Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

THis is what the Govt wanted you to see...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNL6DyH_IfA

Full communication between the two sides magically edited out to make it seem SPOOKY :l
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DSlKlv6h0Y

Pentagon says, "nah, we were just kidding".
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Threats..._01132008.html


And now for commentary a few days later at the Republican debate:


HUCKABEE: I'm going to trust that the president, with the information that he had and that those com-manders had, made the right decision. I think we need to make it very clear, not just to the Iranians, but to anybody, that if you think you're going to engage the United States military, be prepared not simply to have a battle. Be prepared, first, to put your sights on the American vessel. And then be prepared that the next things you see will be the gates of Hell, because that is exactly what you will see after that.


THOMPSON: I think I agree with the governor on that. You can't take the judgment like that out of the hands of the officers on the ground there. I think one more step and they would have been introduced to those virgins that they're looking forward to seeing.
(LAUGHTER)
Iran was clearly testing us. They took British hostages under similar circumstances and it proceeded ob-viously much past what happened to us, but they're testing our resolve. They know that they're dealing with a nation that's not going to put up with that sort of thing. But it's some insight as to the way that they're thinking.

I think the Revolutionary Guard now has taken over from the regular military force with regard to those speedboats and so forth, so they're going to get a little more frisky. But they need to understand that if they cross the line, they're going to be destroyed.


GIULIANI: Well, this really should give us some sort of indication that the NIE should not be inter-preted as the -- the National Intelligence Estimate, where it was suggested that possibly Iran had stopped their nuclear program in 2003, high confidence that they stopped it in 2003, only moderate confidence that they haven't continued it.

I think an incident like this reminds us that we shouldn't be lulled into some false sense of confidence about Iran. We have to be very focused on the fact that Iran should not be allowed to become a nuclear power. We should make it very, very clear that we're not going to allow that, and we should go to every country that we can think of to impose serious sanctions on Iran.

There are also indications that there are economic problems within Iran itself, domestic difficulties in Iran.We've seen some conflict between some of the leaders there. Maybe by using this incident and the fact that Iran certainly shouldn't be seen as benign, as some people saw it when they tried to spin the NIE, as suggesting that maybe we were being too serious about Iran. It would seem to me that this inci-dent should wake a lot of people up.


MCCAIN: If I'd have been the captain of the ship, I probably would have assessed the situation as it was at the time. And for those of us who are not in that situation to second guess is a little bit presumptuous. It's a long, hard process to become the commander of a Navy ship. These are the most professional and well trained and capable people in the world.

And since our beginning days as an independent nation, we've had conflicts over the issue of freedom of the seas, dating back to the Barbary pirates, dating back to World War I when German u-boats were sinking U.S. maritime ships, to the outbreak of -- led to the outbreak of World War II, as well.

MCCAIN: I agree with Rudy. Maybe the Iranians think we're weaker because of the NIE. Maybe the Iranians aren't really slowing their export of most lethal explosive devices into Iraq.

And I believe the president of the United States made the right statement. He told them that we will pre-serve the fundamental principle of freedom of the sea, and he will do what's necessary in order to pre-serve it.

So I believe these people -- these commanding officers made the right decision, and I believe that we entrusted their ships and the lives of the people under them in the most appropriate fashion.

But don't think that this wasn't a serious situation of the utmost seriousness in one of the most important waterways in the world, because of so much of the world's oil goes through there.

The Iranians better understand that the United States will stick to its many years-long tradition of pre-serving the fundamental principle of freedom of the seas.


PAUL: I would certainly urge a lot more caution than I'm hearing here tonight. It reminds me of what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin. We went to war there, then, later on, found out there was a lot of false information.

So here we have -- let's put it in perspective. We have five small speedboats attacking the U.S. Navy with a Destroyer? They could take care of those speedboats in about five seconds. And here we're ready to start World War III over this?

And now, guess what, today, the Navy commander of the Fifth Fleet was on ABC and announced that, you know, that voice might not have come from those vessels. So what does that mean?Was there a rush to judgment on this, ready to go to war?

And you know there are people in this administration and in Washington, D.C., that are looking for the chance.They were so disappointed with the national estimate on intelligence. And they were disap-pointed that there's no attempt to build weapons in Iran since 2003.

