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Who is everyone going to vote for, any democrats? Republicans? Just wondering what everyone's political standpoint was.

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What election?
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The presidential one in November, you know, between Bush and some other guy. ;)

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Oh, that one. I dunno. Which one has good views? :P
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What views are good? What do you think about the war in Iraq?

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I beleive bush will win, jsut becasue the new guys jsut point out the negative that bush has caused, and really have no real solution, and the solution they have to decrease spending, raise taxes, etc to decrease teh national debt is pretty much BS, because its actually gonna increase it. ITs late, i really dont want to explain it, but ive been reading on this political stuff lately, and plan to vote, and these democrates make no sense 95% of the time.

Bush isnt the greatest guy, but he's gettng the job done, and he;s hell of alot better than the last president we had, who was a democrat.

Oh, and national debt really is no big deal, its just a number, lol. Lets jsut keep people out of office like nader, who wanted to eliminate all internal combustion engines, which would then lead way electrics, and i really hate electric's, that ---- hurts. Could you imagine working on one, holy ----, woops, forgot to disconnect the battery, "touch socket to bolt", you get electrocuted, that would suck, 12 volts aint no ----- ----. Sorry, its late, and im buzzin right now, have a good night.

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Y49, you said Bush is doing a decent job? What exactly has he done except sent troops to die?

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Is that still going on?

I don't follow any of this ----. I hate politics and the drama associated with it, not to be confused with "I don't give a ---- what happens to our country". Sorry, I'll stay out of this thread. Carry on....... :)
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Well, the war isn't still really going on. We own Iraq pretty much, but our troops get killed all the time.

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There really isn't a perfect president or a perfect party, but I'm 100% republican. I can't stand the thought of our borders being wide open, but bush will get my vote. I hope he catches alot of ---- about it though. I can't see myself voting for a democrat in this lifetime due to these reasons:

People get what they deserve. You don't over tax successful people to give the money to people who don't have the ability to think for themselves.

We're America, and if we need to police the world in order to secure our own safety/freedom, do it. That's reason enough.

We vote because we like your idea's, not because your running on the "I hate everything about our president" campaign.

Marriage is, and always has been between a man and a woman. If you want to have a joint 401k with some dude you butt-----, that's fine. But we're not going to compromise our heritage and our customs for you.

There's many other topics, but these are some of the main reasons I vote the way I do. ;)

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I vote for the best man. I will NEVER choose a party. its insane just to choose a party just to vote for hte party.

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More people die every year from choking on food than the war in Iraq. Don't you care about those guys????? Oh wait, the troops are securing your freedom. ::)

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Oh ----, looks like this thread will be locked within a few hours. :-\
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Holy crap, i just realized why i love stealthmode, he's so awsome, and so me. I hope to grow up to be like you stealth.

Anyways, im glad i cam e back on, becasue i would have said exactly what stealth did, i too am replublican, i was raised that way, but i really do beleive, why tax people who work hard for their monye more and give to the lazy. Its not our fault you didnt feel like finishing high school. Thats why theres scholorships and grants to get the poor into schools, that way, we can afford out own stuff, and not take from the wealthy. And i dont mean rich, i mean living good, but working for it. 8 years of schooling, and almost 20 years with a company, to support other people jsut isnt right.

Oh, this doesnt apply to myself, but it applies to my family. THe people that raise me, and the people i plam to end up like.

I really have no view on teh war in iraq, it would be nice to be outta there, and have nothing to do with it, maybe snatch some oil up or soemthing, but what bush does, he does, your not going to find a democrat thats going to do any better. And we have no other republicans going for office right now, and theres really no independents hitting big, so i guess bush will have to do.

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Hey buddy, I didn't finish high school, but I can guarentee you won't be "supporting" me in any way.
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Just want to give you guys a heads up the public isn't buying the WMD talk anymore and people are starting to really see that Bush is only trying to create fear in the american public to make it seem has he is controlling the terrorists. Bush has his hands full with Kerry who is an awarded Vietnam viet. I personally hate the fact that a number of my friends fought in the Iraq war based on a fabrication of truth. I have a very strong feeling you guys better get use to the face of John Kerry.

