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Why Muslims Hate Us

Muslims hate non-Muslims because the Koran tells them Allah hates non-Muslims and they should to. The Koran is perverse, but it is logical, and a man of pious reflection can see the hand of God at work when Muslims attack our apostate nation.

Here's the logic of Koran:

1. Unbelievers are those who do not accept Islam, especially Jews and Christians:

To those who have received the Scriptures [Jews & Christians] and to the Gentiles say: 'Will you surrender yourselves to Allah?' If they become Muslims they shall be rightly guided; if they pay no heed, then your only duty is to warn them. God is watching all His servants.

Sura 3:20

2. Because unbelievers do not accept Islam, Allah hates them and does not guide them:

Say: 'Obey Allah and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers." Sura 3:32

You have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him. They said to their people: 'We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah only.".... Sura 60:4

Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51

3. Because Allah does not guide them, unbelievers beome evil-doers, they commit additional sins besides rejecting Islam:

You see many among them vie with one another in sin and wickedness and practise what is unlawful. Evil is what they do.

Why do their rabbis and divines not forbid them to blaspheme or to practise what is unlawful? Evil indeed are their doings.

Sura 5:62-63

4. Muslims will see the sins of unbelievers plainly, both in non-Muslim society and in dealings with non-Muslims:

They listen to falsehoods and practise what is unlawful. If they come to you [Muhammad], give them your judgment or avoid them. If you avoid them, they can in no way harm you; but if you do act as their judge, judge them with fairness. Allah loves those that deal justly.

But how will they come to you for judgment when they already have the Torah which enshrines God's own judgment? Soon after they will turn their backs: they are no true believers.

Sura 5:42-43

5. Therefore, Muslims must fight unbelievers both to limit sin and give unbelievers a chance to go to heaven by becoming Muslims. (Only Muslims can go to heaven, but Muslims are not assured of going to heaven unless they die in Jihad. Muslims who do not fight Jihad will have their good deeds weighed against their bad deeds. Refusing to fight Jihad is a very bad deed.)

Those that make war against Allah and His apostle and ------ disorder in the land shall be slain or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter: except those that repent before you reduce them. For you must know that Allah is forgiving and merciful. 5:33-34

Let not the unbelievers think that We (Allah) prolong their days for their own good. We give them respite only so that they may commit more grievous sins. Shameful punishment awaits them. Sura 3:178

Those that fled their homes or were expelled from them, and those that suffered persecution for My sake and fought and were slain: I shall forgive them their sins and admit them to gardens watered by running streams, as a recompense from Allah; Allah dispenses the richest recompense. 3:195

6. Now here's the rub - the Koran does share many of the moral rules of the Bible. Although the Koran says moral rules like don't kill and don't steal only apply between Muslims - Muslims can kill non-Muslims, take the property of non-Muslims as tribute (called Jizya, this was the cause of the Barbary Pirate War in the early 19th century), take their wives, or make non-Muslims slaves - there are enough similarities that the modern, post-Christian West looks as evil to Muslims as Koran tells them it will look.

For example:

7. Koran and the Bible say God forms babies in their mothers' wombs, but the U.S. has legalized abortion.

It is he who shapes your bodies in your mothers' wombs as He pleases. There is no god but Him, the Mighty, the Wise One.

Sura 3:6

8. Koran and the Bible teach that God is the Creator, but the West embraces evolution.

Such is God, your Lord. There is no god but Him, the Creator of all things. Therefore serve Him. Of all things He is the Guardian.

Sura 6:102

9. Koran and the Bible both teach chastity, but we in the West practice free love, and display this to the world in our movies and TV programs.

Let those who cannot afford to marry live in continence until God shall enrich them from His own bounty. As for those of your slaves who wish to buy their liberty, free them if you find in them any promise and bestow on them a part of the riches which God has given you. You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you may enrich yourselves, if they wish to preserve their chastity. If anyone compels them, God will be forgiving and merciful to them."

Sura 24:033

10. Koran and the Bible both forbid homosexuality, but we in the West are legitimizing this and many other perversions, and again it shows up in our media.

And Lot, who said to his people: 'Will you persist in these lewd acts which no other nation has committed before you? You lust after men instead of women. Truly, you are a degenerate people.'

Sura 7:80-81

11. Koran is full of contradictions. One of the strangest is Koran says it confirms the Bible, and tells Muslims to read Torah and the Gospels. Koran tells Muslims that Jews and Christians - the People of the Book - don't keep their own scriptures and don't teach them to others.