PAUL: Of course we want caution. But I'm worrying about the policy of why we're looking for a justification. Now there are no weapons, actually people are looking around for an excuse to bomb Iran.

I mean, we're already, with our CIA, being involved in trying to overthrow that government, and we don't need another war. And this incident should not be thrown out of proportion to the point where we're getting ready to attack Iran over this.


ROMNEY: I think Congressman Paul should not be reading as many of Ahmadinejad's press releases. But let's...

(APPLAUSE)

I think Iran represents a very serious threat. I do not believe this action was taken by rogue elements within the Iranian forces. I believe it was calculated.

And I believe it was designed to test our defenses. I believe it was also designed to rattle a sword to the Arab neighbors to see that they could go after the Straits of Hormuz. I believe, as well, that it was a di-versionary tactic for them to consider other actions in other places.

And so I believe it was a very serious act. And the Iranians continue to take acts like this, it points out that we have in Iran a very troubled nation.

And we're going to have to have a comprehensive strategy with our friends and with some others who we need to pull into our circle of friendship to put extraordinary pressure on Iran.

And I've been speaking since January about tightening dramatically the economic sanctions, the diplo-matic sanctions, directly communicating to the Iranian people. And I believe -- by the way, I can see you want to get the rest of the answer to that -- of course, this commander did exactly the right thing. The captains did the right thing.



Cliff notes. Nothing was out of the ordinary or threatening about the Iranian canoes, the government tried to use it to start thier next war, the Republicans all took the bait, media did it's job, and Ron Paul was painted as a loon for calling it for exactly what it was......NOTHING.


My next post will detail the advisors of all these clowns, and who they are in the establishment. Happy voting, shitfucks.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

blame america first ::)

go suck amadajadanijah's dick

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

just like the fruit in the bbc video said, both videos are real, both are from diffferent parts of the exchange.

i guess dropping fake mines in front of the ships is not a threat...

blame america first

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

john, your a retard if you cant see our fucked off politicians thoroughly ------- the American people in the ass.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

another sweet post by you without any substance, just a bunch of nonsense.

yesssssssss

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Those boats in question were not Iranian military ships.

Even if they did drop mines, which would probably be some kind of low type II grade explosive, which would be some kind of salt based solid fuel reaction, the Navy Destroyers have had countering depth charges since around the war of 1812 when Submarines were first used.

i.e. Even if we saw these small ships running up on us, we saw them, and could have shot them out of the water should they breach the agreed 4 knot maritime boundary.

Those ships were no reason to start a war that we cannot afford.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

i figured this would come out. how many iranian navy guys can speak english as well as was heard on that radio broadcast.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

A.K.A. If you don't go along with my war plan, you aren't American. lol. I've heard Hannity come up with better one liners than that, and that's not saying much. What about that "Bush isn't trying to start war with Iran" Johnny? :S Are you still claiming that? haha.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

yeap,

when iranian boats come out and harrass american ones in international waters you blame america.

true colors steve.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

It's not blaming American troops for reacting to Iranian boats coming at them, this type of ---- happens a lot. It's blaming the officials that are trying to push their vendetta. Get it? It's not anti-Americanism, it's anti-warmongering, which is happening. Renegade speed boaters threaten your battleship, what do you try to do? Declare war with a nation? Wrong, you have discussions with that nation's officials and come to some kind of understanding. Gunboat diplomacy should be dead.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

did that happen???

why the ---- is this even a topic?? did a war start??? did we declare war on anyone??? NO WE DIDN'T

it was handled exactly the way it should've been.

why is this thread even here... nothing happened

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

i dont blame any branch of the military for doing what they are ordered to do. matter of fact, im happy to pay taxes so that our military is strong.

I blame politicians for using positions of power to advance their own agenda when they were elected(or so were told) to serve the country.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

The point of the thread is it's a very realistic possibility for what will eventually happen. Some stupid little misconstrued incident that leads to something very bad, possibly war.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Hmm, 5 speed boats with open bows vs. 3 navy destroyers. Who's being "harrassed" guy? ??? As the video you didn't want to see shows, and your government finally admitted, there was nothing out of the ordinary in the meeting.


I'm trying to figure out if using quotes of Bin Laden to prove you're a moron is "Anti-American", or if it's more "Anti-American" to take your position of ignorance of the facts, leading to the terrorism that we claim to want to stop.

"And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children."

"Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential nominee John] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked."


Nah, nevermind. I'd rather keep sending the military to die away from thier families, spending money we don't have, and escalating terrorism so I can sound "American" for you. Hey, I'm glad they're fighting those guys with Ak-47's and pipe bombs over there, so we don't have to face such CRAZY ASS weapons here. A guy with an AK could bring America to it's knees, and although he can barely afford shoes, he can buy plane tickets to "follow us home" when we leave. ::)



So when your government finally pulls the trigger to kill more of our military, you're aware of what's happening. Orielly won't be informing you. Sorry.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

For ---- sake, they weren't the Iranian Navy, they never announced themselves to the Destroyer, they breached the agreed maritime boundary that is over a century old, and they were throwing suspicious ---- in the water.


The U.S. Navy would have been perfectly in the clear if they took down all those boats, as they damn well could have; they were in international waters, with encroaching unidentified craft, who were performing suspicious activities and were not some form of sanctioned military.

This does not constitute instigation of or mobilization of war efforts.

We have been instigating aggressive action in the middle east since the 80's and it is for a null and void socio-political agenda. It's a non causal relationship that has jack to do with the American people, efforts of the american government to reap a resource that isn't ours.

If you want to talk conspiracy it would make more sense for the owners of the central bank to be orchestrating this, but that makes much less sense than people like to believe, even though there are some key factors to those theories that are true. Being that jet fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to destroy tempered steel alloy.

That's neither here nor there, it's as simply as we don't need a war, just because you don't support the government and everything they do/want to do doesn't make you less American, in fact, it makes you more American.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

We instigated when we made ------- Israel. That is the ------- cause of all this mess. If we didn't have so many Jewish in America we would not be so closely tied to Israel today. The Jewish population here, many of which are in high positions of power, coupled with the fact that we helped make the nation, is leading us down a shitty road.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

I live in Miami. :l

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

It's a long read, but it details the advisors to most of these "change agents" running for President. You'll find these change agents from both sides taking on advisors who are longtime Washington elite. CFR, pro-Israel, federal reserve, think tank war mongers. More of the same.....


http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/article.html

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

What is a long read?

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Whutchu talkin bout? I didn't have to edit and add the link to anything. :1

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Hmmm...

Wow, that certainly seems a lot like something that happened almost two centuries ago, as far as people disregarding strategy for personal gain, certainly seems like history has a lot to say about our current situation.

If only more than 2% of Americans passed U.S. History Honors in college, well according to college board. :3

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Well to be fair with regard to the college board or whatever I took AP US History in high school, so I won't be passing the class in college since I won't even be taking it. That ---- was a junior level class in my high school and most if not all of my friends took it then and have since gone to Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Caltech etc where they also won't be taking the class. I don't mean to really argue with you, it's just sometimes figures like that need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Less than 25% of students who took the APUSH test passed.

I passed with a 3, barely. Mostly because it was way more retarded than I thought it would be, the multiple choice was all rather recent and popular topics, aside from the general "Civil War" era questions. They asked us to write an essay about what symbology lies behind the plastic Pink Flamingo in American Culture. ::)

The kids who passed that test received college credit, and therefore passed a college class. They're counted in the statistic.

But that just goes to show that most Americans don't know enough to even pass that test. Which is sad, because they either simply don't know, or don't care to know.

So which is the most universal human trait, fear or laziness?

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

I dont understand what the big deal is here. I can tell you from experience, not front the ship, but flying over the straights and keeping tabs on these small IRGCN boats. This is their attack tactic, its called swarming. They take 5+ small open bowed boats, rigged with explosives and run up on vessels. They have been doing it alot in the last few years and they play "war games" to see what happens with US Navy ships very often. They are getting more aggressive in the last 6 months and coming closer and closer in order to find their boundry. I just came back from over there and that is what i was doing there.

You all need to stop freaking out, i do agree that the government IF something would have happened, would have jumped the gun. BUT they made the rite choice and nothing happened.

Can we drop it? This is in my realm of work, what the iranian's did was a normal IRGCN small boat swarming tactic, they do it to Dhow fishing boats alot and loot the things on their boats. The US navy is very aware of there tactics, and what they do, and this was following the IRGCN tactics to a T. Thats why it was presumed as a threat.

