bigdaddyvtec

I own you on H tranny knowledge JD...

Rosses car destroys B trannys making 400ish Tq..... The H2B argument is hype \ story. MNot to mention they ---- tranny cases more often than do the H ones.....



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I know more about a pile of honda failure than do you, you could always look at it that way.


Try and remember that the original reason people strated going H2B WASNT the H trannys weakness and the B series SUPA DUPA strength..... It was gear ratios.

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In closing, go feed yourself a cockmeat snwich and chase it down with a glass of baby batter


Bye....

Random Hero

I've heard of that, but I think it has alot to do with new engines and metal shavings.. The journal turbo's don't seem as affected by ---- in the oil.

Tom-Guy

Well, one of the GT28R failures could be attributable to trashy oil. The engine held together for a couple thousand miles on the street and a summer of running 7.7's in the 1/8th, but it died of an oil starved #4 and a whoooooole lot of bearing material floating around. OTOH, the Blueridge car ate some mains from running an Eagle lightweight crank at the 700+ whp level and it's GT4094R is still kicking. It's also not breaking anything aside from two FDs, we were doing 800 whp 500 wtq 5th gear passes on the dyno with it recently because that was the only way we could get it to have traction past ~750. Uhm, log mileage on Spikers new setup and I'll log mileage on BRMS' already beat on setup starting today. I'm sure Spiker won't make any more torque than 500, and will experience many more transmission failures.

Like I told Spikey-wikey on the phone, Goforth goes through his gearbox a couple times a year, but it's due to catching a gear wrong. If he mis-shifts, he doesn't even try to put the box into that gear, just goes ahead and loads the car on the trailer so he can take it fix it before he destroys the gear. So far he's broken one FD.

Maybe you should talk to a certain site member about DSMs, how their shift cables aren't adjusted properly and in truth came incorrectly adjusted from the factory *before* cable stretch set in, and how it has caused the majority of all DSM transmission failures. Cable shift... that sounds familiar. Hrm.

bigdaddyvtec

I unbderstand as we talked about, but im not missing gears (EXCEPT THE LSD box that got stuffed into 2nd instead of fourth at the top of third... LOL :1 though now IF I do, maybe ill heed what youre saying... Its not like I cant R&R the **** quickly...)... Not having an issue GETTING into gear (cables are adjustd correctly), and when Ive taken it apart not had anything other than TEETH broke off of the 2 and 4. Hardly a shifting issue.

I ODUBT the cables are the issue (although ive considered it, and talked to some EVO clowns about it. (along with the sequential setup)). Its not even debatable... Honda didnt exactly plan for an ACCORD to have 6-700 HP and make 450-500tq... Let alone with how I drive it. ALLL the time. The car makes a pass every time i get a chance to put my fat foot to the floor...

Like Ive saaid, Ive accepted it as the price I pay to have the car I want, and not a gay *** CRX, Hatch or integra.. Alas the discussinon of the gay B tranny has bored me to the point of all I hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH. The ONLY reason people were doing it was forthe more desirable gear ratios, which turned into ITS SOOOOO STWONG!!!!!!!....


Ive seen plenty of B trannys blown up in Ross and Joels garages alone. Cars making power with people that know how to drive.. Gofrths car is a STRIPPED CRX (although hes mildly plump as well... FARRRRR from a 3000 pound behemoth with a mildly retarded Ogre driving it that has a club foot.


DSM

You cant spell dissapointment without DSM

Tom-Guy

Acknowledged, but catching the gear when the clutch pedal is released too quickly and catching the gear when trying to force it in are B-series problems. Rossnoggin wants to say B-series are no stronger... uhm, okay.

I want to take this opportunity to repeat that your failure to shatter 3rd, located at the center of the stack, does not refute my theory that the case is flexing (along with the main and countershafts). The case flexes under a ---- ton of power because holy ---- the main and counter shaft do... despite that the main and counter shafts are held in place by the case and the bearings. Any shaft held at either end is mechanically going to flex IN THE MIDDLE and if there's a gear there it'll be prone to bending away from that gear. Anything to the outside of the stack like 2nd or 4th will bear the brunt of shaft misalignment (caused by case flex) without having that stress sufficiently alleviated by shaft flex.

I am wholeheartedly an H2B fan, but given the pile of forged goodness you have laying around I really recommend you reinforce the case before you go that route - if my "weak case flex" hypothesis is correct it's your cheapest way out. If I'm wrong... meh, what's one more gearbox rebuild? Less than nothing in the big picture.


Your car doesn't have the traction of any of the cars I'm comparing it to. These cars spend far more time at the track in a month than you've ever spent, sorry. People look at a fast trailered car with worked (rigged?) suspension and think it's fast, period, but after a certain point they are slow on the street. The Eggum car on DRs vs a drunk on a moped - my money's on the moped.




