J-SMITH69

all i said was no one will take you seriously.

i agree about the Israelis, who says we havent?

the admin. feels its a better policy to try and negotiate with NK. we tried to neogotiate with Iraq for 10+ years. it was in our interest to take our saddams government and create a government that would be friendly to us. an Iraq democracy is a gleaming light in the middle east, and other countries WILL follow w or w/o war.

a war with NK is not out of the question and is entirely possible in the future.

taking our leaders does not stop the problem. others will lead if they are killed. all the terrorists, their organizations, their homes, training grounds, money, communications, ext must be destoryed. killing or capturing bin laden would be a huge moral booster for us, and a huge loss for them. esp his money. but someone else would take over and there would still be a terrorist threat.

you are too black and white on this issue. the war on terror will last a very long time, and its being fought in everyway possible, and lots of ways you dont know about. and their are men conducting it that know much more than me or you or anyone else that isnt in the know.

unless you want to join me and grow a beard and goto pakistan and kill a bunch of people. im in.

Doofnoil

rabble rabble rablble!

somebody will get this.

rabble rabble!

MikeJ-2009

I'd be glad to. Our country is part of the U.N., which had these things called weapons inspectors that were inspect anything they thought might be where WMD's were being produced by Saddam. Saddam repeatedly would deny entry to many places even though he was under sanctions to allow them to inspect anything they wanted.
After many years of playing these games, you would think Saddam had something to hide. The 19th resolution stated that if Saddam were to refuse inspection one more time, he would be subject to military action.
As we all know, he did refuse again, and the U.N.'s words mean absolutely nothing. They threatened him with military action, but didn't do jack ---- about it.

If Saddam hates your country, and you think he's building WMD's and refusing the inspections, you better do what you threatened. The U.N. is a bunch of -----'s, and we are part of the U.N. They didn't intend on really doing any military anything to him, but we did, and so did the British, and a host of other countries that are a part of the U.N. AND HAVE THE ***** TO THREATEN AND ACT.

All of this happened to go down after 9/11 and our whole deal in Afganastan. All of a sudden it's "Bush's war" that he just decided one day he was going to send hundreds of thousands of troops there because "he just wanted to". Yet everyone forgets about the other countries that are there also fighting in "Bush's war". Why would all these other countries decide to just join him for no reason? Now you know.


You're welcome.

d16y8crx

i see your point, but what was the urgency to go over there? was there proof that there was immediate threat? couldn't we have waited to wrap up the mess in afganistan before going in to iraq? it seems the taliban are making a resurgance, we probably should've done somethinga bout all of them first.

MikeJ-2009

The hurry was that of course Bush wanted Saddams ***. He was itching to get into Iraq. The plan was that everyone (in the U.N.) was going to go in, but the U.N. itself kept bitching out. Bush said "---- the U.N., I'm going anyway to do what we said we were going to do, who's with me?"


It just so happened that all of this was during the 9/11/Afganistan thing, and Republicans let Democrats push the whole "This war is just Bush starting wars" thing without reminding people of what really happened.


None of it will matter though when I'm President. I'm telling everyone to ---- off.

racerex

I think you're missing the point BD. The idea that this is real life just intesifies the fact that you don't put a leader out in war. Even if he is only a figure head. And absolutely Bush could be replaced by another. But there is a reason that there is a plan for succesion in the first place. Leadership is essential, and whether we like him or not, if we place our leaders in harms way we set ourselves up to lose our government that our forefather fought to establish.

And as for no terrorists being in Iraq, I find it ironic that as I read that I overhear on CNN that Al Queda's Iraqi leader is claming responsibility for the London attacks.

