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j3w 11-29-2008 10:50 PM

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is it just me, or is this completely ------- dumb. all that work for 10hp (if that)? it looks lovely, but why?

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4138919

BigBird 11-29-2008 11:33 PM

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From my experience vdub fags as we call them are more about looks than anything. Not sure why he would want an intake mani with such long runners and no plenum on a car that makes good torque but suffers to rev.

That Guy 11-29-2008 11:42 PM

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Oh yeah yeah long runners, looks pretty ballin. Id rock that if i was blind and thought i needed no plenum :1

Loki 11-30-2008 12:30 AM

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Looked cool till he painted it red :3

MustangC. 11-30-2008 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Loki
Looked cool till he painted it red :3

cant own a VW if you dont paint parts in your engine bay to match the exterior.

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
is it just me, or is this completely ------- dumb. all that work for 10hp (if that)? it looks lovely, but why?

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4138919

You can't stop fapping to that site, can you?

j3w 11-30-2008 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
You can't stop fapping to that site, can you?

i'm helping a local 17 year old kid "tOOn" his gt28'd passat, which he fabbed up and put together himself... everyonce in a great while there is some brand/sensor specific info on there, and i came upon that while searching. i fap to the eternal failure that is the 1.8t, not the vortex.

MustangC. 11-30-2008 02:40 AM

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i hate VW kids, most of them are complete retards. ive noticed they are more interested in doing things to be "unique" then anything else. i remember a few years ago someone posted a link to some queer who painted his calipers burberry or whatever the ---- one of those faggot designer things basically he painted his calipers with a plaid pattern. i later found out he was local to me.

jinxy 11-30-2008 03:21 AM

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His ------- charge pipe is the same diameter of his intake runners. Brilliant.

Mk4Turbo 11-30-2008 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoreyR
i hate VW kids, most of them are complete retards. ive noticed they are more interested in doing things to be "unique" then anything else. i remember a few years ago someone posted a link to some queer who painted his calipers burberry or whatever the ---- one of those faggot designer things basically he painted his calipers with a plaid pattern. i later found out he was local to me.

99.9% of the car owners here have nothing "unique" about there cars? who the ---- wants to drive something that looks exactly like everyone else. I'm not saying i condone getting some ------- body kit but damn to hate on every little thing is ------- retarded.


Originally Posted by CoreyR
cant own a VW if you dont paint parts in your engine bay to match the exterior.

awesome 2 stupid ass comments in one thread. How many people here have color matched parts on their cars? exactly

also please explain to me how the 1.8t is fail? throw rods in it and the bottom end is good for 500+hp? and thats fail? versus all the bullshit that has to be completely built here to make any amount of power? for more then a week. on a mild tune a 1.8t can make around 200whp and over 240wtq....yup that must be a shitty motor.

zrCREAM 11-30-2008 05:34 AM

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die. a friend owned a 1.8t and it seems like it was broken more than my dsm was.

rudebwoy 11-30-2008 08:04 AM

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I am starting to get into the VW scene with the purchase of my 92 shitrocco . they seems like a very easy car to work on except when it comes to modification, everything is so akward, and no aftermarket support for the CIS engines.
since I've owned mine I've tried 2 trannies with different issues, this time I have no reverse, I bought it with a bad tranny, I am on tranny 3 . I am bidding on another on ebay germany #4. its a nice car to drive, I like it better than my 98 audi a4.

swartz 11-30-2008 12:39 PM

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That is obviously useless and retarded...There are plenty of amazing vws. Any car company has its hardcore real tuners and its jokers.

Econo-Box 11-30-2008 12:44 PM

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I like my dub. I Love the fact that I've had my car for over a month and have yet to see any other passat my body style, but I hate getting asked "When are you gonna toss some ecodes in it or textured euro bumpers?"

Its like when you buy a Volkswagen you HAVE to slamm it all the way down and then Euro everything. ::) Maybe im wierd but i just like driving the damn thing.

