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Okay so I went onto a DSM forum to ask some questions about the stock specs of a Garrett T25, thinking they would be so familiar with them. I knew I would get lambasted for driving a Civic and wanting to turbo a Honda.... but soon it got off topic and most of them were telling me why it was a bad idea and to just get a DSM. Much of that doesn't surprise me, but their ideas on turbo'ing a Honda seemed a bit off. Here are some quotes:

"My friend has a 96 Honda Civic DX with a 1.6 SOHC motor from a 94. He has been running 5 psi of boost off a T25 turbo using a 2G stock SMIC. It is possible to do and we are probabably going to do another one. It is pretty jury rigged. Running boost past that isn't possible without rebuilding the motor. He is using a MBC and I am not sure what he did for fuel control but I know he does have a AFC."

"Do you REALLY think cars with 11.5:1 compression were meant to be turbocharged?" (9.2:1, moron)

"you dont want to bother with putting a t25 on your civic...
and you can MAYBE hold 4 psi on THAT motor, sorry"

Okay so I know I haven't done any turbo setups myself, but from the FAQ on the site and other posts here, don't these guys seem to have a pretty ditorted view of boost on a Honda engine?

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dsm owners are complete dicks when it comes to turbo'ing any motor but theres. especially civics.

turbo your car with a t25 meet up with them and beat them in a race. show them.

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Lol, yes....the DSMers....in denial.

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DSM owners are like the 5.0 stang owners of the import comunitiy. and dont give a ---- unless its got a 4G63 on it...

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I wanna build a NA 4G63 and blow away the DSM dicks. I'll put it in the 87 Rex :-)

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the 4g63 has potential... but thats pretty much it... DSM really only made that engine good (not that good, but it works).... the 2nd gen one sucks... and the shitty 1.8 sohc blows ass (its like 92hp) my d16z6 spanks its ass... and astock 4G63 too. but fixed up and turboed out... they are pretty stiff competition... but those fuckers do get cocky... just let em know whats up....

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Yeah I actually think a turbo DSM is a pretty good performance for the money, and they're not too unreliable as far as turbo cars come. I may have one some day too, but I don't appreciate what jerks they all were when I seriously just wanted some information. That's usually a decent forum to go to... it's a shame that i can have some respect for their cars but they would never consider having any respect for mine. Even if I did beat them in a turbo Civic.

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myths is a good word. people too often take opinion for fact. dumbasses.

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don't d16a6 have a 9:1 ? lol retards

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yeah I didn't even mention to them that most guys on this site are actually using "old" CRX engines, they thought I was referring to newer civic engines. Mine is a civic d15b7, so it's 9.2:1... I had no idea what your CRX engine specs were

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dsm's have that lovely crank walk.

plus the b18c is such a better motor then a dam 4g63.

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heh ask boosteded9...
he blew up his Z6 at 20psi
ran 11's on the stock engine.
so ehh YA!

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asm wheres your avatar with like a mop on your head or sumthing

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if you dont get a dsm that runs good they are slow as hell .my n/a civic ex stays right beside my freinds tsi

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4psi??? ya right ive had my stock d16 up to 12psi! hhahahaa

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DSM = overweight

They just carry worthless weight around with them. Just look at them with a smile ;D and show them your purty white teeth.

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like the driver! LOL j/k

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DSM all motor, now that would be a nice class to get into, lol

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This thread reminds me (last year?) of watching Beau repeatedly walk a black Tsi? at SIR... ;D
Raping your NA B16 like a drunk prom date....hehehe

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the dsm motor is a good one, but their tranny's blow.... their block can go upwards of 400hp and their heads flow soooooo good.

and damn local dsm kids dont belive my car even tho i beat a awd talon with t3t4 fmic and a shitload more at the track when i went 11.8.. hmmmm

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I had the mindset that these DSM guys have.......

Then I found this site and realised how much these little cars can do with not much money into them.

I respect anything that is quick for what it is.

So in defense of the DSM guys it's not that they are dumb or really rude, it's just that they are ignorant. If they came here and read up a little in a short time they (like me) would see they had many misconseptions.

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Most of them dont wanna know.. It seems beacause there car is soo tunable with bolt on work they become all consumed in there own factory turbo car, in essence denying the potential that exists in other brand names.. I think we should do a big write up on BoostedED9's ride and send it to all the dsm boards.. leaveing out of course that the engine blew ;D..

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Now come on fellas, not all DSM owners are dicks. That's right along the same lines as calling ALL Honda owners ricers. I love my DSM, I don't like slow Hondas, but I have the utmost respect for a fast Honda. I like DSM's, especially my DSM, I bought it for $1800, put $450 into it (mind you I got some good deals) and ran a 13.6 last weekend at the track. So I call that pretty good bang for the buck. But still a fast car is a fast car (unless it's a damned trailer queen, I have ZERO respect for trailer queens).