When God made a covenant with those to whom the Scriptures were given He said: 'Proclaim these to mankind and do not suppress them.' But they cast the Scriptures over their backs and sold them for a paltry price. Evil was their bargain. Sura 3:187

He (Allah) has revealed to you the Book with the Truth (Koran) confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of mankind, and the distinction between right and wrong. Those that deny God's revelations shall be sternly punished; God is mighty and capable of revenge. Sura 3:3-4

12. Koran and the Bible also condemn gambling, drunkenness, and the occult (horoscopes, witches, etc.) but in the U.S., our own state governments now run numbers, we are legalizing drugs, and there is an explosion of interest in the occult, including pagan religions like wicca.

Believers, wine and games of chance, idols and divining arrows, are abominations devised by Satan. Avoid them, so that you may prosper.

Sura 5:90

13. CS readers know that God's moral rules like don't steal and don't lie are essential to free markets and prosperity. While Islam says Muslims should not lie or steal from each other, corruption is rampant in Muslim countries, because they don't have the Holy Spirit to help them keep the Commandments. The Koran perversely tells Muslims that the riches of Christians and Jews come from our sinfulness while the poverty of Muslims is a test from Allah to see who loves prosperity more than Islam,

You shall be sorely tried in the matter of your possessions and your persons, and will hear much that is hurtful from those who were given the Scriptures before you, and from the pagans. But if you endure with fortitude and guard yourselves against evil, you will surely triumph. Sura 3:186

Do not be deceived by the fortunes of the unbelievers in the land. Their prosperity is grief. Hell shall be their home, an evil resting place. Sura 3:196-197

14. Last, Koran adds a rule that can't be found in the Bible. Where the Bible says that there are neither male nor female in Christ, and that God is no respecter of persons, Koran tells Muslims that men are superior to women. The West's Feminist movement thus looks evil and sinful to Muslims.

Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain the. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they disobey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. Sura 4:34

Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. Sura 2:223

The bottom line is that Muslims hate the West because the Koran tells Muslims that the West rejects Islam, and consequently is evil.

The Koran is confirmed to be true in the minds of Muslims by our own desire to throw out God's rules.

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cliff notes? did you hear they miss translated the koran? so instead of getting 17virgins when they pass, it was retranslated that they were to get 17 grapes

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cliff notes goddamn, i vote ban ;)

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iam an athiest so i religion doesnt matter either way. but a religion that cadones kill someone for their beliefs is wack. i know christianity use to do the same thing but its the 21st century and things have changed. my next website www.MurDeRmuslims.com what you think?

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damn mike you are an angry person

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you dont understand the things i would do to those people(men, women, children, the elderly and the unborn) if i had the means. look at the ---- that just happened in russia they were another set of muslim extermist.

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yeah, that's fucked up

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Mike, your link doesn't work, but when you get it up and running, you have a new memeber. 8)


I say bomb them all and get it over with.

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i agree stongly with stealthmode and biggmike, blow up and burn that ---- whole they all live in, any religon claiming to be doing good by suicide bombing, terrorist attacks and ---- is fucked up, nothing but a buncha corrupt mother fuckers. ---- those sand ------s, i hate them all. also y can they show someone getting thier head chopped off on tv but they cannot show us dropping some 1000lb laser guided bomb into a ---- whole with a buncha rag heads init? wtf? or like navy seals raiding a room? i'll be the second memeber signing up for that!

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i havent registered it yet cause iam going to enlist with the airforce and dont know if this ---- looks bad for me so ill have my buddy register for me.

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athiest is the way to go, but an athiest in America, you've got to be kidding me? I'm Canadian so I guess it isn't any better, but if there is anything wrong with this world it is religion......before I get bashed, let me explain. Yes (some) religions teach us to love one another (if you aren't gay or haven't had an abortion) and other religions teach us to kill, but the thing that divides us the most IS religion. If everyone was an athiest we would only have to worry about racism, greedy, the environment, etc.....
As for the origianl post about the Koran, it's fuked. I didn't think any religion condoned killing nowadays. Remeber, this is a forum where people express there opions and I don't mean to upset anyone here. These are my views only and I'm not hating on religion, I just think it would be a better world without it.

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all religion is blind faith, how can a intelligent human being live their entire life based on blind faith? if i cant see it, touch it, feel it, smell it or taste it i dont believe it

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i have a lot of questions, but i don't denounce god, hell what do you got to lose? if he doesn't exist and there's no such thing as heaven or hell, than no big deal, when you're dead, you're dead, it's not like you wasted your life believing in god. but if it is real, and you're fucked and have a nice eternity in hell :-\

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not all muslums are like this...go to iraq/afganastan and find out for yourself.

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Keep bombin till we strike water or oil

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That's the conclusion I've come to as well. I can't say either way if god is real or not, so I just try to be the best sweatchuck that I can. 8)

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I think all religion should be taken in by all people. I dont think one is right or the other is wrong. Its really comes down to what you believe or what works for you. Just as long as you have some kind of faith that should be fine. Basically its all comes down to the same thing. I have my own faith and believe there is a higher being. I know what not to do and what to do in certian circumstances. Thats good enough for me :-\

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True true. I ran across a post the other day from like, January that imadouche made called "I'm going to hell", and DavCivic said somethin to the point of "If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but if I'm right you're screwed".

