A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070201/wl_csm/onewplot

LONDON - British security officials were claiming Wednesday to have foiled a terrorist plot which would have imported for the first time to Britain the grisly Iraq-style tactic of kidnapping a victim, torturing and beheading him and filming the atrocity for broadcast on the Internet.

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:7 We should free "The Iceman", and have him take care of these cowards.

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We need to hit these terrorists way harder then we have been. It's all the worthless liberals whining that makes it so hard to fight and win this kind of war. I'd say public castration for all terror suspects. All this ---- would stop real quick. But we have to be humain whiles these radical muslims go around kidnapping people blowing us up and making us waste or time fighting them.
We don't even know how to fight a war anymore. I don't understand why our country doesn't have a spine anymore. The first rule to anything from a fight in the school yard to all out war is that you strike first fast and with everything youve got. all we do is little half measures here and there that overall acomplish nothing and encourage the terrorists because they can still operate.
Like right now theyre winning in Iraq because our weak congress keeps resisting the war and just like veitnam we'll end up losing because of all the liberals that won't let us finish. The insurgents know all they have to do is last another year and the US will most likely start pulling out of Iraq.

And when they do start pulling out it'll be just like Veitnam Bahgdad will get over ran just like siagon and we'll be airlifting the remaining americans off the roof of the embassy.

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^^^^^i hera ya man....we need to be more aggessive towards the terrorist....they kidnap inocent people and be-head them we should go after their people,anybody envolved...and torture the ---- out of them...cut off every body part with out killing them, then ship it to thier followers....U.S needs to make a statement that we are not going to take thoer ---- anymore...its all about politicts these days more talk and not enough action...

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^ everyone I've brought that up to said "That would be sinking to their level" :1

WHO CARES.

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We need to clone Patton.

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that article is just fear mongering, omg terrorists terrorists!!

this was at the very bottom of the article (after the paragraph talking about how two guys were arrestedin a police raid, one of them ot shot, later released and not charged with anything)

"Terrorism experts said that it was important to establish whether the kidnapping plot, if confirmed, was a one-off action or a new tactic."

as far as sending the people a message by killing more of them, that will make things worse.

the germans learned after invading russia and murdering entire villages that this tactic made the partisans stronger and united.

the russians also learned this in afganistan

i think its interesting how all these terror threats always come to light when mr blairs approval rating drops

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and chechnya (which is still going on btw)

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why not just call off your brothers? they will listen to you ^-^

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Liberals make me sick.

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:y and bring back napalm :8

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Liberals make me think there might be hope for the world.

Conservitves make me want say ---- the world and go live off the grid in alaska.

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you spelled conservatives wrong :6

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I agree that article was just fear mongering media bullshit. But Britain does have a population of muslim extremists and
I didn't mean killing everyone who's muslim and has a tan. I mean't activley seeking the people behind all this and that takes using some finesse. Gathering acurate intelligence and then acting on it. America just isnt any good at this kind of war. We don't have the pateince and our military is more geared for all out world war two style fight.

The tools needed for this war are good undercover agents and quick striking teams that can bring in the terrorists and then interogate them for information.
Not hundereds of thousands of solders and humvee's to take potshots at from an upstairs room that only fuels the fire. they have easy targets over their and it gives them hope and keeps their minds on it. If they don't have an easy target right out their front door then most off them just won't be able to do anything because they couldn't afford to travel and buy equipment. And the ones that can afford to carry out attacks will have alot more hoops to jump through and like I mentioned before the intelligence community will have a better chance of catching them somewhere in the process then they bring some of them in and then that whole group gets interogated and their whole network gets caught and maybe a few of their buddies in other cells.

Going into Iraq the way we did was a mistake, But the descision was made from bad intelligence because the intelligence community was incompotent they had been basically gutted and had most of their budget cut a few years before 9/11. So now were in it and we have to finish it the hard way. It sucks but thats how it is.

I think the new statagy they came up with could work though. Bring in some more troops secure bahgdad give the citizens a better quality of life and spreaqd out from their then maybe that will show the rest of the country that theirs a better way then blowing up their own people. I don't think a democracy will ever work over their. Those people need a heavy hand to keep them inline there a differant culture then us in the west and they just don't think the same way. Not that their bad people their just differant and what works good for us doesn't necessarily work for them.

It's just hard to when you have liberals derailing the effort at every turn. we should just pick Jane Fonda up and drop her off in Iraq and see how well she does. Or maybe take her to Isreal and stick her ass on a bus with a suicide bomber.

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No, we need to arm the Isreals. The Jews have had their borders being attacked, and they will melt all of the Middle East, even themselves. We just then pull out, and wait for them to call us back in.



