DSM 420a Questions
 

I didnt know if this should of been posted in hybrid so ---- it i posted it here. Mods move if you want i dont care.

Ok, i have a 1999 Eclipse RS 5 spd with the gay ass 420a in it. Ive been trying to rid myself of this vehicle but with much dismay i still have it. now, it runs just fine and it doesnt throw any codes and it just recently hit 77k miles. I want to know about swapping in the 6 bolt 4g63 and after researching it im still ------- confused. all the DSM forums say to sell the car and get a turbo version, or that it cost a ton of money to do. My question is, should i build the 420a or swap in a 6bolt? and if i can swap in the 6 bolt what will it take to make the swap work. I want some damn clarification because even on here people seem to mis-inform others because they just dont know. i have no problem building the 420a because i can get the parts needed from hahn racecraft, but i would like the 4g63. Oh yeah, one more thing. the stock clutch on my car is a combined unit. the pressure plate is pressed onto the flywheel so i have to replace both when the clutch get toasted. ------ mitsubishi. I was wondering if i can use aftermarket or other stock oem parts to change it so the the flywheel and the clutch kit are two sparate pieces. i would sell before boosting but i cant get rid of it. im asking 5600

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like the dsmers say to much of a hassle to swap the turbo motor in just boost the motor it has or buy a turbo. The wiring is ------- rediculous to convert to a turbo 4g63. Quite a few people have turboed 420a's now that actually make very decent numbers and dont crankwalk like there 4g63 bretheren :y As for the clutch im not sure never was very interested in the 420a motor :-\

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you can get aftermarket clutches that are like yours, and i would thnk you could switch over to a normal one just byusing a new flywheel (i dont think all years of 420's have that style clutch) but im not positive... did you try searching on 2gnt.com or whatever that site is?

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i dont know if you've checked this site out but it could help u a lot if u choose to swap. i would say swap for a 6 bolt cuz there a strong motor and if u build it it would be almost indestructable.

http://www.vfaq.com/

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I would just count your losses and sell it. Those 420a's pop headgaskets like it's their job. My buddy's got a built 420a with the hahn kit and it only layed down 295whp at 18psi. Thats weaksauce if you ask me. Then he popped a headgasket. Not to mention that those platforms are lacking options when it comes to tuning. He was running the Hahn Portfueler setup which is basiclly like a glorified extra injector setup. Before that, an fmu. I guess megasquirt is always an option, but you don't sound like you are very fond of wiring. I say just get rid of it, or drive it like it is.

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well the headgasket situation i dont think would be a problem i mean if i did turbo it i would probably o-ring the block and use arp hardware. im jsut wonedering if its worth it. all i know is i want somehting faster then my scion is and i have the rs so i figured i should look at my options.

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a friend of mine built one up and went something like 13.5 at 118 (on chrome 18s lol)...they can be made fast, but its not as easy as just upping the boost on a factory turbo one. weigh your options carefully

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yeah im aware im just tired of being so close to boost and then having something jump out in front of me like a deer when im going triple digit speed. thats never happened but ive been robbed of boost about four times now and counting and im ------- tired of it. i wont really be able to do anyhting till i refinance anyways...

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420A is a Neon motor, not a Mitsubishi one.

Good luck with the headgaskets; the problem is the heads are fastened down with self-tapping sheet metal screws.

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dunno if that was a jokr or the truth but either case i think an oringed block and arp fasteners should do the trick. looks like the current buyer just backed out. i think ima boost the 420. gona take a little while though. anyone had any problem with the suspension on these cars? or is it like working on a honda.

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by the way the 420a (eclipse) is not a neon motor is it just based off one, and just happens to be named the same as the one in the eclipse. Both motors were made by dymler chrystler or however you spell it. not once did i say it was a mitsubishi powerplant. i was referring to the clutch design which was finalized by mitsubishi for use in the eclipse with the 420a powerplant. once again ---- mitsubishi. thanks for the support though

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my good buddy is in the process of oh, a whole bunch of ---- with his 96 rs. you think the clutch deal is funny wait till you go to teardown the block and see that it is 3 different pieces. :S

suspension is super ------- easy, just like a honda, rear disc brakes are ------- simple as hell, just grab a gs hub (brake lines are the same). you can use gsx front 2piston calipers on the front by changing the caliper, caliper mount, and the rotor.

I dont know of any problems with the headgasket deal, his was 100% stock 160K+ miles, and weve revved the fucker to 7600 rpm at least 3 times a day.

Right now, he is going boost with 8.8:1 wiseco pistons on eagle rods, arp rod bolts, arp headstuds, oem headgasket, and lots of other miscellaneous ----. hes using the megasquirt + spark, and regulates boost strictly off of the wastegate spring.

turbo out of breath? :y

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where you from... ill probably just grab the whole rear trailing arm assemblies and the front spindles and call it a day. thats way easier then tearing them down in the yard. oh yeah should i change out the master cylinder/booster as well? maybe for a gst one? im gonna try and fix her up a little bit before i do anything. and maybe i should buy a repair manual. ---- here i go again....oh well at least this time its not on a complete pile of ---- car :P

yeah, thats what i was thinking just barely reaching 300 on 18psi? someone needs a nice turbo like this one from blaastperformance:

http://www.blaastperformance.com/index.php?p=t3t04bv

either one should work well and for the power the .63/.60 seems pretty sweet, oh well im off to work O0 , hey slo if you can man can you link me some good websites? ive already went to 2gnt.com and was checking that out thanks to ghettoturbo. Late

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ARP makes self tapping sheet metal screws?

