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evosol 12-06-2005 05:11 PM

clemency for "tookie" williams
 
Check out this link for more info on "Tookie," co-founder of the crips gang, and now strong advocate against gang violence. Tookie was awarded for a Nobel Prize for Peace and Literature for writing childrens books against gang violence and association.
The movie Redemption is based on the life of Tookie, played by Jamie Fox.

Tookie is scheduled for death December 13.

for more info go check out http://www.tookie.com/

sign the petition for clememcy, save Tookie!

J-SMITH69 12-06-2005 05:16 PM

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just because he regrets his actions doesnt mean he is somehow innocent now and doesnt deserve his punishment

jinxy 12-06-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike
just because he regrets his actions doesnt mean he is somehow innocent now and doesnt deserve his punishment

he was still a crack dealing nignog who got allof of people killed...

HondaTuner 12-06-2005 05:19 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
RS this is an example of the picture-perfect reformed person ;)

I think he became a Christian a few years or so after into his sentence (if i'm remembering correctly) then started writing the childrens books and such.

I guess this thread will turn out to be like the Schiavo one, everyone having a differing opinion, hotrex telling everyone he's going to rape the person in question, and us not really having a say in what happens, so lets sit back and watch how this goes :6

Hob684 12-06-2005 05:21 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
say you give a kid a gun and tell him its cool.. he goes and kills a bunch of people.. then you realize its wrong and you shouldn't have given him the gun... you're still at fault..

I hope Arnold is out of town...

jinxy 12-06-2005 05:25 PM

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Here's all you really need to know about "Tookie" Williams:

In 1971, he founded the notorious Crips street gang, responsible directly for the deaths of hundreds worldwide, indirectly thousands. Today, there are tens of thousands of members of this organized criminal enterprise known for dealing deadly drugs to children and drive-by shootings.

Ten years later, he was convicted by a Los Angeles, Calif., jury of the 1979 murders of Yen-I Yang, a 65-year-old motel owner, his wife, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 62, and their daughter, Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 42. They were Taiwanese who owned the Brookhaven Motel on Vermont Avenue.

A sheriff's homicide investigator remembered noting how two of the three victims were elderly and could have posed no threat and that all three were tiny in stature.

hes pulling this "im a cool christian, i write kids books now im reformed" bullshit for the same reason every other prisioner who pulls this ----. TO GET THE ---- OUT OF JAIL.

Reddy 12-06-2005 05:25 PM

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I say the only way he can get clemency would be through the families of the people he killed. Imagine if this guy murdered your family, is it fair that you can't get justice becuase he decided to change his ways while waiting to die himself? If this ------- was truely sorry for what he did than he should accept his punishment and write one last book about how he committed a crime now he has to pay for it. The world would have been a better place without him...

evosol 12-06-2005 05:38 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
people are gonna have their opinions. i just like to cause awareness, even though most people on here care no more than what happening in their little worlds.

Tookie gives hope and is a source of inspiration for many people, including myself.



Reddy 12-06-2005 05:45 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 

Originally Posted by evosol
Tookie gives hope and is a source of inspiration for many people, including myself.


Inspiration to murder a family and write children's books to buy back your freedom?

ghettoturbo 12-06-2005 05:46 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
he is gonna die on my b-day...

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 06:07 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
evosol, You've got to be fucken kidding me.


He robbed a 7/11 and got $100. Instead of taking the money and leaving, he put the clerk on the floor face down and blasted him. Here's his picture.

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogim...ctim1adweb.jpg


Then he broke into an asian family owned hotel and robbed them for $125. Here's what he did for the $125

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogim...ctim2adweb.jpg

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogim...ctim3adweb.jpg


In a letter to the governer, representatives from the LA County Sherrifs office all urged that Stanley Williams hasn't changed anything, and shouldn't be granted clemency.

The person that nominated "Tookie" for a nobel peace prize went on the radio and said he didn't think Tookie really killed the people. To be nominated for a nobel peace prize, a professor has to nominate you. That's it.

Stanley Tookie Williams has exhausted all of his appeals over the last 24 years, and every last court said that they didn't see any new evidence that could help him. The 9th circuit court is the most liberal court in the nation, and they hate the death penalty, but they still voted 16 to 9 to not hear his case again.

All the childrens books that Tookie "wrote", were actually written by the co-author.

Tookie is claimed to have saved the lives of 150,000 kids that would have otherwise joined gangs. Radio hosts John and Ken asked to see any emails, letters, stories, phone numbers of any of these "saved kids", and they were told no.

Tookie claims he isn't involved with the Crips gang anymore, but the gaurds at the prison he is at have all written to the governer saying they believe he is still in control of the crips.

The only loud mouths you'll hear trying to save this filthy ------s life are the black activist crowd, and anti-death penalty people. Most of the time they go with the "he really didn't do it" thing, but Tookie has zero chance of having this argument work, so they are going with the "he's a hero" (cause he's black, and because some lady wrote kids books for him".