jinxy

theres terrorist all over the middle east, north east africa, russia, all the old russian countrys that broke off, here, the uk and the rest of the world. theres terrorist in saudi arabia. but no one says ---- about them bcause taunting saudi arabia (who we beleive also have comunications with terrorist orginaztions) would end up being very bad, with there being able to cut off almost all of our oil supply. so that wouldent be very good millitary stratagy. and as for fighting terrorist. were not completely. theres terrorist that have came in from other countrys to fight along side the iraqis. but were realy fighting aginst millitants (hey we had our own "terrorist" ever heard of the sons of liberty? They were considerd terrorist by england and preformed terrorist acts by hanging inncent tax collectors and english sympathizers, oh ----. do you mean america was founded by terrorist? and we killed people over tax money, not even religious beliefs) who arnt nessicairly informed on why were there, eventhough we drop packets and ---- "informing" them on what were doing. im sure they dont nessicairly beleive it, nor would i. expecialy if i was younger and just saw a bunch of U.S. soldiers strolling up the street scared shitless watching people from my country be killed with a 50 caliber bullet from some guy shooting at any potential threat he sees from the turret. im sure that kids not going to like the U.S.A a whole lot when he grows up. hrmm..... im sure its not going to be hard to get that kid to join up a muslim extremist group if he doesnt start one himself. so do you think that by throwing together these sloppy, mis-guided, mis-informed attacks we might accualy be CREATING TERRORIST. oh no, but that could never happen. you just shoot some terrorist over there plant some flowers, say were sorry, elect a new president, blame the trouble on the old administration and everthing will be all right. but thats not going to happen that way. kind of like getting a stain on your shirt. then attempting to rub the stain out with a napikin and water and just smearing the stain around making it larger insted of just cleaning it right the first way. but its done now. we already attacked. theres no use arguing about it it happend and its over blaming everything on bush isint going to get ---- done. even if he did lie theres 100 senators that had a say in it and a ---- ton of Representatives so he would have had to change a seirous amount of intelligence to sway that many people. its all checks and ballances. if you all vote, stop voting for the senator whos name you know, or who has the most lobbyist and corporate funding. stop listening to abs cnn cbs fox news ect there not news companys, there entertainment business. they make there money off how entertaining there news storys are so there lilkey to change there information to make it more appealing, and everyones biased so yeah ---- happens. i could lay out my whole point of veiw on what i beleive should have happend. but it would be pointless since you would all argue it to the ground mis quote me and stand by your opinion even if you were wrong, because no one likes to be told there wrong expecialy when its about somthing they beleive so strongly in and most likely has ties to there personal beleifes, emotions, and mores. arguing about it on a fourm does help some things. it helps you get it out, helps you througly think through the subject matter, and hopefully helps you learn a few things. and i still beleive we could have gone about this "war on terrorism better" . and yeah my writing style is choppy, deal with it. you get nothing more than a half *** ruff draft. and this isint nessicairly directed twards RS. its twards everyone

bitchasscracker

WHO CARES THEY ARE BRITISH

chinoy

Dude Im not on anything. Coke lol never seen it. Thats for the movie stars and rich kids.
Lets just say Ive had enoughf. Of being called insensetive to minority sentiment.
My stand is Ill be sensetive to minority sentiment when people show some sentivity for my ears.
This is a pointless argument with a guy Id probally like and enjoy having a beer with dont serve any purpose.
Im all about live and let live. You have your space I have mine. Jst dont try to invade my space. On a dailly basis.

End of the day.
The Americans at least had the ***** to show the rest of world the midle finger and go wadling into Iraq. How ever stupid and absurd the reasons.

Lets just hope. WHen they figure out where Bin Laden is they will go wadling in and pick him up.
My dad flew Mig 25 spy planes and they had pictures of training camps. in POK
When they passed it on to the CAI Pakistan's excuse was oh those are just freedom fighters.
Thankfully after 9/11 when these same guys attacked the US the term freedom fighters got
bined.
The US must be a great country if they let Michel More make 9/11.
Poor Daniel Pearl was killed while on the money trail of the 9/11 fundings.
Who remembers how close he was to the truth and the price he had to pay.

Simple fact. Its absurd that we guys. Who know so little of what the real score is can argue with each other. Im pretty sure. Nobody has a clue as to what the real facts are. Just how bad its going to get before it starts geting better.
On a score of 1-10 lets just say most guys in this argument including myself arent even a 1.
You may think you know. But you dont.
So I wont argue anymore. ANd beg you guys dont spoil good friendships over something stupid somebody said.
To the guy who posted than Bush and Blair for this.
Dude they would have done this anyway.
Whats going on has nothing to do with Bush, or Blair, or Sadma or Iraq.
Ps: I fail to see how some Iraqi Guy defending his own country against a foregin invasion can be called a terorist.
The really funny part.
America goes into afganistan to get rid of the Radical Taliban and setup Democracy with their man.
First election they hold a radical gets elected.
How funny is that.
Ps: Peace out guys.

ibby

"You have your space I have mine. Jst dont try to invade my space. On a dailly basis" .... ?
i hope that aint pointed at me

You all love bringing pakistan in

I love being british
shussshhhhhssssss ... go back to ur little conrner,