MustangC. 11-30-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
99.9% of the car owners here have nothing "unique" about there cars? who the ---- wants to drive something that looks exactly like everyone else. I'm not saying i condone getting some ------- body kit but damn to hate on every little thing is ------- retarded.

awesome 2 stupid ass comments in one thread. How many people here have color matched parts on their cars? exactly

also please explain to me how the 1.8t is fail? throw rods in it and the bottom end is good for 500+hp? and thats fail? versus all the bullshit that has to be completely built here to make any amount of power? for more then a week. on a mild tune a 1.8t can make around 200whp and over 240wtq....yup that must be a shitty motor.

awww someones butthurt. no suprise, you own a VW. if it was a honda i was bashing you wouldnt have cared im sure.::)

youre on the wrong site if you think people here care about being different. honda tech has a nice appearence and cosmetic section you might enjoy.

and your going to compare building a honda to building a VW? sorry dude, honda will make more power for less money more reliably. so all it takes is pistons and rods in a 1.8t, what the ---- do you think is required to make 500WHP+ in honda? not to mention a 500whp honda will run circles around a 500whp vw

j3w 11-30-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
also please explain to me how the 1.8t is fail?

the shittiest flowing heads in production today, coil packs that ---- the bed at will and leave you stranded, a ridiculously terrible oil sludge problem, a timing belt that breaks before 60% of the factory specified interval, a complete lack of end user tuneable software (except for lemmiwinks, which is akin to performing brain surgery with a shotgun), an intake manifold that is too small from the factory stock, 250$ spare keys... and they're slow as ----.

that's just off the top of my head, i just rolled out of bed. do i need to go on?

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
the shittiest flowing heads in production today, coil packs that ---- the bed at will and leave you stranded, a ridiculously terrible oil sludge problem, a timing belt that breaks before 60% of the factory specified interval, a complete lack of end user tuneable software (except for lemmiwinks, which is akin to performing brain surgery with a shotgun), an intake manifold that is too small from the factory stock, 250$ spare keys... and they're slow as ----.

that's just off the top of my head, i just rolled out of bed. do i need to go on?

No, VW died in the early 90's as far as I'm concerned. The last decent engineer there stuck on for a while and designed the VR6, but when no one was interested in making a real transmission he went over to Toyota.

swartz 11-30-2008 02:07 PM

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If u cant appreciate an engine that is fully built, with a turbo or supercharger making twice the stock hp or any car done right then i dont see how you are a real car enthusiast. Doesnt matter if its a honda, vw, dodge,fiat,mini, or a motorcycle or airplane or anything. If we are in search for HP and tq then any motor done right gets my respect

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by swartz
If u cant appreciate an engine that is fully built, with a turbo or supercharger making twice the stock hp or any car done right then i dont see how you are a real car enthusiast. Doesnt matter if its a honda, vw, dodge,fiat,mini, or a motorcycle or airplane or anything. If we are in search for HP and tq then any motor done right gets my respect

Most Honda engines can make 2.5 to 3 times stock power... without removing the valve cover. Toyotas are similar to better, depending on the engine. The Mazda B6 platform. Mitsu's venerable 4G63... I could go on. Funny thing is most of these engines can handle more than that on an entirely stock part build if the engine is clearanced accordingly.

This is HMT where we cut the ---- and get to the essentials. If the engine is expensive as ---- for poor performance and reliability we ---- all over it. ---- what you do with your respect; it is ill spent. :3

j3w 11-30-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by swartz
If u cant appreciate an engine that is fully built, with a turbo or supercharger making twice the stock hp or any car done right then i dont see how you are a real car enthusiast. Doesnt matter if its a honda, vw, dodge,fiat,mini, or a motorcycle or airplane or anything. If we are in search for HP and tq then any motor done right gets my respect

are you insinuating that the 1.8t is fully built?

BigBird 11-30-2008 05:04 PM

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Anyone I know always makes fun of jdm parts but at the same time they are all about euro parts and dual round grill swaps.

Mk4Turbo 11-30-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CoreyR
awww someones butthurt. no suprise, you own a VW. if it was a honda i was bashing you wouldnt have cared im sure.::)

youre on the wrong site if you think people here care about being different. honda tech has a nice appearence and cosmetic section you might enjoy.

and your going to compare building a honda to building a VW? sorry dude, honda will make more power for less money more reliably. so all it takes is pistons and rods in a 1.8t, what the ---- do you think is required to make 500WHP+ in honda? not to mention a 500whp honda will run circles around a 500whp vw

are you ------- dumb or just smoke rocks? have fun trying to get any torque out of your honda. Also being different isnt completely about the exterior. This site used be about doing your own thing and making it work. The more and more i'm here all i see is off the self parts getting thrown on and alot of ------- retards adding to the bunch. This shits gone down hill in the past 2yrs.