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Sorry doc, i didnt mean to intend that just becasue you dropped out of hs doesnt mean you cant support yourself, i m really speaking of the folks that make no money jsut becasue they dont try, adn travel from shitty job after shitty job, just to make no money, only becasue they have no intention to support themselves, an djust go out and buy more booze.

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vote bush

if it was a perfect world id vote for harry browne

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*cough*Hypocrite*cough*




I thought this was interesting

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Bush is just trying to make it seem he's controlling the terrorists, huh? You didn't happen to see that saddam in a hole video, did ya? Turning violent leaders into hiding cowards is also translated into "controlling"
Weapons or no weapons, the world is now a little better without saddam. (go ahead and say no to that one) ;)

Your friends didn't fight in a war based on fabrication of truth. If the CIA doesn't have the right information, that wouldn't be "fabrication of truth" on the presidents part. That would be the president getting wrong information, and acting in YOUR best interest based on that wrong information.:o But all of a sudden since nobody actually found the weapons, you hate the "fact?" ??? (The president fabicating the truth is only a fact in your head)

I have a friend over in Iraq right now. I don't "personally" feel anything. I'm here at my house. What could possibly effect me "personally" about my friend being there? People join the military knowing that killing people, and going to war is one of the main functions of thier job. It's not a government run babysitting program.

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I really think that Bush is going to lose with all this comotion about him being in the Air National Guard. I dont know about Kerry really...But i do think that he is going to win to represent the Democrats and then win the President election in November.

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i vote for no emissions, legal drinking age of 16, and obd0 for every new car released in the next 20 years.

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::)

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i dont see any reason to vote. lemme see... do i vote for this fuckhead, or this one? not only that, but the popular vote doesn't mean ----, its the electoral vote that counts. im tired of hearing "get out and vote." why?

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Bush is a ------- moron. As for the war in Iraq, one word, Halliburton. The biggest money making oil contract in the history of the universe went to this company and who is the CEO of this company? Dick Chaney the vice president.

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This is how political parties try to pursuade voters to vote a certain way. Now you have people that will vote against bush because of some fictional story that the other party threw out. That story hasn't been proved to be fact by anyone, yet now people are thinking about what they say Bush did 30 years ago, even though we all have a first hand look at what kind of president he will be (the last 4 years ;)) The other candidates have yet to convince people what kind of president they will be. It doesn't make much sense seeing how Bush is showing us what kind of president he is going to be.

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bush will win end of disscussion

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Whether or not he will win depends on who votes for him. I would have to say that I am pissed off that he sent us to Iraq, even more so now that we didn't find anything. The point is that our soldiers died protecting us from nothing, the nothing that we didn't find in Iraq. Saddam Hussein had no power, he was a figure head and hasn't been making decisions for the country in a while. I fail to see how Iraq had anything to do with terrorism. GW just had to finish his Daddy's war that his father failed to 14 years ago.

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Not if everyone gets as pissed off as I am

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Yeah, I remember Iraq being a really productive, positive country before all of this. :P No, Saddam never killed any of his own people for no reason. What a joke. ::) Democrats don't think about the thousands of people Saddam killed for no reason, but they sure do pop up in the news when we try to execute some filthy ---- that slaughters a whole family here in the states. Does this make sense to anyone? The attack on 9/11 didn't involve any WMD. We're not just going after weapons, we're going after the people that want to harm us. It's not all about weapons. Are you more pissed now, or are you gonna be more pissed when you can't go to sleep at night because you don't feel safe?
(I have ammunition to beat this subject to death if that's what you want) ;)

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I have never not felt safe. I felt safe when Saddam was executing his own people. Iraq had no intention of doing anything to us! They wouldnt dream of it because they know we'd rock them, like we did, for no reason. Like I said, Saddam wasn't in power when we captured him. So, we got him out of power by not doing anything. Was it worth it to free a country that hates us by killing our own troops. You can't force democracy on people. Are we going to go into every country on earth if they do something we don't like? It isn't about safety, it's about the United States "freeing" countries at the expense of our troops, they had a thing like this in the 1800's when Britain was colonizing Africa, what was that, oh yeah Imperialism.

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Saddam wasn't in power when we caught him because he was too busy hiding like a little bitch. So we should have left then? And then he pops back up and starts ruining Iraq again. UH DUH. ???
The people that are killing our troops are not the average Iraqi citizen. They are a very small percentage of the actual country.

