iowa
01-06-2008, 03:18 AM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Yeah, and nobody gives a ----, because that's not the topic that was brought up. The topic was that we're taxed way too much for what we don't get. ----, I don't even want anything, just leave me alone.
What the democrats propose, or what some rich guy pays in taxes isn't the issue. The issue is that our socialist country (the one you keep defending) is bullshit. If a guy makes 100 bazillion dollars and pays 3 million a year in taxes, I DON'T GIVE A ----. What I'm saying is that if I pay even $1,000 a year in taxes, that's $1,000 I don't get to spend, on my family, my life, my pursuit of happiness. Get off your class warfare bullshit and your defense of our government ------- us (and the god damn rich people who didn't hire you as thier lawyer) (and also don't give a ---- about you) and get with the program. We're ALL getting screwed, and it's because people love defending the government when their parties clown is in the hot seat.
If your argument is that the rich guy gets screwed more because he pays more, fine, but the bottom line is when Stevemode gets taxed $1,000 it effects me. When the rich guy makes a bazillion and pays 3 million, he's not fazed. Numerically he's getting screwed harder, yes, but here in the real world, I'm getting screwed harder. Step out of big government Republican talking points and come hang out in America sometime.
What the democrats propose, or what some rich guy pays in taxes isn't the issue. The issue is that our socialist country (the one you keep defending) is bullshit. If a guy makes 100 bazillion dollars and pays 3 million a year in taxes, I DON'T GIVE A ----. What I'm saying is that if I pay even $1,000 a year in taxes, that's $1,000 I don't get to spend, on my family, my life, my pursuit of happiness. Get off your class warfare bullshit and your defense of our government ------- us (and the god damn rich people who didn't hire you as thier lawyer) (and also don't give a ---- about you) and get with the program. We're ALL getting screwed, and it's because people love defending the government when their parties clown is in the hot seat.
If your argument is that the rich guy gets screwed more because he pays more, fine, but the bottom line is when Stevemode gets taxed $1,000 it effects me. When the rich guy makes a bazillion and pays 3 million, he's not fazed. Numerically he's getting screwed harder, yes, but here in the real world, I'm getting screwed harder. Step out of big government Republican talking points and come hang out in America sometime.
all i said was the "rich" pay almost all the income tax which is true.
no one wants to pay income tax, huckabee has the fair tax which is in a better direction...
01-06-2008, 03:50 AM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by random-strike
once again you go off on a rant that has nothing to do with what we're talking about
all i said was the "rich" pay almost all the income tax which is true.
no one wants to pay income tax, huckabee has the fair tax which is in a better direction...
all i said was the "rich" pay almost all the income tax which is true.
no one wants to pay income tax, huckabee has the fair tax which is in a better direction...
he says he wants to get rid of the irs.. but youll still pay taxes in the form of a fair tax or w/e
ron paul wants to get rid of the irs.. and the income tax.. and replace it with nothing
01-06-2008, 04:01 AM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by buk9tp
fair tax will have you paying the same amount of taxes
he says he wants to get rid of the irs.. but youll still pay taxes in the form of a fair tax or w/e
ron paul wants to get rid of the irs.. and the income tax.. and replace it with nothing
he says he wants to get rid of the irs.. but youll still pay taxes in the form of a fair tax or w/e
ron paul wants to get rid of the irs.. and the income tax.. and replace it with nothing
thanks though
01-06-2008, 04:41 AM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by random-strike
once again, i said it was in a better direction.
edit: you're to HMT political debate what john madden is to monday night football
01-06-2008, 06:23 AM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by johnmichael
how is it a better direction? i had almost 20k in taxes taken out this year. if the same amount comes out under fuckabee, how is that an improvement in any way?
edit: you're to HMT political debate what john madden is to monday night football
edit: you're to HMT political debate what john madden is to monday night football
the "fair tax" is a sales tax. so you wouldn't automatically pay the same, and at least you would have a choice to pay or not.
like is said, its a step in a better direction, not the best thing...
01-06-2008, 01:28 PM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by random-strike
once again you go off on a rant that has nothing to do with what we're talking about
all i said was the "rich" pay almost all the income tax which is true.
all i said was the "rich" pay almost all the income tax which is true.
01-06-2008, 02:54 PM
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Re: iowa
I probaly was wrong sayin' that the middle class pays a large portion of the income tax in this country. But you have to look at it this way...what percentage of the population is middle class and what percentage is the upper class?? Even if they are paying MORE TAXES per person(household), if the middle class makes up a higher percentage of the population, WE are still paying more of the income tax. You are all right, whoever is paying the most taxes is really irrelevant. I sat down with my last pay stub from last year and crunched some #'s. Last year I grossed $32K. I brought home $25K. $4K went to income tax, $400 went to medicare, $1300 went to state taxes, and my own insurance expenses etc. etc. came to $1,200. I got took for $4K of my hard earned money and I don't recall getting ANY type of service or help from the federal gov't whatsoever. If anybody has some similiar #'s they would like to compare that would be cool, so we can all get a good idea of how bad we're getting FUCKED, OR not....
01-06-2008, 03:00 PM
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Re: iowa
Originally Posted by random-strike
the "fair tax" is a sales tax. so you wouldn't automatically pay the same, and at least you would have a choice to pay or not.
like is said, its a step in a better direction, not the best thing...
like is said, its a step in a better direction, not the best thing...