You are an ignorant *****, Brian. Stripping the interior of a CRX results in OMG A FIVE POUND LOSS IN WEIGHT. I am serious, take the rear plastic and carpet out of a CRX and experience being completely underwhelmed by the fruits of your labor. After the cage and misc ---- that car wieghs 372 lbs more than it had off the showroom floor, as it sits 2150 lbs without a driver.


If that weren't obviously sour grapes - fatties can't fit into CRXs - I would have you banned for that statement. As it is, good luck getting leed to return your calls. Us CRX owners hate shittalking fools like you.

bigdaddyvtec

Im ignorant HAHAHAHA youre funny. A funny guy... Fungi?? Of some things, alot of things... Indeed you are correct... But USUALLY Ill ask of those whom I may think have more experience... UNTIL they make painfully evident they know not of that which they speak. Tis is tyhat point for you nad the H vs B debate.


You sir, are incorrect. Itys ok

I would run Goforths car on the street. No problem, might lose (and i wouldn t bet on that either), but another fact you have failed tro acknlowledge is taht my car gets beaten, profusely, on the street, to a degree of magnatude more often than any of the track cars you have mentioned thus far. Im not trying to say youre stupid Joseph, just biased and stuborn.....

As well as dissillusioned it seems...

As for the CRX statement... I fit in one, but it looks funny... Not flattering for the car nor myself...... HOWEVER, IF I were to put my motor in something else, it would be a 88 SI, but its not going to happen. ANyways, your argument (or pathetic attempt at a character attack-you dissapoint me) that a crx is 'heavy" at 2100 Lbs made me chuckle....

***** You copuldnt be more creative than that Jesus.... you make meh sad.. As any attempt to say that I dont warrant it is just a failure of immaginagtion, inititive, and execution on your part.... I enjoy your attacks that atleast involve 3 clock cycles fo your brain...


SO much for improved sensory development.... at least this year... Did you see that coming




Best go eat some wheaties... Ill wait for Ross to finish you off....



Go toon something.

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Better yet go shoe yourself

bigdaddyvtec

Broke third on the straights genius...


Comprehension (or caring) owns you

Random Hero

JD, your good people, But sometimes you just dont read or maybe comprehend what the ---- is going on on the west coast where real men make power in real womanly cars, so get off the 2100lb madness, I've broken every single b series gear in a b series case MORE then once. I have built AND RAN with my own hands more then you... Having a little elbow grease like you do into them and claiming know all goforth all is just starting to wear old. put his setup in a 2650+lb car w/o driver and then start talking tranny's to me. We have had BOTH THE B AND THE H INPUT AND COUNTERSHAFTS TESTED FOR FLEX AND THE H ONE IS STRONGER, THE H GEARS HAVE ALSO BEEN TESTED TO THE B'S AND AGAIN H STRONGER, ITS THE SHEEER FACT THAT THE ENGINE IS IN A 3000LB CAR AND HE BEATS IT LIKE THE CAR IS ON A MEGADRAGSTRIP.. this is getting old.


I know i know, my little rant here has so many holes in it. But its just that i'm overwhelmed by the ignorance online anymore and I dont want to type a ----------ing 3 page reply to someone that STILL wont get it and thinks they know about this massive issue. I've personally talked to more then enough people to back up the claims.

Yes, the ------- case flexes.
Yes, The H gears are infact stronger (and a few mm wider)
Yes, I know it all



I wish i could help you JD but sometimes the bandwagon just takes a brick of H2B and slaps you in the face with it... Does it burn?


Remember, The bush.

Random Hero

This thread makes me wish we could sit down at a small round table, enjoy a beverage of choice and have a few sets of gears on this small table and a few precise tools to show you what you don't know.

Keep it R.E.A.L.

Tom-Guy

Busted.


Pronounced sagging on the driver's side will do that to a car.


Immaginagtion. Right.


Those are the straightcuts, Brian, you were on the phone pondering why 3rd never went out on you. Durrrr. It's pretty obvious by the way you have to remachine every gear Saenz sends you, and their repeated breaking, that they have that ---- made in china and then sell it to you at a "hookup" 400% markup.



Well, Spikey-wikey was easy.


I still hate you over that voicemail. You're a douche.

And you run a full second slower because of it, as well as suffer drivetrain problems.


He's the only one aside from Wes who I see a couple times a week who pushes any limits, and I get satisfactory/rational/logic input back from. I'd tell you about Wes, but staged injector 13:1 CR LS + 200 shot on a stock rod is out of place for HMT. The BRMS car... meh, there's so much money thrown at the thing I don't know what to say other than forging everything down to the oil drain for $5 million flat out works. If you want to give me something fresh to chew on you need to tell me about:

First I've heard of it. Have any hard facts and figures? Spare no details, I do have a degree in machining I'd gladly bet money is worth more than Vadim Golubev's. (No, I don't think much of it)


Ask Brian, I only do this to get him riled. And, apparently I get you riled too - icing on the cake. The only thing you've said that has affected me the least bit - emotionally or otherwise - is that you had ---- tested, and you didn't share it with me. I'll kick you in the dick for that, if I ever meet you.