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Mason chill buddy

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you might own a dsm if: you bought half of your performance parts at home depot, you've tried to bolt your old 14b on your lawnmower, you drop what your doing when the ups man brings a new part for your car and then spend all day fixing it, you change your tires plugs and fuel curves for the winter, your car spends more time being broken than being driven, you think your car should have also come with a flatbed truck, you don't let other people drive it because it's "querky", you are afraid to grab your crank pulley and check for play, when people say is your car running again, you say "kinda"......etc.etc.etc.

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Haha, ok I'll admit that was pretty funny. But there also alot of DSM "Boost Myths" out there, like the one that says all 4G63's crankwalk, only the 7bolts do, early 6bolts (like mine) won't. The 4G63 can take a beating, I've put my motor through quite a bit of stress and I still have great compression. Tranny is a whole different story, broke one already running 17psi shifting into third gear, just went into third and never came out =). Oh well, Honda or DSM, as long as it's not rice it's ok with me.

Jason

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heh if its fast i don't care if its rice or not

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only blew because 20+psi is a tad bit too much :)

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i'm a DSM owner,and respect all cars,but.. just a correction,a stock 6bolt 4g63T will handle 450whp with no problem. our stock block has already been proven to withstand 800+hp without signs of weakness.
and our trannies are great,only idiots that can't drive break trannies,and thats true with any make.

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if theres any other DSM related topics that you need help with or need to get any info on them,feel free to ask me,i'm more than willing to help out.

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There are many dsm owners that are quite nice (such as myself :) ). I found that when I had a honda and was turbocharging it, many dsm guys were helpful with parts, and advice. Its just the ignorent few that have these odd misconceptions that there is nothing that can match their cars. Hell, they'd probably take on skylines just because one guy beat one in a magazine test, but hey, its a dsm, so all of them must be able to do it. I like hondas, work on them, and am always on the lookout for that mythical (New England Area) crx si with zero rust, but until then, change is always good.

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my friend is on his 5th tranny and 3rd quaife... dont buy a quaife for dsm.

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only expierence i have with dsm cars was my friends 2g eclipse that puked its trans all over the highway ... it was cool, i think they are pretty cool cars but too heavy.. but then hondas have that badass floating piston design and weakass axles and dseries internals are weak as ----. but i still love my rexx.. i mean what do you expect out of a car you can buy for $900?

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i wouldnt quite say weak parts, just stupid people that dont know what they are doing.... just like FST9dRST only stupid people break the trannys on dsm, it goes the same way for honda owners they dont do things right and end up costing htem alot..

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Okay so there's this psychological principle called the "mere ownership effect." It basically means that when someone owns something, their opinion of all items just like theirs goes up, and often as a result they will cling to any information that says that dissimilar items are worse than theirs. This works with cars just like anything else. If I was 16 and my parents bought me a DSM, and it's the only car I will own for the next 5 years, I will probably do a lot of research that supports my beliefs that DSM's are the best cars ever. Same goes for Honda. Some guys have actually been open-minded enough to check out several makes of cars, rather than just cling to whatever they know. Ever know a guy who loves American muscle? Chances are, he has been that way his whole life, and a good chance his son will feel the same way if he works on dad's cars.

The extension of this principle is that guys who all own the same cars will not only point out the flaws in other cars, they will point out the flaws in their owners. "Honda ricers are such morons.... DSM owners can be such dicks." It's true, there are a lot of jerks out there, but I would be willing to bet they are ------ out evenly among all car makes. The problem with internet forums is that they are a breeding ground for attitudes like this. On the DSM forum at MachV.com, a lot of the guys thrive on collectively talking smack about Hondas. It happens here too, I just hope we can keep an open mind.

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Machv is pretty good I'm there half the time and here half the time.......not a very good place for tech questions....it always turns into an Owned discussion.

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i got my ass handed to me by a civic with a turbo and b18 swap. i thought it was realy cool to see a civic with a turbo. im running mostly stock but that was still the first honda to ever give me a beating. i also had a 93 talon with the 1.8 engine and just about every mod except a turbo and n2o and i didnt have any problem keeping up with most hondas.

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prob a few of those out there, but you arent talking about josh ottos in bel air, md are you?

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you know, just out of seeing these posts; your hating on the people who are hating on us. so doesnt that make us contradict ourselves ? i mean who cares, DSM or Honda. fast is fast period. weather it be a metro a ford cumstain or a 10 second civic, give credit where credit is due and people might respect us a lil more. btw, thats hard to say coming from a pro-honda ------- :)

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I would like to redeem DSM owners atleast a little bit. I personally am a DSM owner and happened to stumble across your DSM bashing. I love Hondas if my dad hadn't given me his Talon AWD TSI I would have gotten a Honda, all my friends have Hondas. So just b/c a few DSM owners are asses pls dont disrespect us all.