I believe in God and Satan, in Heaven and Hell, in Angels and Demons. The Koran is really screwed up.. The Author of the Koran (I think it was Muhammad? I can't remember) would get sick over the crap going on in his country so he went to caves constantly and meditated for hours upon end, and believed that Michael the Archangel came to him and told him that God had chosen him to be God's prophet unto man.

One last point I want to make.. Koran, Bible.. One tells you to kill people if they don't agree with you, the other tells you to love your neighbor, share the "good news" and if they don't accept it, then basically they have no right in Heaven to say "I didn't know".

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I think all YOU HYPOCRITES are fucked(especially Catholics) more than me if there is truely is a god.

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I say we nuke them.... But I say that about everything. :-X

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How am I being a hypocrite? And don't generalize Catholics as such, why are they hypocrites as well? Now, I don't believe in the same things as them (Them - Good works to get into Heaven, not a personal relationship with Jesus Christ) but not all of them are screwed in the head.

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i have not meet on person that claims to be "christian" that follows the ways of the bible. ignore your church, your parents, your friends. read the bible it tells you how to gain access to heaven. what i ask people that are supposed christians/god fearing people is, " if i shot you in the face right now would you go to heaven" none of them have answered me yes. people get really offended when they realize you think and know they are just hypocrites like 99.999% of "god fearing" people.

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The Bible tells you to be in church, to be with fellow followers of Christ. It tells you to obey your parents and to love them. It says to share the gospel with your friends, nowhere does it say that you should ignore everyone. Reading the Bible doesn't only tell you how to gain access to Heaven, its not like the friggin Egyptian's Scrolls of the Dead man.. Read it sometimes and you'll see what it answers. (And no, I'm not expecting you to read the whole thing, that would take a long long time)

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I would be scared as heck, but I would say "Yes". Reminds me of Columbine.. kid goes up to the girl, puts the gun in her face and says "Do you believe in God?" And she said yes. He pulled the trigger.

I myself do not fear death, I just fear pain.

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lol iam a former christian and have read a good part of bible but there are to many fellow hypocrite followers and even hypocrite preachers. i would rather walk alone then walk with hell bound followers.

i just try to make "wannabe" christians to change if they truely believe because this is their life/after life were talking about.

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All this is just a

http://www.all-creatures.org/recipes...ockpot6.5q.jpg (crock pot)

full of crap.

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religion is like and -------... everyone has one

Edit: i forgot, and their all full of ----

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http://www.parody-pages.com/idiots/jihad.jpg

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Fu...ihad%20Joe.gif




Bottom line, ALL religions are the enemy. We no longer need religion, it killed more people in history than anything else

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No sir. I belong to no religion. I have my own beliefs and don't need to be brainwashed with a whole list of ---- that other people in a certain group believe in.
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Whatever it sais it's not worth the long read.
No matter what religion it it, it killed more people around the world then whe worst weapon yet to be invented.

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i follow his religon.

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I know what you mean, its hard to follow a religion when all you see is the religious people are worse off than the "non-believers". Priests having sex with children, and people in the church being two different people saturday night and sunday morning. I know exactly what you mean man.. Its hard to find a good church, luckily I found one with a good pastor and a good congregation.

I can understand what you mean with the wanna-be's. I asked one girl once what religion she was, she came back with "I'm a Christian". I said why.. she said "Because I was born in America" ::) Idiots..

Atheism, then?

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No. Nothing. You can't pin me to a certain group because I don't follow any certain guidelines or beliefs. There might be a god and there might not be one. I can't say there is one, but I also can't say there isn't. Who the ---- can? :-\ I won't go through my life worshiping a fictitious character. Wouldn't you feel stupid at the end of your life if you found out you based your entire life, your morals, and your beliefs on something that never existed?
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Agnostic: NOUN: 1a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

My two cents is that the world would be a lot better place if their were no religion involved. It is the root of all that is evil.

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That's the word I was looking for. Agnostic.

"The Love of money is the root of all evil" :P

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Obviously bigmike you’re no more than an ignorant person and I’m going to prove that in a moment…
As mentioned before, translations can be very biased and it seems all the translations that you’ve mentioned are PROBABLY written by people such as yourself you hate Muslims and Islam.

Well, this another translation:
3:20 “So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants”

Seems to me there’s a pretty big difference between the two translations and if read closely I see absolutely no trace of hate against non-Muslims in this “Sura”. It just tells Muslims to try and “convey the Message (of Islam)” to non-Muslims which in no way implies that Muslims should harm non-Muslims in any way.