Mk4Turbo 11-30-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
the shittiest flowing heads in production today, coil packs that ---- the bed at will and leave you stranded, a ridiculously terrible oil sludge problem, a timing belt that breaks before 60% of the factory specified interval, a complete lack of end user tuneable software (except for lemmiwinks, which is akin to performing brain surgery with a shotgun), an intake manifold that is too small from the factory stock, 250$ spare keys... and they're slow as ----.

that's just off the top of my head, i just rolled out of bed. do i need to go on?

slow as ----? HA with a wopping $500 in my motor i romped every local car. From built na tegs to mustangs....damn yup they sure are slow....
coil packs are no ------- problem if you change them out when your supposed to. I've never had a single problem and my latest 1.8t has over 100k on it. Also still on stock timing belt which is in great shape.
Also i think most would be willing to pay $250 for a spare key(which isnt what they cost) if it makes your car that much harder to steal. You dont see me having to wire up a kill switch.

swartz 11-30-2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Most Honda engines can make 2.5 to 3 times stock power... without removing the valve cover. Toyotas are similar to better, depending on the engine. The Mazda B6 platform. Mitsu's venerable 4G63... I could go on. Funny thing is most of these engines can handle more than that on an entirely stock part build if the engine is clearanced accordingly.

This is HMT where we cut the ---- and get to the essentials. If the engine is expensive as ---- for poor performance and reliability we ---- all over it. ---- what you do with your respect; it is ill spent. :3



Everybody knows your stock b16 sleeves are going to crack at 300whp




BigBird 11-30-2008 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by swartz


Everybody knows your stock b16 sleeves are going to crack at 300whp




Try 550whp being beat on for quite awhile. For how much more you have to pay for rods, pistons, cams, and headwork over what it costs for a honda i can do the same build and have sleeves for the same money.

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
slow as ----? HA with a wopping $500 in my motor i romped every local car. From built na tegs to mustangs....damn yup they sure are slow....

I should hope you can beat solid 15 second cars.

Well, some of those are 16-17 second cars, but I felt like being generous.


Originally Posted by swartz


Everybody knows your stock b16 sleeves are going to crack at 300whp

First off, a B16 is a faggot engine; useless in every way. Secondly, those sleeves are good to more power than can be laid down by anything smaller than a 24.5" slick, but detonation will kill anything.

You win uneducated tard of the year award, friend. :1


nascarfan 11-30-2008 08:07 PM

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how much does it cost to get your ecu flashed?


swartz 11-30-2008 09:02 PM

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lol sure...im not defending 1.8ts at all. Just learn to respect all quality work. And those homemade intake manifolds on that vr6 are far from quality although i guess the whole point of this website is to be ghetto for the most part

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 09:59 PM

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Not ghetto, thrifty.

VW... ---- yeah!

j3w 11-30-2008 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
slow as ----? HA with a wopping $500 in my motor i romped every local car. From built na tegs to mustangs....damn yup they sure are slow....
coil packs are no ------- problem if you change them out when your supposed to. I've never had a single problem and my latest 1.8t has over 100k on it. Also still on stock timing belt which is in great shape.
Also i think most would be willing to pay $250 for a spare key(which isnt what they cost) if it makes your car that much harder to steal. You dont see me having to wire up a kill switch.

you're a typical fanboi faggot, i can tell that much. i've built 3 different 3-400 whp 1.8t setups, and 3 single cam D's from 280-400 hp. the honda's are by far a more reliable platform, with cheaper parts and better tuning options. the fact that you talk about beating an N/A teg tells me so much about you.

oh, and how much is it on planet fucktard to get a new key cut and coded? shut the ---- up, before i really begin to open up on you. i promise you i will dance ------- circles around you on the mkiv platform. it's a piece of dogshit, bar none. my dd is a 340 whp 1.8t beetle, so i have a little bit of reference here.