Course that won't happen, they'll just say we backed out and left them to die ::)

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Your point is? You spell 90% of everything you say incorrectly. One typo isn't critical, nor is it a tool to be used to debase and discredit my competence, my ability to criticaly think, or the foundations of my opinions. If you would like to bring up a conflicting point of veiw that you have and present it in a way that brings some merit to your logic and retoric, then your personal attack on me may hold some value. Until then, you should work on your mastery of the english language before insulting someone elses competence in that area.

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Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism and Saddam didnt allow extremist to operate out of there.Trashing the country,getting rid of Saddam will now allow it to fall to extremist/muslim radicals and is helping inspire more to join the "Jihad" against the west.Iraq has actually done alot to increase terrorism not to decrease it.Afghanistan they should have poured the troops into to smash the Taliban to pieces then spend billions rebuilding schools,hospitals etc so Muslim groups would have had less to draw support from as iits hard to convince people to join a fight against a enemy who just rebuilt a country and brought them a better life.Iraq is doomed and will only ever get worse everybody knows this just get the ---- out before anymore young Americans die needlessly in a shithole country.There are reasons people hate the west and fixing those would be a good start not all are fixable but some of there reasons are kinda just. :-\

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dmc1, agreed.

i support the effort of our military to bring stability to iraq and fight terrorism.

but, i don't think this war has anything to do with terrorism or weapons of mass destruction. its a sad reality that certain people in our government want this war because they are making lots of money from very lucrative defense contracts. also we are learning that we were misled into invading iraq in the first place, that intelligence was not only flawed. but intentionally misrepresented to sway the public that saddam was a serious threat.

but none of that matters now because we are already committed and cannot turn back, or cut and run, as the conservatives so elloquently put it.

what does matter is that all of the scandals and what not have underminded our faith in our so called intelligence estimates, not to mention the rest of the world is growing skeptical of our intentions.

point is, how do we know what we are told is true? before the democrats became elected all we kept hearing is how we are winning and "full speed ahead" , "stay the course". when in reality we cannot win this war, all we can do is hope to bring stability to the country and try not to make the same mistakes twice.

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you know what, even though i am not from the states, i can agree, that to some degree, some action is called for, but for the right causes, not for the wrong ones, and that includes making money, which alot is being made from this war. this war is not being fought for the liberation of the iraqi people, you guys need to remember something, remember how once upon a time the american government was looking for weapons of mass destruction? well who do you think sold those weapons to him, iraq was once upon a time a friend of the states, who do you think put the taliban into power, it was once a "police force" the states also once helped afghanistan fight a war, the true enemy here is iran and not iraq, iraq has the oil and the gas from the caspian sea that people want, it has nothing to do with the liberation of the iraqi people, that crap sells the war to the people, ther american citizens, well by your posts, it's not working anymore, needless lives are being lost, and for what? because we consume so much resources that we suck the life out of other countries, all for money, but what if the terrorists did not strike the twin towers, what if it had nothing to do with any of that? what if it was a ploy by the american government to sell the war to the people and allow the government to invade a country which as never once attacked american soil. food for thought.

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its all about oil, and it always will be.


we hung saddam on the deaths of ~180 people from 25years ago.
what about the hundreds of thousands who have died in darfour?? what are we doing about that?? << not that i really care

i wouldnt have a problem with what we are doing if we werent lied to. tell me we need the ------- oil so we are gonna take it and so be it. dont tell me some sob ------- story about who some camel jockey killed to save face, just go take that ---- and be done with it. saves a lot of money spent on PR people in the gov't.
we are the ------- greatest we dont need approval, we take what we want.

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lol, people hoping for socialism to relieve thier responsibilities. How cute.

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Steve, no. Try again.

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why not?

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Tru Tru. Isreal has almost mastered Hodji suppression :D Btw, Isreal is armed. Its one of the strongest militaries in the world, numb nuts. And our intelligence agencies could learn a thing or two from them. When they get attacked by a suicide bomber, they find out what cell they are from and bomb the ---- outta every damn person behind it that they can find. In fact, when their athletes were killed during the olympics they hunted the perps down for I think it was over 10 years. Only one guy got away. Those Jews know how to ---- someone up. We should seriously model our anti-terrorist policies after theirs.

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Isreali fighter pilots are second to none as well. And like I said before most of our pre 9/11 weapons and tactics were modeled after an all out war with Russia. So basically all we had were hammers at the time so we needed to go find something we could nail.

A hammer doesn't help a whole lot when your looking for a needle in a hay stack.