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the 420a makes okay numbers but I still don't like the engine. My cousin chad turbo'd his eclipse w/ 420a on a Hahn kit, and was running 5 psi non-intercooled... felt slower than my CRX NA :l

That's not terrible, but how built was it? just pistons/rods?

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It's not Mitsubishi's fault you bought their abortion version of the eclipse. If you wanted performance, then you should have gone with their engine that was built for exactly that, and has proven to be stout as hell right out of the box. What's next, you going to buy a Lancer OZ, and then try to make it as fast as a Lancer Evo?

Well, good luck either way, but I think you're wasting time and money. Sell the thing, pick up a turboed 1g for 2-3k, and go to town!

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tell you what ju keep this on the back burner. when things go through ill run it aginst your 1g tsi and let the results do the talking. keep in mind it may take a little bit due to lack of funds but it will get there.

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well i would sell the car on ebay...take WHATEVER I COULD GET FOR IT....go find someone to kick your ass :y and then buy something that is not a DSM...trust me i have own two (1. 420a and 1. 4g63) and they both sucked ass



but if you dont' want to do that then i would recomend doing every bolt on that you can and then go get a 100shot of NAWWWWWWWS and blow it up and just walk away


no no no just WALK AWAY!!!!!

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Sorry, I am not about to drive to Florida to get there and after the race have to listen to "well it wasn't fair because I'm FWD, we should do it from a roll" BS. Then once the race is over, we can even compare what we payed, dollar for dollar. I'm guessing that the amount of money I have into my car (including the cost of the car itself), is probably what you paid for your car alone. You're talking about not having a lot of money, well then why are you trying to turn a heavy ass glorified neon into a racer? A guy on our site just picked up a 1g tsi for 700 bucks. I paid a little more for my shell (2k), but it's an Arizona car, and absolutely rust free.

But the HMT all member meet is coming up hopefully sometime soon here isn't it, so what do you say? I'm ready.

Again good luck with it, but if money is a concern, I think you have better options out there man. Not trying to totally hate on you, just giving you my opinion on it all. Good luck either way.

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We are from TN. as far as sites go, I dont know of any, Everything I have done to the vehicle, I have done just by common knowledge. From what I understand, and what we are going to do is rock the factory master cylinder, proportioning valve. Mainly because the GS (which has 4 wheel discs) shares the same part as the RS, and thats where he robbed the discs from.

Id keep rocking the eclipse. well rounded n/a eclipses are few and far between.

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Given the Evo's faggot gearbox, stuck in a faggot 3500 lb chassis with faggot 25% AWD drivetrain loss, that should be neither hard nor expensive. :1

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The swap sucks because the motor and tranny are mounted on opposite sides. The wiring isn't horrbile if you use the turbo harness and all autometer gauges and this and this and this and that .... oh ---- it buy a turbo one I helped with the swap in one and ---- that it ran but none of the lights worked right nothing. We ended up wiring all the lights and ---- up race car style to switches in the radio area. :6

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first off, cmoney you need to shut the hell up. All because you have had bad luck/suck at working on eclipses doesnt mean others have to. lemme guess you would of told neu, the guy with the red escort, that it is dumb to rock one and that he should go with something else. or that every guy here that has turboed a d15b2 is stupid and should go kill themselves. or even the guy that dropped a 1.5L d series in his integra that he is a ------- moron and should burn in hell. no i think not. this site isnt strictlky for hondas and acuras or even for the highend trim of a certain vehicle. its for the guy that wants to turbocharge his ------- car no matter what the engine, and the topics that go along with it. you dick, ive been here for almsot three years and bitch ass people such as yourself tend to degrade things around here simply because you cant comprehend them. Also, if i chose to use nitrous instead of boosting an engine it doenst make me a ricer you fag it means i looked at my options and felt that it was the best bang for my buck. So just think twice before you open that mouth of yours.

Ju - it doesnt really matter about the money now does it? i can put a ---- load of money into any vehice and make it fast. the only think im saying is the cash flow on my side is a little low so things get done slower.As far as FWD Vs AWD i could give a ---- and i wont have any excuses, thats because i understand how ---- works. Of course you are gonna take off like a bat out of hell, i know this man, but if i walk on you then i dont want you to cry about it. As far as from a roll is concerned it basically eliminates the launch factor and also the type of drivetrain doesnt really come into play. if i did run it i would do both just to know where i stand. if from a launch you beat me but frron a roll and im even close to staying with you then im happy. only thing i dont want to hear is that we ran it from a launch and when you topped out second, you won.

just as a notice i doubt ill be ready by the all member meet. im not backing out or being a bitch im just letting you know where im at financially. i was fired and out of work for about a week and i jsut recently found a new job so there was another little hiccup in my plans.other then that saving money up for my setup is going to be slow until late oct /early november. that is when i can refinance my scion and will have more cash to dump into the eclipse.

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For some reason I thought you had said something about you being in a money crunch, that's why I brought up money. Otherwise, hey good luck with it. I know what I'd do if I were you, but I'm not you, and to each his own. Post up once you're done because I'll be curious. And if I go down to Pensacola to meet up with my old friend, we'll line em up. From a dig, AND from a roll

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His screen name is Sinner...

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thaks JD - im not to good with names. :1

Yeah, im looking into it as we speak im going to do some financial planning so i can at least put something into the car after every paycheck and i get paid every week. so it should be straight.

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I'd say sell the Scion and buy a car that runs well for ~$1500. Putting a lot of money into a car is not a smart move when you're broke as ----.

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true, maybe ill see what happens on craigslist. otherwise im keeping it.