Honestly, I Can't Explain It...
 

Same exact scenario as before with the smoke only THIS time it's tonsss of white smoke. I get to school and feel inside the exhaust and it's milky and it's antifreeze. I didn't boost ALL day and haven't been boosting hard. HOW DO YOU BLOW A HEADGASKET WITH ARPS AND CRUISING IN VACCUM!?!?! Honestly, though this is quite ridiculous. I've NEVER seen so much smoke in my life, yes it beats the last expierence in smoke volume. My Dad decided to put anti-freeze in my car last week in the tank because it was low and my guess is there was TOO much and the pressure blew the HG. I would figure it would blow out of the tank though. None the less, the car runs fine and smoke progresses as throttle is increased. Oh yea, does it have anything to do with it being like -15* outside?


Cliff Notes: ARPs + Crusing = Blown HG symptoms. Why?


JP

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Ching Chang Chong Meow gasket?

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Head or block not completely flat.

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well the whether being that cold would have something to do with it depending on what your antifreeze mixture is... if it had more water than antifreeze it could have froze in your block and when it thawed it created enough pressure to blow the HG but if you had more antifreeze to water or just straight antifreeze then maybe due to the cold the block froze and when it got warmed back up it lifted the head (freeze=contract warm=expansion) other than that it could only be they were improperly torqued but as thorough as your are i doubt that but pop the valve cover off befor you strip it all down and check the torque of the headstuds

just my .02

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damn samson, your on a streak arent ya....

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Going for black smoke in 2 weeks.


It was checked when we put on the studs which was a while ago so doubt that.


Stock OEM, so no.



I'm going to kill my Dad? Yes, question mark. I was low as stated and he grabbed some random anti-freeze that said you can mix it with whatever. Your explanation is pretty good and it'd be more anti-freeze than water if ANYTHING. You're correct, it was sooo long ago and we're pretty thorough (thank you) so I doubt not torqued enough.


Here`s the deal....it's at school and I say drive it because it is on the top level floor and there is not much room for a tow truck on campus anyway. It's soo cold though I might just drive it 25mins to my buddies place. I mean, what's it going to do warp the head? A head shaved is going to be much easier and cheaper to deal with then a towtruck 50+miles home. Anyone agree?


JP

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Just so long as you don't run out of antifreeze completely and run the motor hot it'll be fine.

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EXACCCCCCCTLY!


Atleast, that's what I'm thinking. I was going to drive it from school to buddies (16miles) then from there home is like 50miles, but I was thinking about making like 2 stops on the way home and let it cool, then again heating and cooling could be worse for warpage. The absolute worst case scenario is it gets hot and cracks a sleeve and I figure as long as I keep and eye on the temp gauge I SHOULD be okay, should, haha. I don't think my parents understand that I can't just LEAVE chem lab to move my car out of the garage so they can tow it 60miles not too mention how much MONEY that tow will cost, ahhhhahahahahaaaa. :S Riiiiiiiight, haha. :X


I'm up for suggestions on how to get it 60miles home with towing being like not even an option. Anyone else confident it me driving that smoking dragon in short legs?


JP

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Just drive it, it's cold as ---- out. Blast your heat.

Or get AAA, free towing up to 100 miles 8)

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if you got a buddy with a truck have him follow you and take your hood off and throw it in the bed O0
then drive that bitch home

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get AAA and get it towed
---- use somebody elses AAA card! Just make sure they are with you!

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having too much water in your motor... is that possible? won't blow a HG

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nope but having more water than antifreeze can easily crack a sleeve/head gasket/block though

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if it freezes your screwed... mine was, i had it sit in front of a kerosene heater for about 2 hours before my block thawed enough to where water would start to flow. head got hot but the block was like ice when i found out what was wrong.

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thats what i was saying that too much water and not enough antifreeze would freeze inside the block and when it thaws out creates excess pressure and could very easily lift the head

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i have also had that happen noticed it was getting warm and shut it down and waited a hour or 2 for it to thaw out

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yea if its 20 degrees outside...

just having a little bit of anti freeze in the motor will stop it from freezing unless its -10 outside.

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if it was this cold anything would freeze... ^^^^^^^

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See it was straight though and I acutally started it and let it idle for like 7 mins before I left then about 15mins later is when I was driving it all of a sudden just unleashed the smoke.



