns. It's better to be saying, "I told you so" if he fucks it up.

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It also say's that he didn't use any fuel/timing management or intercooler.

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No, you can't use a DSM manifold. And yes, your teacher is a dumbfuck.

When you showed him the site he probably saw some of the setups and how they can tend to look ghetto, and he assumed it functioned like it looked. Tell him that these turds can be polished, but his job will always be a piece of ---- no matter what. :l

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Yes it can be hazzardous to your engine, but hey its cheap, so who cares?
Do it correctly and smite him.

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

I think he is right YOU can't safely turbo a car. The rest of us can though... :S

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First off, you gotta understand you just can't throw on a turbo and a set of injectors and go...just doesn't work that way. Keep reading a little while and you'll see a bunch of different options. As for the injectors you never mentioned what year car they are off of. I'm pretty sure you can't use them though. I did a vg30 swap in my old nissan pickup truck, and I remember the injectors looked completely different than a honda set.

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haha own3d ;D

yeah i showed my auto instructor my setup (he worked on volvo's almost his whole life) and he just looked at it with the most confused face i've ever seen :S

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what u have there is pretty good.
all u really need to do, in other words is complete the system by
connecting the pieces together...manifold>turbo>intercooler>intake manifold...
the turbo just needs a downpipe(5 bolt flange) and ur set(one that is made for ur car
and bolts up to the turbo)...u should also find some piping to connect ur intercooler to
the compressor side(u might want to get an intercooler that makes installation a lot easier)
and then piping from the intercooler to the intake manifold...however the items
that u have will work except the dsm manifold and the injectors(unless u know where they came
from)...the rest u should be able to use...any other questions?

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your teacher doesnt even know anything about cars.... remember this,

quote from csaddict...... " those who cant do.....teach..."

how true it is too. my hvac teacher for my d-2 license is a dumb ass,

you neverlearn in class, you learn from your aprenticship. class is just a requirement you must sit through.

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wow yall are really good at flaming huh? ya my teacher is one of those mullett wearing
muscle car loving "rednecks" but hes got a turbo'd 2.3ltr ranger that runs at 20+ psi of boost his truck is banned at the strip around here for having a rear wheel drive import?
they just basically got pissed that they couldnt beat a truck with a engine a third there size, and he fab'd the whole thing his self too. hehe revised and just said "good luck" he knows it can be done (ex his truck). so where can i get a mani for this app.?
i have been reading on this subject for a while and knew it can be done. i just believed my teacher cuz he hasnt steered<--(sp) me wrong too much. oh and also i couldnt get the damn turbo off i have only two more bolts left on the mani. i got this black guy to flip the car over with a tractor... seemed to make it easier but its still provin to be a bitch anyone know any tricks?

p.s. i was gonna show my teacher yall's post but would prolly make him cry >:D

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oh ya and so the turbo on the 89? 300zx single turbo only runs at 5psi of boost max?
so i wouldn't even need the wastegate huh? also does anyone on here live in ky?
meeting someone that can help me with this in person sounds appealing.cuz i got infinite many questions and limited amount of research.
also if i want more psi of boost all that's needed is forged pistons,cams, and lifters rigth? and would sleeving help incase i ---- a piston? also i heard the stock gearbox only holds up to 230whp in my 95 civic ex, should i be looking for a gsr gearbox?
i know that turbo should only put me around 175 whp but im shoot in for around 210.
and i def. want a lot more tq. im also im gettin this engine of a 95 del sol it's vtec is it also the d16z6, and if i'm gettin a free port and polish sooo will that help turbo wise?
and help is much appreciated.

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actually im not sure what year it is i researched on ebay motors but and they dont look
exactly like it :-\ it has t-tops and a hood that opens the opposite from most cars
the hood also has vents, and that's pretty much all i know about it does any one know what turbo this has or even what year it is?

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lol, no that 300zx turbo runs 5psi because its wastegate is set at that. you already should have a WG. its the round thing with the rod sticking out of it. best way to describe it. should also be on the back of the turbo.

and if you research this site, you could very easily make a nice homemade set-up out of those parts you have. there are a few people around the site who sell nice manifolds for decent prices and from the way i see it...since you really havent had to put much $$ into the set-up, you could spend the $$ on a decent manifold.

for those injectors, its not the injector of choice. You could get the tuner toys injectors and pretty much plug and play with them. alot of HMT set ups use mitsubishi "blue top" 450cc injectors. Your wire harness will need to be modified a little if you want to go this route.

I highly suggest you read all of the stickies and get real confused (because you will) then research everything you are confused on. From there, you could easily create a nicely boosted honda. Its not something you can just wake up and do on a weekend though if you have no previous experience with it all.

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Trust me when I tell you - RESEARCH. This board is jam packed full to the gills of all the answers you could possibly have questions for. Spend a few weeks. YES WEEKS looking at other peoples setups and reading posts. After that, you'll have no problem creating a shopping list and a plan of action. If you play your cards right, you can easily do it for <$1000

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1) The turbo runs at 5psi because it has an Internal Wastegate that sets it at that point, so you do need that wastegate that is connected to the turbo, just like Junyard said. Without that wastegate the turbo will probably run an infinate amount of boost, well as much as the engine can give it before blowing up. There's more into this but that's a basic run down.

2) For more boost you basically have to build your block, pistons, rods and bolts with a nice headgasket, is a basic build. Sleeving is optional. It all depends in your HP goals. If you want around 200 Whp, that's probably 230 or so to the crank, you don't need to build your engine.

