LSD Intercoolers?
 

Hey guys, the search function isn't currently agreeing with my old computer I'm currently on, so I've got a quick question. Basically I'm getting ready to start putting my kit together and I'm looking at intercoolers. A quick look in the classifieds and I found that LSD Motorsports (88 TurboCRX) is now selling intercoolers.

Here's the dilemma, there are two kinds and sizes:

http://lsdmotorsports.com/pictures/L...be-Fin_250.jpg
Dimensions: 27 x 3.5 x 6.25
Core Size & Style: 18" Core (Bar and Plate)

$165 Shipped

http://lsdmotorsports.com/pictures/L...r-Plate_25.jpg
Dimensions: 28 x 2.5 x 6.25
Core Size & Style: 21" Core (Tube and Fin)

$155 Shipped

Here's what I want to know, which one would fit better, and which one is the more effective design (bar and plate or tube and fin?). Has anybody used these before? Surely somebody has considering the price.

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Just realized that I posted this in GD, probably should have gone in FI :-[

Oh well

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In general Bar and plate is more efficient than tube and fin.

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Can you elaborate on why?

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Dam, that first one is sexy. 3.5" core? hot dam.
Man, the price of IC's have come down ALOT over the past few.

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I know it, I was shocked when I saw the price for that. There shouldn't be any issues fitting either one of those under the bumper of a CRX should there?

Anybody ever install a 3.5" IC in a CRX? Pics?

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bar and plate hands down.

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yea i def. go with the bar and plate... i dont think you will have much trouble fitting it behind the bumper of a crx also... just the basic trimming and ----... youll find a way to make it fit for that price its steal....

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id go with bar and plate man, 165 is a good price for one, or just pay 130 shipped for a cca fmic u kno. i think a cca would be plunty for your goals u told me, and they look sick in a crx front bumper, fit pretty good i think, u would have to ask dave i guess thow, about choping and all :P

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I know what every ones going to say. I am just saying this because I build/sell intercoolers but thats not true. I dont want to see people buy something and be sorry latter. The bar and plate VS tube and fin thing is such crap. It doesnt matter wich one you get as long as its good quality core with the correct internal fins. I dont know what these units are or how/where they are made but most of the cheep intercoolers coming out of China that you see on Ebay are extruded core. This is the cheapest easyest core to make. It eather has almost no internal fins or the straight fins that do nothing. these units look like intercoolers but they dont remove very much heat. Your turbo makes a lot of hot air, the intercoolers job is to cool it down. Cheep China units wont do that. Know what you are getting before you buy. We use top of the line american made tube and fin core with stagered and louvered internal fins. Our coolers are 87% efficient. On a PT Cruiser turbo that was just tested one of our 6" units pulled the air temp down from 189 degrees to 82 degrees on a 70 degree day. I am not saying these are bad units or that they are made in China. I am just saying you should find out before you buy.

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bah.. FMP for life.

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I am not trying to "help" anyone on their sales nor i am trying to kill anyones sale by pushing them down. ;)
As some of you might know i work in a shop where they sell turbo stuff, turbos, WGs, FMIC and such. I work with similar intercoolers everyday and i know exactly how the constructions and internals are.

On the one with tube and fin cores, it IS extruded core, which is the exact same style core that Greddy intercooler uses. Greddy does not use it for no reason nor they are trying to go cheap by using cores that does not do the job.

As of the one with Bar and plate cores, I`ve seen people made over 800 AWD wheel horse with the same core(a 12 inche tall and 3 inche thick IC) without any problem, the end tank is still cool to touch even after hard runs.
I`ve also seen a few Maxima pushing 350+ wheel horse with the exact same bar and plate Ic he`s selling.

I `ve swithed from IC that has internal fins to one of these bar and plate ICs, didn`t notice any performace difference, endtank is still cool to touch like it did before but i did notice better thottle respond and a tiny bit quicker spool up time.

;)

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I wouldn't say Greddy in general is out to be the top of the line. Most of thier stuff is hyped up chinese ----.

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Bar and plates were superior when it came to efficiency do to the fact that it has those turbulators inside. They mix the air around so that it all gets cooled. Cheap tube and fin cores either have no turbulators, or perfectly straight ones which don't do crap, so the only air getting cooled is the air on the edges that is touching the aluminum. Now a lot of tube and fin cores are implementing some turbulators on the inside to up their efficiency. Not sure how well they work as I have no experience with them, but I'd imagine they are a bit of improvement over the old ones with no turbulators at all. Ask for some pics of the insides of the cores and see if their tube and fin cores have turbulators.

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cca all the way nukka!

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the cca that ive seen wasnt that great of workmanship, but the core was nice

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mine was fine, welded great ect ect...you musta baught an ebay version lol

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nope straight from cca, the mounting plates were welded on crooked, the welds were half-ass grinded down and it was half assed polished aswell

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i fit a jrc 8" in my crx. had to remove the stock bumper support. made a new bumper support and mounted the intercooler to it.