I went back to my car to get my gym bag. Went to the gym, changed, got one set in, went back to locker room to fill my water bootle, unscrewed the cap, and there was ice all around the lip where there was a little bit of water from LAST FRIDAY. The back was indoors for a little bit and STILL froze what little water around the lid indoors. That's just an example of HOW cold it really is.


Like I said before, my Dad dumped the anti-freeze in the car and it was different which you SHOULDN'T do, but it says it mixes with any kind, so who knows. :-\ The whole ice block thing makes sense, but then why aren't any other cars having this problem for one and for two why did it happen like 15mins later? The car was already warming to running temperature and AT running temperature probably ATLEAST 5 mins before the smoking.


BTW guys, I really appericate all the help and posts you guys are throwing out there. They're all greatly appericated and taken into thought, just don't want you guys to think you're thinking for nothing and let you know that getting my car in running order is quite important as it is my main DD to school. Thanks again, HMT. ;) ;D


JP

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drive it the damage is done already and all the above reply as to why are wrong

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Wrong.

Engine thaws while radiator/hoses stay frozen, you get no circulation.

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I didn't even think about that, but it does make sense.

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the block may not have been frozen thick with ice just merley enough to stop flow,but running the engine at operating temperature started the dethawing process and you driving it only led to ineveitiable.... think of a coke bottle you left in the freezer all night its frozen fairly thick but you let it thaw out a little bit and then you open the top SWOOOOOOOSH this massive explosion of soda is now all over the place because of excess pressure now think of the same reaction inside your engine as it dethaws after being frozen... just wanted to put in a slightly simpler form.. this could be what happened and it may not be but as you said earlier with how cold it was this to me is the most logical cause....just hope you get it sorted out....

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Yeah, neither did I until the end of November when being a lazy ---- and running straight water caught up with me. Have you ever cranked a car with a (semi?) frozen water pump and heard the horrible noise the pump makes as it does a crushed ice machine impression? Then everything seems fine... until the overheating starts and you discover the radiator hoses are ice and the engine is hot. Asshat! lost his 'B7 that same day from freezing and splitting the block, only difference is I got up 5:30 AM to have breakfast before school, while his was freezing solid.

I now have 10-15% antifreeze, and my heater core lines freeze up sometimes so that heat takes a minute longer than it should to flow, but the engine thaws radiator/hoses before it becomes an issue. :)

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exactly what ive been saying my last 5 posts in this thread ::)

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Really? I just scrolled down far enough to see a post by Johnny I could quote and disagree with. ;)

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thats fine... i know how you like to ------ your knowleadgeabilities around... ;D

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*uncontrollable knowledgeabilities

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if it was mine id keep driving it and just add coolant when needed O0

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then it would overheat...

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Newsflash, overheating blows headgaskets.

:P

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not always :p

especially if you turn it off when it starts heh

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I'm trying to be all e-hard here, quit being so goddamn reasonable!

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The car never overheated and it did have anti-freeze, but like I said it was and still is coooooold. -15* or so was the windchill, but without the wind easily single digits to low negatives. I think it's going to get towed home tomorrow and Dad and Pap are going to fix it. Thanks for all the help guys, but how can we prevent this from happening again?


JP

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use straight antifreeze

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If you were an atheist none of this would have ever happened.

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All I ever use is straight anti freeze. Here in Kentucky you never know for sure what the weather is going to be except for a few months in summer. And I know if filled my radiator with water in june I'd forget and sometime in october it would freeze and crack my block or something.

try torque ing the head studs again. that usaully only works if it starts overheating in boost though.

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absolutely do not run straight antifreeze, at the most a 75-25 mix

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UMMMM why do you say that straight anit freeze is all I've ever ran since the begining of time. Um Ive never had engine problems with a car either. I had one f22 blow up a few years ago but that because my sister who was borrowing the car never checked the oil for about three months.

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and could you say why you shouldnt??? thats all i have ever used in any shop and in my 8 personal cars that i have owned and never had problems with any of them... water in your coolant system has a potential to freeze if the temp. is right no matter how much it is..straight antifreeze wont freeze until probably -40 or -50 below so tell me why not to run straight antifreze... im sure im not the only person to do so... read DMC1's post above and youll get the picture..not trying to be an ass......