3) The stock transmission can hold more than 230. Your axles will break first. But llifetime warranty axles, and $50 transmissions are not bad. Now the stock gearbox will hold more than that. Clutch will need to be replaced.

4) GSR gearbox, tranny and axles, will not fit your engine, d16z6. They are out of a B18 engine. Read some more.

5) With good tuning and 10-12 psi you will reach your goal of around 200whp. Torque qill be close to the HP number also.

6) DelSols came with both the same d16z6, and a B16 DOHC Vtec engine. Check which one it is. If it is the same as your and you can get it cheap, keep it just incase you have a little "accident" on your first setup and blow it up. If it is the B16 sell it to me ;) ;)

7) A good Port will increase air/gas flow, so it will help, it's no like you will get an extra 50hp boost, but it will help.

8) Read some more

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

That motor was blown up in what? ------- 1998??? turbo'd imports have come a long way since then :S


Ok im going to throw you a little bone here and make a rough parts list for you:

Turbo with internal Wastgate
Turbo manifold
Turbo gaskets
Bolts for turbo to manifold
Down pipe flange
Exhaust Flexpipe
Intercooler
2.5" pre bent piping for intercooler and down pipe
DSM 450cc injectors
Bosch style injector clips
Resister box
Blow off valve
Blow off valve flange
Oil line kit
Weld in O2 Bung
Silicone couplers
Hose clamps for couplers
Boost gauge
Vacume line for gauge
Vacume "T" fitting

If im leaving any thing out feel free to correct me ;D

Now research these items one at a time and figure out where to get them at the best price and you should have most of the stuff to turbo your car except fuel management.

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your teacher is garbage,. i could turbo a civic for 500 bucks and rip your teachers wife to shreds in the back seat of it.

go ---- yourself

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LOL

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its such a good thread ;D

more MORE!

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when he said go ---- yourself is that really necessary in the preportion of my turbod d16? if so then gladly, ya this is a hell of a thread and im learning more and more frolm it... epecially the parts list helped out a lot.. thinks for throwing me a frickin bone here i really needed it... i got a couple ppl helpin with the project they built a 2.3ltr turbo mustang that ran 7's in the 1/8th, that project was supervised by the mullett wearing redneck, i think he just dont think i can cuz it wasnt stock for turbo. i guess this will make my english teachers happy cuz i got a lot of reading ahead. any one been to
www.lukeka9ilburn.com and seen his set up and that mani he made will it be hard to get someone to do that is like a little shop? fuel management = fuel injectors / chipped ecu or both + anything else. also by tuning do you mean on a dyno and if so is there a site to look for dyno's around my area. i saw a mobile dyno running around town im gonna check it out. ty for the posts pls keep them comin'! ohh and my friend said if i get him that whole engine off the 300z he is gonna get me a sei turbo? or something off a supra plus the wg is that worth it? i need to keep up researching huh?
well cya ,
special steve

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i cant beleive anybody even replied to this thread. why would you waste your time! when i read posts like this i make a not to look for a few months later to look for this member's name to start a thread that says. "Im stucK" or "I give up" or "why is my motor smoking?" who cares, this should have been ended at "go read a little more" done and done!

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

---- off and die. :y

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

who are you???

and you. who are you?

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

who am i?? certainly not a moron who rocks a cavalier with a solid rear axle out of a soccer mom Van and lower control arm bushings that pop out every 15miles. great choice for a race car, loser!


owned

Re: my teacher says that i cant safely turbo my car at any psi...
 

Actually your a pimply faced 15 year old who gets insecure about himself and has to attempt mocking out actual good hmt cars because you suck at life.

Get the rope.

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HAHAHA thats funny???? I suck at life?? wow i take that to heart...oh wait no i dont. i was only the youngest licenced mechanic known to man. oh and thats not by your shitty american SAE standards either! second off i checked out this forum, thought it would be interesting but all i see so far is a bunch of ------ back yard mechanics welding control arms into place. this site should be called back yard engineering.

not to take away from the good guys on here, ive seen some pretty nice fabrication but some members, keep it up, but you bunch of kids who try and weld cars together. YOU suck at life. not that i blame you, ya cant learn much or build anything nice on your salaries working at mcdonalds.

and none of the big corporations could figure out why i wouldnt move to america to come run their shops for 100 grand a year??? look at the breed of idiots in your country. keep on welding those control arms.

M - I - C - K - E - Y M -O - U - S - E sing along now.


here ill do myself the favor and ban myself from this site. i got a feeling if i stay on here my career is gonna go down hill!
ill just keep building turbo set ups the right way. hey if you ever want a proper turbo set up....actually no, Dont bother, i like the clientel in my shop. enough said!

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see thats funny because neither i nor anybody else have seen ANYTHING youve built, so until you start either posting up some projects or things youve made you need to stop shitting on other peoples cars and setups. Yes, and im sure you are the youngest mechanic known to man, and it shows. Not only do i not work at mcdonalds and never have, i make very good money as well. Ill keep my semi-halfass turbo setup, the money in my pocket, and all the timeslips of the people i smoked at the track last time i went too, i dont need your opinon or advice, and neither does anybody here, so give APC a call, theyve been dying to hear from you

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wow, thats a hell of a reply i think this should be a general : if you arent going to reply something producitve or helpful then you should'nt reply at all it's a damn general waste of bandwith.
i had some more questions ohh here it is... for 200whpo which is better the dsm turbo or the turbo off of the 2.3 mustang? both in relatively good shape...
also im prolly goin to be selling 2.3turbos pretty cheap so hit me up if your interested or im just gonna say ---- IT! :P