got fucked over on an under the table job, advice? callathons welcome!
 

worked for the guy for a week, payday rolls around and his phone is shut off, he doesn't answer his shop phone (which has no answering machine), and the address he gave me for his house may/may not be his. bought tools for the job, spent a tank of gas going to/from, and am about ~$250 in the hole with no paycheck from the guy.

i always met him at one place being that his shop was in the opposite direction of all the work at dennys, i started a saturday morning and worked till thurs, friday morning he no longer exists?

being that it was under the table, what can i do? i can't find his 'business' listed anywhere, and i'm close to throwing up a call-a-thon in his favor...

Richard (rich) L. Helgerman (jr i believe)
'hcr renovations' is his claimed company

works in the central western PA area. cranberry/freedom/harmony/beaver/aliquippa/pittsburgh/new brighton areas. he is a licensed GC (so he says) but specializes, and now exclusively installs/warranty claims doors. he should have a business account with the cranberry home depot.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=446619064
the correct profile

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Try calling from a different number?

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Keep calling him, if no reply after a couple days. Post his number up I will call

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its been 3-4 weeks now, his shop # didn't come back from the dead until a week ago. i got ahold of him and the conversation was pretty much

rich: hello?
me: hello rich?
rich: hello?
me: it's been 3 weeks and i still don't have a dime from you, what the hell happened?
rich: *silent for 15 or so secs* ...hello? (can hear the change in tone to a 'i hope he thinks i didn't hear him')
me: so whats the deal? when am i getting paid?
rich: anyone there?
me: i know you ------- hear me
rich: (muttering something in the background, '----' and 'god damnit' were clearly heard though) *hangs up*

...and that was the last convo we had, and the last time he answered his phone

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

next time add lube to your list of expenses. the dude took you. lesson learned.

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yeah i'm afraid that's what happened, i might be able to still get ahold of him though, i just need to go backwards through the people i installed ---- in their houses, and get the invoice from the company that billed the work out to his company.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

bingo...how did you hook up with this company in the first place?

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

I know someone that was fucked over like that. Worked a week, guy had excuses and said it'd be in another week, he worked another week, then could never get in contact with the dude again.

You have his full name to track him down?

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Reverse search the guys shop number and get the address. Should be free on interwebs. If the guy then refuses to pay pay the 10 bucks to reverse search his cell and get his home address and go ---- his wife and on your way out the door steal his TV. :y

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oh, yeah. sold a transmission to him a good chunk of time ago, around the end of oct/early nov, he called me up them middle of dec to update me on it, and we got to talking and he said he was looking for someone to do some work, and at the time i was fresh out of a full time job so i said yeah, and i started the beginning of jan, i think the 3rd or the 4th or somethin.





yeah, his shop is unlisted and i can't find records of his company, or his name on any company listings
his phone # is no longer active, does this ---- still work?

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Should if they haven't updated the information, or at least give you his old information.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Best bet now, is to roll with a baseball bat, and keep an eye out for him.

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Yeah, you got fucked, but there's still hope. I would contact the clients where you did the work, then go from there. Eventually you will find your guy or if no one wants to talk someone you can steal ---- from.

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Happened to me before too. I was a young buck and this dude hired me and my buddy to cut down some trees and turn them into firewood. He said $100/cord. He didn't realize how fast we worked, so within a week he owed us $2400. We said he didn't have to pay all at once, just give us a few bucks so we could eat and buy beer. Fucker didn't even give us a cent. So we went to go get our wood to sell ourselves, and he'd already picked ALL of it up.

Well a few days later we got some intel that he was at the casino spending the money from our hard work. We found his brand new Dodge Ram TD sitting out front, so we added ~2lbs of rock salt to his gas tank, drained all fluid reservoirs that we could access, and hacked his brake lines up. He came out and it was dark and didn't even notice his truck was owned haha. He fired it up and seriously looked like an atom bomb had just gone off. So we didn't get our money, but we decided it was only a week of work and that revenge>the few bucks we may have wrenched from his jew hands. In the words of the great NGA Two-Pack himself, "revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin -----."

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

What's his name and numbers? Also if all else fails and you find his shop arson can be your friend.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Empty his shop.

He fucked you out of your livlihood, ---- him out of his.

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I've had a couple painting customers try to play houdini when it's time to pay. Most of the houses were also having some type of other work being done as well. Electrical, plumbing, etc.. The one thing that always works is telling them they can pay now, or I can call the city and they'll come down here and rip your ---- out. This only works when they didn't have the appropriate permits/inspections, but it always works.

The one sub contract job I did was a big apartment complex who hired company A, who sold the job to company B, and then it came to me. When ---- got funny I told company B he could pay me, or I could call company A and the complex and let them know what was going on. It also helped that they had craigslist people working on the job uninsured as well. They thought I was bluffing, so I called the apartment complex (work was still happening), and the next day company A and B were offering to pay me.

You've got to find the customers, and tell them about any under the table, uninsured people, permits, anything, and tell them your situation and that if it doesn't get taken care of, we're going to have to get inspectors and lawyers involved. Figure out your angle.

One of the houses the guy got funny on, the trailer trash carpenter was told by me that he should stop his work because I was going to get the city involved because of the lack of permits. Turns out, the carpenter really needed the job to go smoothly, and payed me the $800 right there and said he'd take care of it.

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my brother had the opposite happen to him. REALLY needed a hardwood floor installed in his entire 2nd floor by a certain date, so he paid a contractor 1/2 the money up front (I guess it seemed normal based on other quotes he recieved) and bought all the products himself/ripped out the old flooring. He never heard of the guy again, the number he used to call got the guys mom or something. Probably would have been HMT worthy but I was too busy working 70+ hours at work, then busting ass installing his floor before deadline.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

---- load of pain killers, body armor, and an automatic gun. thats all youll ever need.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

was it under the table...or were you waiting on him to bring in the tax/ss/insurance/etc paperwork?

It's all in the angle.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Definitely talk to all the customers you did work for under him. Talking to people will get you some leads. IE- Mrs. Hariston that you installed tile for might have him working on another rental house of hers across town. Never know if you don't ask.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

For people who are working under the table you should get cash at the end of each work day.See if this guy even has permits to do the work he does. If he doesnt bring it up with the county and get your revenge that way.

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info updated to first post

let me know if you nogs can find anything

this is NOT a callathon request! INFORMATION ONLY i am still trying to figure out/find some ---- on him.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

you should edit that near the number

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As basic as your avatar is, I still rate it in the top 10 of HMT.

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IS THIS YOUR LITTLE FRIEND?

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profi...82941_6625.jpg

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

my av? you directed that kinda indirectly

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IS THIS YOUR LITTLE FRIEND?

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...8a2c6d396d.jpg

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

looks a few years old but yeah

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That's sad, because he's claiming to be 32.

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31 or 32, he was 31 when i 'worked' for him and he must've had a birthday or something

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

You see any other avatar in this thread with a nasty cockslammer? Yeah you, nicca.

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:6

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Dude has serious lines on his face and I spot grey in his flavor saver.

------- meth heads.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

yeah i thought he was late 30's early to mid 40's when i sold him the transmission. he is more salt and pepper than most 40-50yr old males

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

Spoof his number with the local PD number and just give him a good line. He see's a number he never seen, calls it back; local PD picks up might shake him a little :-\.

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he may also go by the name "rich shartle"
edit: don't think those first two profiles are the right guy.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

huhhuh, you said.....shartle.

Re: got fucked over on an under the table job, advice?
 

I think I have just taken this e-stalking ---- to a level buk and Danno combined aren't capable of.


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