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Tom-Guy 05-02-2006 08:32 PM

Re: machine work
 
Det is most prevalent at tq peak, not high rpm. Now google turbine pressure curves and watch your blood pressure rise.

JDMFantasy2K 05-02-2006 10:01 PM

Re: machine work
 

Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Det is most prevalent at tq peak, not high rpm. Now google turbine pressure curves and watch your blood pressure rise.

meaning? ehaust mani pressure vs. intake mani pressure ???

Tom-Guy 05-03-2006 04:42 AM

Re: machine work
 

Originally Posted by JDMFantasy2K
meaning? ehaust mani pressure vs. intake mani pressure ???

Yup. What exhaust pressure is like as the turbo spools, during operation at various pressure ratios + various rpms, etc.

baldur 05-03-2006 05:38 AM

Re: machine work
 
There's the most heat buildup at high rpm though

Tom-Guy 05-04-2006 12:04 AM

Re: machine work
 

Originally Posted by baldur
There's the most heat buildup at high rpm though

How? The cylinders fill less, so there is less heat produced per cycle, but the piston skirts are seeing just as much contact area to transfer heat out of the chamber.

You're going to have to explain that one to me.


baldur 05-04-2006 04:03 AM

Re: machine work
 
There's less heat produced per cycles but there are a lot more cycles.

Tom-Guy 05-04-2006 08:31 AM

Re: machine work
 

Originally Posted by baldur
There's less heat produced per cycles but there are a lot more cycles.


Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
The cylinders fill less, so there is less heat produced per cycle, but the piston skirts are seeing just as much contact area to transfer heat out of the chamber.

???


Vizard did a big fat lot of work on detonation in the 70's, really extended on Ricardo's ---- and published it both for engineers as well as diseminated it to the laymen as best as possible. Long story short, there are three factors that directly relate to detonation: heat, time, and density. In high rpm Honduh operation, density is lacking - check Random Asshat's thread about his dad's car @ 17 psi - 465 whp, 279 tq, perfect example. In high rpm operation time required to both transfer heat (as well as detonate) is lacking.

The heat generation itself isn't as great as at naturally occurring aka not boosted peak torque, where detonation is most prevalent due to greatest cylinder filling at the lowest possible rpm aka highest dwell time. Since combustion speed of isooctane based fuels stays more or less proportional to piston speed, there isn't a higher "duty cycle" of heat generation vs heat dissipation in high rpm operation vs lower rpm, for a given tq.

It's a shame I took down Ricardo's High Speed Internal Combustion Engine, you need to leech + read it. Ask SiShane on HT if he still has a copy, leed here might, otherwise I will get it to you.

baldur 05-04-2006 01:42 PM

Re: machine work
 
More fuel gets burned at high speed, hence more heat .

Tom-Guy 05-04-2006 04:04 PM

Re: machine work
 
Burn takes less time, so there is less time for it to transfer to the engine before going out the exhaust. Thermodynamic transfers are functions of time. Also, as exhaust density goes up combustion chamber surface area remains unchanged... 95 percent of those hot exhaust molecules never come in contact with chamber surface to transfer that "more heat from more fuel" which is incorrect anyway as fuel follows tq not hp and rpm. Go ask for the 75 year old basic engineering text already, spoonfeeding basicknowledge into the Grand Canyon is getting tedious.

JDMFantasy2K 05-04-2006 04:06 PM

Re: machine work
 

Originally Posted by baldur
More fuel gets burned at high speed, hence more heat .

and i assume that's why pulling in 5th is bad ???


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