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Thats funny. We dont polish intercoolers.

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owned

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Agreed, I've never heard any complaints about CCA intercoolers prior to this.

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own3d indeed

Besides, id rather buy from cca becasue theyre the only company on here that auctually posts, keep peole updated and give discounts. I rarley see toher sponsers post, and wwhen they do post its only on teh FS forum in thier own thread... :-\

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I'm going to have to disagree with you there, what about stealthmode?

I've seen 88 TurboCRX posting in GD and other forums helping members out often. He's posting all the time, but let's not turn this into a post count war or a "who's the most OG of them all" war.

Let's keep it on topic, so far we've established that bar and plate seems to be the weapon of choice because of little turbulators that mix the air up and cool all of it. Anybody else have anything to add? Has anybody successfully fit a 3.5" intercooler into their CRX (with pics)?

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ok, stealthmode and craig are an exception...comon now...

But like, CCA is muich mroe trusted i feel in my opinionthen LSD or JRC, though alot of people use JRC, which is fine. Im just sayin, id ratrher give my business to someone whos been here a while, goes out of thier way to keep poeple informed and such.

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Both CCA and LSD are great people and you can buy from either.


With CCA being a manufacturer, and LSD being a retailer, I think both of them have a place in the market. Make an informed decision and buy something.

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Damn he ------- owned you. ;D

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thast why im ordering my cca from on tues.

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I agree, but I still have more faith in CCA for the facts of, they make thoer own, sell thier own, know about them inside and out, can help you out in every way, and have been around here for some time now.

But dont get me worng, the toher companies prolly ahve stuff just as good, im not tryin to dog them, just givin my opinion thats all.

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To answer this. My Audi Core was 3.25" thick. I had to rim a little, but it fit in fine. The only thing you might find it that due to it being longer, when the bumper curves in, it might hit, my new intercooler at 2.5" gave my this problem.

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lmao. Nice :D

If I were to go with an intercooler, I probably would go with CCA. It's been proven to be a good intercooler time and time again so hey, that's cool by me ^-^

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omg i was owned by someone that still uses geocities :'( ::), whatever the welds were still half-assed and the mounting tabs werent even straight

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You said you got the intercooler straight from CCA which obviously wasn't so becuase he doesn't sell polished intercoolers. Therefore it probably isn't a CCA intercooler. Your setting yourself up to get owned again becuase you obviously didn't get it straight from CCA like you said.

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Well you are mostly correct. It doesnt matter whether its bar and plate or tube and fin. Either one can have tubulators, no tubulators or extruded(straight) tubulators. It just depends on which one you get from the manufacturer. There are only about ten core manufacturers world wide. This stuff is very difficult and expensive to manufacture. The price of the core depends on the effort it takes to manufacture. Obviously the low price China intercoolers use the cheapest core possible. They get the bar and plate because that's what everybody wants, but they get the cheap bar and plate with extruded tubulators or no tubulators. Brand names mean NOTHING. Spearco, Greddy and countless other "brand name" intercoolers all buy their core from the same people I buy mine from. The only true test of an intercooler is temperature drop and pressure drop. It is physically impossible to look at an intercooler and tell if it's a good unit or not without knowing the core design and its' vital statistics.

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i just got my cca today, it has alot of tubulators or w/e, i can see how it cools the air, i like it alot better than most intercoolers ive seen on the market. it has a nice fit in most hondas, fits perfect in my bumper, although i wont be turbo for a while, since i decied to take the safr route and build my motor. but the quauily is nice from cca, u can tell there professional welds, nicly cut endtanks and what not. its one of the better "NAME BRANDS" out there, haha, it is a name brand so what now 8) :P

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In your experience, how well do they work? Is their efficiency about equal to a bar and plate? I'm curious because they seem to cost a lot less then bar & plates. And if you can get damn near the same results outta it for less money, well then who doesn't want that!

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We have tested our SRT-4 tube and fin unit against the other guys SRT-4 bar and plate units. For half the price, our units perform exactly the same or better at the track, on the street and on the dyno. Many customers have made this comparison as well. We get Emails all the time saying My buddys got a Greedy/Speerco/AIS/PSI-FI unit he paid $750 for and I got yours. We went to the track and ran the same times. And as an added bonus the tube and fin core is lighter.

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do you have any pics of what they look like on inside the tubes?

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I will try to cut down some scrap core to show you what I am talking about.

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i've personally ordered 4 intercoolers from anthony in the past on 4 seperate occasions and not one was less than perfect. i find it a little hard to believe the intercooler you speak of came straight from anthony and rene'. hell, the last one i ordered was almost a year ago, so i doubt his craftsmanship has gotten anything but better over time, not to mention, like anthony already mentioned, he doesn't even polish his intercoolers at all. just fess up, you bought it from somebody that told you they got it from cca ::)