before you say another word, post time slips, dyno sheets, or vids. if you can't, don't come back.

j3w 11-30-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
also please explain to me how the 1.8t is fail? throw rods in it and the bottom end is good for 500+hp?

what good is a bottom end if the head flows about as well as molasses in alaska

Tom-Guy 11-30-2008 10:37 PM

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Dyno sheets? I have one of a stock sleeve B16 I retuned for racegas last week. 8.5:1 CR, Skank2 stage 2 cams, T67.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...0Boat/amir.png

- Yellow graph is 4th gear 26-27 psi.
- Red graph is 4th gear, cuts off early because it hit 30 psi boost cut, would have been an easy ~510 if she was allowed to hit 30 through redline.
- White graph is a 5th gear pull to induce as much spool as possible (like hell I'm street tuning a 475 whp vehicle) to make sure the EBC closedloop system works correctly. As you can see it was a little too responsive as boost hit 29 psi and then dropped to 24 psi.

FYI, the dyno I use corrects all numbers for 1:1 gearing by comparing rpm vs wheelspeed. Pretty cool.

GhostOfDr.Boost 11-30-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
i romped every local car. From built na tegs to mustangs...

I'm not jumping on the Honda/VW debate, but that cracked me up.

Carry on.

J-SMITH69 11-30-2008 11:06 PM

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VW has never made a car that i've liked. hitler mobiles

http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/.../nazi-flag.png

nascarfan 11-30-2008 11:34 PM

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i would like to know what you bought with 500 dollars? ::)
fastest i have ever seen a stock turbo mk4 is mid 13's

jinxy 12-01-2008 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
you're a typical fanboi faggot, i can tell that much. i've built 3 different 3-400 whp 1.8t setups, and 3 single cam D's from 280-400 hp. the honda's are by far a more reliable platform, with cheaper parts and better tuning options. the fact that you talk about beating an N/A teg tells me so much about you.
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oh, and how much is it on planet fucktard to get a new key cut and coded? shut the ---- up, before i really begin to open up on you. i promise you i will dance ------- circles around you on the mkiv platform. it's a piece of dogshit, bar none. my dd is a 340 whp 1.8t beetle, so i have a little bit of reference here.

before you say another word, post time slips, dyno sheets, or vids. if you can't, don't come back.

He probably owns a ------- Revo'd mk4 with a swiss cheesed airbox that him and his VW ("fau vey", not "vee dub", god damn it) stick their twinks through and give each other handies.

Süßes Auto, Schwuler.

j3w 12-01-2008 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rawr
Süßes Auto, Schwuler.

Kommen von Mann, der celica treibt

MustangC. 12-01-2008 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
are you ------- dumb or just smoke rocks? have fun trying to get any torque out of your honda. Also being different isnt completely about the exterior. This site used be about doing your own thing and making it work. The more and more i'm here all i see is off the self parts getting thrown on and alot of ------- retards adding to the bunch. This shits gone down hill in the past 2yrs.


OH NOES!! NO TORQUE!!!

only faggots talk about mad torques and ----. that and people with slow cars. go cry somewhere else. hondas>volkfagens. thats not even fanboi talk thats straight up truth that anyone with half a brain can agree with.

keep being different. the rest of us will keep building cars that make power with minimal effort and dont have to get hit on by guys every time we go out with the car.

Jcushing 12-01-2008 01:12 PM

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you vw fanbois are getting all your honda info from some local retards that run ebay turbo kits i guess, cause you have no clue what your talking about

oh and TQ at the crank is completely irrelevant, its TQ at the wheels thats important...

you guys can keep your made in mexico, brazil, guatemala pieces of crap...

the only ones worth a ---- are the ones made in germany and they stopped making the golf based vehicles there in like the mid/late 80s

scottsi 12-01-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mk4Turbo
are you ------- dumb or just smoke rocks? have fun trying to get any torque out of your honda. Also being different isnt completely about the exterior. This site used be about doing your own thing and making it work. The more and more i'm here all i see is off the self parts getting thrown on and alot of ------- retards adding to the bunch. This shits gone down hill in the past 2yrs.


Lol, Corey's car probably makes almost 500lbs of torque.


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