Thanks

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

the president had nothing to do with this incident... or was he onboard those ships?

bush cheney and rummy for old times sake one on each ship... right bush was there and the sand ------s in the boats were CIA...

then condi took some footage of blank ocean, adding sand ------s to it and booom WWIII that didn't happen.

what would stevemode as skipper? you blame everything that ever happens in this world on bush. its really pretty pathetic...

if iran nuked israel you'd say bush did it so we could attack them, if iran did anything you'd say its the USs fault.

btw: the UN "made" israel

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

the arm chair generals won't believe you, someone whos been there and seen it.

it was really bush, cheney, and rummy at the helm steering us into WWIII ::)

steve has been inhailing way too many fumes

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

LOL, i know for a fact that admirals very high up get briefed every other day on what we do there. They have came and visted us in qatar, it is REALLY a big deal and i have been there and seen every aggressive tactic that they do. Thats all im saying. People are blowing this out of proportion. The US held it down and did the rite thing and did not engage though. The rest of the polititions just piecing things together really don't know ---- about the real situation, atleast they arn't talking about everything that really go's on in the straights.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Thank god for cliffnotes. :S

I don't have cable or any TV service of any kind so I don't know and most importantly don't give a ---- what they say or do on it. :-*

If I know or don't know WTF is going on, it's not going to make a god damn tiny bit of difference in my life or in the world so ---- it. I'll just sit here na dlisten to you guys bitch to each other about who is right and who is wrong. That's much more entertaining than any television news show. :6
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Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Who said anything about Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the nevus-Republican party?

People who want money for their business want war, simply because war is big business, that's no secret.

Do you honestly believe that someone is dumb enough to sink 2 billion(sic) into fighting an enemy that technically can never be killed?
Stop pretending that people are simply trying to pass the buck to the head and chief, when they simply know that's not the case.

No one, in the history of war, has ever gone to battle without a plan. "We're gonna kill all dem terrorists" is a sick ploy, and belittles their true intention. Fess up Johnny, I know you aren't stupid.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Well I got a 4 on both history and gov't so nyah! Just messing with you man. I don't know. Why is it so hard for people to even understand a simple subject like geography? A lot of Americans don't know that ---- either.. which is scary. It's all scary really. I just can't imagine being that ignorant.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

bush's true intention is to make money for people he doesn't even know... good one ::)

you know john edwards and john kerry and hillary and most of the high profile dems are far more wealthy than president bush

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Who spearheaded the operations though? The US and UK... who happen to be on the same page when it comes to empire building aggression. The founding fathers wanted nothing of the sort, no nation building, no involvement (other than business of course) with other nations. Just because it's big business to ramp up for war doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for our country.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

EXACTLY!!!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=BuafaALL4l4

Any questions?

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

I'm sure that's what their tax return says, but still wealth of the individual doesn't have ---- to do with it.

It's more like Bush picked up a war that his daddy started, for multiple reasons, the most prolific being should he do things that benefit the companies that are associated with those who are in a position to create laws that benefit them more, there is going to be reciprocity.

Bush doesn't have any say in anything, 90% of the time. When has he ever conveyed a strong term of interest that he could elaborate on?
If it is his own divination could he not fully express what he feels about the subject?
Honestly you've progressed from a healthy skepticism to a downright intellectual impudence.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

We did not make Israel, we opposed the state of Israel when it first came to the table. Brittan is the country that ceded Palestine to the Israelis because of lobbying done by the Zionist Foundation headed by Lord Rothschild and through Israeli soldiers terrorizing British military in the area.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

thanks

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Hmmmm that guy sounds familiar, er one of them does.

Wasn't his family the founders and Governor of the Bank of England?

And did he not own a large portion of the East India Tea company?

I mean that guy wouldn't have anything to gain from free trade with the oil laden middle east at all would he? I mean it's not like an increase in capitol for England would net him anything, would it Johnny?

Nothing is new under the sun.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

Even so we have stood by the British and Israel. When Israel has any kind of issue our people sit down with their people and whoever they are squabbling with and chat. I just think it's in our best interest to not be nearly so close to Israel.

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

they are a threat with mines, they are a threat package with explosions, as we've already seen...

you'd rather let iran attack our ships in international waters and risk thousands of american lives than blame iran for anything

Re: Common occurances turned into WWIII, or so your government hoped.
 

i dont give a ---- about england