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J-SMITH69 06-27-2005 10:57 PM

flat rate head gasket swap
 
the last time i took the heads off this engine, i read the wrong torque specs and under-torqued the head bolts by 35ft-lbs

lol, lets just say the head lifted and caused some irreversable head gasket damage. its to my understanding the after one torque these stock 5.0 head bolts are garabge, i dont have any cash right now, and i need the car. so the bolts go back on overtorqued 10 ft-lbs... as if it would made a difference :-\

anyways, replaced the gasket, pulls more vacuum now. i loaned my timing gun to a friend and dont have it, so i set it to a nice idle and i guess i better not get on the gas until i set it right ;)


oh, it was flat rate because i reused the IM gaskets and just siliconed up the front and rear IM gaskets :)
i also bought a real fitting for the drivers side turbo. instead of the stock elbow tube thing that was on there before. if you look close you can see it lol

pics and little video 8)

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jbliss/Mustang/HG1.jpg

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jbliss/Mustang/HG2.jpg

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jbliss...ang_idling.wmv

FooK 06-27-2005 11:36 PM

Re: flat rate head gasket swap
 
was a friend o mine, til i caught him in my car tryin to steal a alpine

EAZY E YO

accordepicenter 06-27-2005 11:41 PM

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i bet youll be making quit a bit more power when your headgaskets actually seal lol

88dx 06-27-2005 11:41 PM

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i think hotrex could post a better vid :P

FooK 06-27-2005 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 88dx
i think hotrex could post a better vid :P

haha, i doubt it.

needahonda 06-27-2005 11:46 PM

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reuse your head bolts...they wernt streached in the first place ...i've reused them before on engines ive put together and no problems.

J-SMITH69 06-27-2005 11:52 PM

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id make a cooler video if i had my timing gun. i set it to "good idle" lol. its probably advancing 36 degrees at wot :)

J-SMITH69 06-27-2005 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by needahonda
reuse your head bolts...they wernt streached in the first place ...i've reused them before on engines ive put together and no problems.

all the people ive talked to say the stockers are garbage after one usage

needahonda 06-28-2005 12:02 AM

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but you under torqued them ...so they shouldnt have streached... dont over torqure them.... if its not to late ???


BTW take my advise about 5.0's with a grain of sand....never worked on them...but i have rebuilt 3 engines before

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by needahonda
but you under torqued them ...so they shouldnt have streached... dont over torqure them.... if its not to late ???


BTW take my advise about 5.0's with a grain of sand....never worked on them...but i have rebuilt 3 engines before

you rebuilt thee 302cid 5.0 HO roller cam engines? or 3 engines of random orgin total?

i bought the car with a blow HG, reused those bolts. undertorqued them, but they were orginals. and i just re-used themagain :_p

needahonda 06-28-2005 12:10 AM

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ive worked on a 280z turbo engine , toyota 22ret factory turbo engine, and a miata engine (twice :P) all were new barings rings and seals. built with factory parts. and all are living happy lives =)

ic what your saying...since they were used before you under torqued them they are still streached.....id say get a new pair ready just incase you blow another head gasket :-X

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by needahonda
ive worked on a 280z turbo engine , toyota 22ret factory turbo engine, and a miata engine (twice :P) all were new barings rings and seals. built with factory parts. and all are living happy lives =)

ic what your saying...since they were used before you under torqued them they are still streached.....id say get a new pair ready just incase you blow another head gasket :-X

yeah some bolts are better quality than others, some are torque to yield ext...

i think the other guys have more experience with the 5.0 HO engine. im gunna buy some ARP studs once i get some cash

Cadracer 06-28-2005 01:11 AM

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;DSo is it ready to come up an play with the beast???? >:D
Or you gonna hide in oregon....Just ribbin ya...Anyway seems like you can tear that thing down in your sleep now.I wouldnt worry to much about those head bolts if they didnt break when you torqued them down then they are gonna do just fine.
Gonna go a different direction on the chevy....305 baby with forged pistons aluminum heads an nice hyd roller cam.Built to the hilt 700r4 trans setup or the manual t5 that i have sitting hear now....HMMMMM.... an 15psi boost lets see what happens.......