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we are doing the right thing in iraq. the media paints a picture otherwise which sickens me. Clintons News Network drives me insane which is why i stick away from it as much as possible

anyone heard of georges sada? one of saddams most trusted generals? pick up his book that recently came out. it reveals a lot of things that never came out publicly. for example, he personally knew the pilots that flew wmd's out of iraq before the us invasion. he was one of the most trusted advisors saddam had.

what do you hear more of? the stories of the thousands of iraqi's who thank US troops daily for being there? or the stories of iraqi insurgents (most of whom aren't actually iraqi but hadji's who hopped into the country) killing more people with more carbombs and suicide bombings and whatnot.

does everyone forget how saddam ran iraq before we took over? no one seems to care to remember how he killed anyone who opposed him? how people were hung in the streets, had their tongues cut out, how family members and families just dissapeared? anyone take a deeper look into how messed up his own family was and what they did to the people?

and, i hate this arguement but its true, because it shows two points in one. how many times saddam blatantly ignored the UN. i hate thsi because i also hate the worthless UN, who hasn't done anything productive in over 25 years.

its not like we went and invaded strawberry shortcake land like liberals like to pretend.

ok say its for oil. why are we going to complain since gas may possibly be cheaper for us anyways. if we really wanted to drop prices, we'd bypass opec and start drilling alaska. not to mention canada has the largest oil reserves in the world, once its cost effective to get it out of the sand that is.

regardless of crude prices, gas companies still are raking in fortunes. look at their profit margins over the last 5 years. regardless of price of crude, gas prices rose (which are finally falling) and the gasoline companies still had profit increases. gas still comes through them who will set the prices as they will. if every gasoline company decided tomorrow to nationally set the price to 5.00 a gallon. what would we do? boycott? maybe. will it work? no. why? our country, hell our world, depends on gasoline too heavily. how many people commute how many miles a day to get to and from work. how many miles do truckers cover to get ---- we need to us. we will pay whatever the price because for now we depend on it.

haha someone says we should arm the isrealis? what do you think we've been doing is wwII. how do you think they even got to where they are today if we hadn't been supporting for the last few decades.

haha, poor russia, thats all there really is to say about that part of the world. a slowly decaying wasteland.

next threats we need to worry about. iran, lead by a man who has specifically and on many accounts threatened "holy" and "nuclear" fire on all infidels and obviously hates the US and basically all white folk. north korea, only because they can sell their dirty nukes, not because of a direct threat to us but how they indirectly could. saudi arabia, because their friendship is only a veil to their deep seated hatred of anyone that isn't them, especially the US (which is why i love the irony in having a military base there). and eventually, china. with a third of the worlds population, whom for the majority may be dirt cheap, they have the manpower to produce whatever they may need. they are our greatest ally yet eventually i see them becoming our worst enemy.

sorry for the long post. at least i used paragraphs

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right well, who do you think put saddam in power? who helped the mujahideen fight the russians and actually created al qaeda ? the united states did.

so why are we in afganstan/iraq and maybe soon to be in iran/syria/north korea/pakistan or any other country we cn find a good excuse to invade?

i doubt many people would protest this war if it was for a valid cause, theres quite a few investigations going on right now revealing that dick cheney manipulated intelligence to favor an iraq invasion, and that he and others have lied to investigators and the public. so why should we believe any of what mr bush says now? hell he didn't even tell the truth about how many more troops the really plan on surging over there, because someone forgot that 21,500 combat troops need 20,000 support personnel.

but none of this ---- is new, read up on vietnam and watergate, the similarities are disturbing.

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so now we're the bad guys for fixing a problem we started decades ago? at least we're better late than never.

btw i like your sig

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quote your sources

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why so you can try and discredit them?

its pretty easy to do a google search or go to the library and find quite a few books on all these subjects, but since you are the one who started this thread i think it would be more interesting if you explained your position.

but since you asked heres a few:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.1...wk.us.iraq.htm


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...11_challenged/

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/200...ert_action.php

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/...eref=rss_world

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i meant to only quote this:

you sources a far left "progressive" website for your fact about this?

abiout saddam i already know that, and there is nothing wrong with funding the afgani fighters against the soviets, or helping saddam when he was fighting iran

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The US has had to go by this statement time to time:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Look at WWII.

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wwII sorta. we pretty much stayed out of it with our isolationist ideals until the japs fucked up and bombed pearl harbor and when the krauts fucked up and started sinking our ships with their u-boats. until these things happened we pretty much stayed back as much as possible.

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he was referering to the soviet union

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right, everything that disagrees with the white house is just leftist propaganda, just like global warming, lol.

heres a pbs documentary

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/

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Because right now war is part of your economy, it gives bush the right to just keep printing money and abondon fiscal responsibility.

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if you knew someone has the ultimate goal was to destroy you and are doing everything they can to get those means, are you going to sit back and let them achieve those means? ---- no i'm not

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::)

hear that everyone, "bush" is printing money. "bush" controls every single aspect of government.

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no such things as checks and balances right? ugh. forget crimes against humanity, we're just oil and war mongering. all non liberals are sporting horns under our hair right? oh johnny you left your pitchfork over at my place last week, since everyone that disagrees with the left seems to be narrow minded whining wimpy evil incarnates. just like mama says, dat bush n all those republicans is da devil!

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