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ooh whitey, former CEO. meaning A LONG FUCKIGN TIME AGO. comon man lots of people that are big buisness men go from company to company. bottom line is halliburton is the only company that could get fuel into a warzone for CHEAP.

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I knew I liked HMT for a reason...
anyway, now for Racerex's list of common misconceptions:
1. The president has any control over the economy.
--Lie, the federal reserve and Mr. Greenspan really control the economy. Whether it's up or down, if we blame the pres. we are really missing what's going on behind the scenes.
2. The media is fair and balanced.
--haha*snicker* Do you seriously beleive that?
3. It's cool to be a democrat.
--Lie. Such a beleif is based propaganda hoarded on us from the media which is heavily biased. Democrats and liberals have always received a cool appearance by the media, thus sucking in millions of young kids every day to follow their beleif system. You should pick a party whose platform most closely coincides with your values.
4. Because Bush's popularity in recent polls is down, he will surely lose in Nov.
--Not true. Bush has yet to begin any real campaigning, and even if he does lose in Nov. there would be no real way to tell that now.
5. My vote doesn't count and everyone running sucks, so why vote.
--Why would you lay down and die like that? The country doesn't need any more dead weight...do something!
6. Bush has lead us into a war so that innocent people will die for to find non-existant WMD's.
--Lie, even if no WMD's have been found or will be found, Bush was only a receiver of the intelligence, and he made the decision the best that he could based on what he had.
To have not acted would've been a much greater risk.
7. Bush sucks because he doesn't listen to other countries or UN.
--Lie. Bush has shown valor in letting his conscience dictate his actions, and not simply giving into this pressure. The country could use a few more independant thinkers.
--Well, that's a good start. Chew on those for a little while...and remember, things aren't always as they seem, and beleifs formed after only hearing one side of the story are only opinions and generally are not composed of any truth.

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it's interesting that a good number of people on this board have such strong opinions about our leaders when the only things they know about them are based on news editorials and THE DAILY SHOW. C'MON PEOPLE. think for yourselves for a change.

It's like...

would you rather get AIDS and then try to fight it off, or would you like to prevent HIV from getting into your system in the first place? It's the same ------- thing. Kicking the ---- out of Iraq was like goddamn flu shot for the good ol' US of A. THE CIA GAVE CLINTON THE SAME INFO REGARDING SADDAM, AND HE DID *NOTHING*. Didn't act on it. At least Bush is entertaining the possibility that some ------- is sitting on a button that could wipe out a US city.

Nevermind that we haven't found any WMDs yet. the fact is, Iraq was a terrorist country with a ruthless dictator who only cared about money. Did you know that "technically" it was a democracy, but when people went to vote, only Saddams name was on the ballot? anyone who ran against him was just straight up killed.

Iraq invaded Kuait (sp?), what, 10 years ago? Why? Money. We went in to take it back. Why? several reasons. One, we knew that if Iraq took control of that country's oil resources, our economy would have a really shitty time of it. Sure we told everybody that we wanted to liberate this country from invasion, but that was only half of it. Our government is a business. It takes money to run it, and if our economy is in the toilet, it has to spend all it's money on government programs to pick up all the poor and destitute off the ground and put them back on their feet. Two, we were the only country with enough strength to do so.

So fast forward to present day. Weapons inspectors aren't being allowed to see the things they want to see. Sound suspicious? Yes. That's like a cop saying "show me your hands" and you keep them in your pockets. Is he going to think you've got a gun? Yes. Eventually the officer is going to have to shoot. We shot.

I have a cousin exactly 5 years younger than me--we share the same birthday. About a week ago, his battalion was sent to Iraq. He's his unit's machine gunner, responsible for defending his unit. I asked him what he thought of this whole war. He's like, "well, i'd rather be in school, but I think the US needs to be here right now, and we need to get the job done." He's ready for action. Bush isn't sending soldiers to die, he's sending them to do their job.

When it comes to the presidential election, try not to think of who is the best candidate, because there really isn't one. Try to vote for the one who could do the least amount of harm through their actions OR INACTIONS.

sorry for the long post.

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Well said.

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Oh yeah, if anyone wants to get a laugh out of our crazy ass political climate, check out this comic:

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html