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadracer
;DSo is it ready to come up an play with the beast???? >:D
Or you gonna hide in oregon....Just ribbin ya...Anyway seems like you can tear that thing down in your sleep now.I wouldnt worry to much about those head bolts if they didnt break when you torqued them down then they are gonna do just fine.
Gonna go a different direction on the chevy....305 baby with forged pistons aluminum heads an nice hyd roller cam.Built to the hilt 700r4 trans setup or the manual t5 that i have sitting hear now....HMMMMM.... an 15psi boost lets see what happens.......

heh, after i get rollin here with my job and get some checks i should be able to play around more :)

MAF + injectors + boost + DRs + 11 flat + tickets

couple nights ago i was showin off for my pops... on this long straight out in the country i got on it hard through 3rd (bout 110) with the blown HG... i guess somsone called the cops. here is a qoute from one of the officers "the lady said it sounded and accelerated like a racecar" lmao

they tried to get me to admit to it so they could dish out some fines

cop: "so you got a lead foot"
me: "no"
silence... looks around
cop: "so what, the car is pretty fast"
me: "no, its just a car"
sighs...
cop: "well take it to the track next time"
me: "ok bye"

lol

Cadracer 06-28-2005 01:23 AM

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:o

Your in the boonies as it is wtf...lol

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadracer
:o

Your in the boonies as it is wtf...lol

i know. some old people are such grumps.

3rd time the cops have came to my house

other two times my neighbor calls em says im doing circles ala nascar around the block, when my car is just sitting in the driveway idling lmao.

accordepicenter 06-28-2005 01:49 AM

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ehh cops have only showed up at my house 1x or 2x... that was when i used to assclown around town back in the day. Now im still open dp and cops still dont give it a second look >:D

mycrx 06-28-2005 10:53 AM

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do u every use copper spray or anything on your hg when u reuse them, ive used it on all head gaskets if im re-using them works good.

USS 06-28-2005 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mycrx
do u every use copper spray or anything on your hg when u reuse them, ive used it on all head gaskets if im re-using them works good.

I've heard copper spray works well, but I've seen some Ford manuals that say to spray the head gaskets with aluminum paint. Straight up aluminum paint. Anybody else ever heard of this?

BTW, car sounds bad ass ;)

hoggy 06-28-2005 04:24 PM

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I had a sheriff come to my house once after blowing by his house at 135. That was kinda funny. I was on my bike btw.

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 06:05 PM

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i didnt re-use the headgasket lol

i reused the IM gaskets

mycrx 06-28-2005 06:06 PM

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dam lol, coulda reused it and been joe dirt flat rate style. :P

FooK 06-28-2005 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mycrx
dam lol, coulda reused it and been joe dirt flat rate style. :P

who re-uses a blown headgasket? thats the equivalent of "shouldnt be touching a car" ghetto

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FooK

Originally Posted by mycrx
dam lol, coulda reused it and been joe dirt flat rate style. :P

who re-uses a blown headgasket? thats the equivalent of "shouldnt be touching a car" ghetto

i could've covered the entire gasket with high temp silicone

mycrx 06-28-2005 08:04 PM

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i duno fook who goes through 4 dseries motors b4 they are smart enough to take off the fuckn pan to check it out.

mikeflys1 06-28-2005 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike

Originally Posted by needahonda
reuse your head bolts...they wernt streached in the first place ...i've reused them before on engines ive put together and no problems.

all the people ive talked to say the stockers are garbage after one usage

You can re-use them....stock 5.0 ones arent TTY. IIRC only the 4.6 and v6 had tty headbolts.

FooK 06-28-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mycrx
i duno fook who goes through 4 dseries motors b4 they are smart enough to take off the fuckn pan to check it out.

You haven't the slightest clue as to how smart I am. Don't start with me kid.

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 09:43 PM

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https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jbliss...g_somerevs.wmv

linkmustang 06-28-2005 10:14 PM

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the bolts are fine

what the hells with the boost gauge i thought it was to be 0 to u rev that it moves

FooK 06-28-2005 10:19 PM

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no, with the car off they sit at about zero.

at idle you can see 18-22 in vacuum, cruising about 10-15 vacuum, and in decelleration 22-26, and of course in boost you see positive pressure

linkmustang 06-28-2005 10:30 PM

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true

J-SMITH69 06-28-2005 10:55 PM

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0 would be no vacuum (full throttle)

i dont know very many non-douche bags that full throttle rev their engines lmao

linkmustang 06-29-2005 11:33 AM

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ya how did it work with the fmu


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