Another significant difference in translation:
3:32 Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.

Allah (God) does not HATE someone because he or she is not a believer (or Muslim), but does not LOVE them as well.

A more decent translation:
60:4 “There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah. we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal”

This verse is NOT against Abraham and his people, for your information Islam recognizes all prophets of Judaism and Christianity and they all are mentioned in the Koran.

Not being “friends” with Jews and Christians simply warns of heavily relying on them, but in no way does Islam promote hate towards Jews and Christians.

The same verse you used, different traslation:
5:42 “(They are fond of) listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden. If they do come to thee, either judge between them, or decline to interfere. If thou decline, they cannot hurt thee in the least. If thou judge, judge in equity between them. For Allah loveth those who judge in equity”

If you read it thoroughly it’s definitely a beautiful verse and is even better in Arabic. “If thou judge, judge in equity between them. For Allah loveth those who judge in equity” For you to include this verse you just proved yourself wrong… this verse proves that Islam has nothing against non-Muslims. God himself is telling Mohammed (the Prophet) to be equitable between non-Muslims!! Bigmike… people will start to love Islam because of you J

Well… that is just a stupid assumption of yours! How is fighting unbelievers going to give unbelievers a chance to go to heaven by becoming Muslims? I doubt any non-Muslims would be fond of Islam if they see Muslims “fighting” them. You contradict yourself and certainly this reasoning of yours is not that of Muslims. And who told you that Muslims are not assured of going to heaven unless they die in Jihad? This is certainly NOT true as Jihad is not one of the Five Pillars of Islam and the concept of Jihad itself is misunderstood. Jihad doesn’t necessarily involve fighting and killing people; Jihad can simply be trying harder to be closer to Allah (God) and to pray more consistently (for example). In no way is killing people a form of Jihad (conditions may apply), only extremists take it to such extents which is certainly untrue. You say… “refusing to fight Jihad is a very bad deed”, there is no need now for me to prove you wrong and people now understand what Jihad is! It’s simply voluntary!

Now I need to ask you a question! Why are you lying? You are not a Muslim and you definitely show your lack of knowledge of Islam, so how is it that you make-up these fallacies? Killing a non-Muslim for the sake of it is definitely NOT acceptable and if you ask any Muslim scholar he or she would say so with no doubt. Muslims are NOT allowed to steal from ANYONE!! Nor kill ANYONE!! And what is that you say about Jizya? Muslims did not take property from non-Muslims in their expansions, but rather whoever did not adopt Islam as their religion they would have to pay a “Jizya” which is just a tax, as Muslims would have control over the country and provide it with the army, etc… The Koran does not tell us that non-Muslims as evil, it’s just that they would be full of sin, etc… which even a Christian Priest would admit!!

First of all I need to tell you that if not studied carefully, an inexperienced person will seem to find “contradictions” in the Koran. You definitely messed up this last part, you barely know what you’re talking about! The Koran recognizes the Torah and the Bible, BUT criticizes the fact that they were altered!
For those of you who are Christians, bigmike is not criticizeing Islam only, but rather Christianity and Islam!

Well I have to agree that MOST Muslim countries are full of corruption unfortunately. And I have to tell you that this is only due to the lack of faith of leader and people. Not because of Islam, if you look back in history you’ll find that when Muslims followed Islam correctly we were prosperous from Spain all the way to China. The riches of Christians and Jews definitely don’t come from their sinfulness and that is not true in the verses you provided.

Well, you definitely got it all wrong! Islam gave women the right to choose who to marry, the right to inheritance, in Islam women and men complete each other! Read this verse:

4:19 “O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good”

I guess these feminists are starting to like Islam! You still think women are oppressed in Islam?? Well, if you still do, PM me and I’ll send you a 19 page paper I wrote on Women’s Rights in Islam!!

The bottom line is YOU HATE MUSLIMS (bigmike). The Koran never refers to “the West” but rather non-believers, you are making up waaaaay too many fallacies!
Bigmike, all I have to say to you is that you have more hate inside of you towards Muslims that any Muslim has towards westerners!!! At least any Muslim I’ve seen.

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^^^^^^HOLY QUADNIE POST BATMAN!!!!


Well I'll be damned.......

I still don't claim to be anything and you can't make me. :P
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You got the edited version, fo sho.. terrorist :-*

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Well I'll be damned.......

I still don't claim to be anything and you can't make me. :P
Just shut up and get in your little box. You didn't think you were the only one who felt that way, did you? ;)

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Damn it, now I have to change my views. >:( I don't want to be a part of it. :( Ummmm......I think god grew from a grain of wheat and morphed into a rock and then formed Earth. Don't tell me there is a certain religion/group for that......is there? ???
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