It's the same typical rah-rah with the black activists trying to get thier mugs in the media. They ONLY COME OUT IN DEFENSE OF BLACK PEOPLE and continue to pull the race card at every chance they get. When the world never gets over the race issue, it's YOUR BLACK ACTIVISTS that you can thank. In January of THIS YEAR, Donald Beardslee was executed in California, and Stephen Anderson was before that in 2002. WHERE WERE THE ANTI-DEATH PENALTY PEOPLE AND BLACK ACTIVISTS THEN? (The black activists are going with the anti-death penalty crowd this time because "he didn't do it" actually sounds too crazy for even the black activists this time" :o

In court, the friends that Tookie was with when he killed the 7/11 clerk testified against him (in a plea bargain) and said Tookie was laughing after the killing and telling his friends how funny it was to hear the guy gasping for his last breath. When his friends asked him why he killed him instead of just leaving him there and leaving, Tookie said "I killed him because he was white". IF YOU NEED TO SEE THE COURT TRANSCRIPTS, I'LL PRODUCE THEM FOR YOU, SO GO AHEAD AND ASK. ;)

All in all, the dude killed 4 people for a total of $225. He started the Crips gang when he was 16, and if there was ever a WORTHLESS FUCKEN ------, than this is him. Besides the 4 people he killed himself, how many lives were lost due to the CRIPS GANG??????? And he should be saved right? ---- no.

Evosol, don't make stupid posts because of the anti-death penalty band wagon. I've been following the story of this PILE OF ----, and you're just gonna end up looking stupid. 8)

prelude9384 12-06-2005 06:17 PM

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He would probably turn queer if thats what it would take for him to get out of deathrow. Let him take responsibility for his actions. He deserves nothing less than death for what he's done.

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 06:33 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 

Originally Posted by evosol
people are gonna have their opinions. i just like to cause awareness, even though most people on here care no more than what happening in their little worlds.

Tookie gives hope and is a source of inspiration for many people, including myself.



I only think about what's happening in my own little world because I don't agree with you. Tookie doesn't give anyone hope to do anything. There are millions of people around the world that could give you "inspiration", yet you're inspired by a filty pile of ------ that murdered 4 people for $225 and started something as worthless as a street gang called the Crips. What exactly inspires you about this shitbag?
lol. I can't believe how stupid you sound.

Dr.Boost 12-06-2005 06:35 PM

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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that evosol is black? :6
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HondaTuner 12-06-2005 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that evosol is black? :6

He's Hmong.

J-MAN 12-06-2005 06:40 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 

Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that evosol is black? :6

by his sig saying that he is scared of sitting in front of an all white jury would be another big indicator that he is black and possibly a criminal :-\.


i always thought he was asian though ???


MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 06:49 PM

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He is asian, but probably one of those asian kids that wears fubu and worships the black lifestyle. His signature saying he's afraid of an all white jury just means he know's he's bound to end up in the correctional system, and using the "white man" excuse as early as possible is highly recommended among his worshiped nignog leaders.

quicksilvia 12-06-2005 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealthmode

Originally Posted by evosol
people are gonna have their opinions. i just like to cause awareness, even though most people on here care no more than what happening in their little worlds.

Tookie gives hope and is a source of inspiration for many people, including myself.



I only think about what's happening in my own little world because I don't agree with you. Tookie doesn't give anyone hope to do anything. There are millions of people around the world that could give you "inspiration", yet you're inspired by a filty pile of ------ that murdered 4 people for $225 and started something as worthless as a street gang called the Crips. What exactly inspires you about this shitbag?
lol. I can't believe how stupid you sound.


WINNAR. Evosol take the advice of your avator and choke yourself out you ------- retard. Stealth you win for real life political opinion. Too badit seems like your MS paint skills arent quite up to par

J-MAN 12-06-2005 06:54 PM

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http://www.rpgplanet.com/fflash/images/posers.jpg

FastLS 12-06-2005 06:55 PM

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In an Encyclopedia of Serial Killers I have somewhere around here a guy from New Zealand did this same thing. He killed a bunch of people and went to jail. Over the course of 20 years he became a playwrite and a reknown writer with a large fan base. His fanbase petitioned that he be friend. After freedom due to his societal contributions through writings he went on a world tour for two purposes. One to premote his works and lifestyle that he endured, and the other to relive the lifestyle he enjoyed so much. He started killing people again, they eventually caught him in Miami... anyway

Tookie is smart, no dumbass that founded a gang like that that escalated into an urban war with another gang is by and means stupid. You're character doesn't dramatically change like that, especially if you're a coldblooded killer. It's like A Clockwork Orange. Can forced change into goodness really be goodness if the choice is no longer there to choose between good and bad? Or are you just a machine of the machine at that point and time? We all know this is a bullshit show on his part. What do most people do when death creeps upon us? Try to avoid it. He's trying to put off something that he can possibly due. He has obviously been in the process of it for a long time. Smart man. Wrong motives. Rusty execution of his ideals.

buk9tp 12-06-2005 06:55 PM

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im surprised hotrex has yet to touch us with one of his paintings regarding ths matter. i think hotrex should get off of cambodias asses. and get on this dude. i would love to see some of josh's pictures on this dude. or josh may see him as an idol. for killing those two asians. :P

bottom line. unless he can revive the people he killed. he should be put to death.

he was tried. and found guilty by 12 of his peers.

he is not only a killer. but a cold blooded killer. and openly told his partner he didnt want any witnesses. and that he was going to kill all white people.

i also have a feeling that schwarzenegger will pardon the dude. in an attempt to boost support for his reelection bid.

i hope that he does get pardoned. and released.














so that the second he steps foot outside the jail. the bloods show up.. and the crips show up. and all those other queer hispanic gangs show up. and start a nice gun fight. and keep going at it. till everyone of there ------- lame asses is dead. or they could all butt ---- each other till theyre all infected with aids. and all there lame asses are dead.

when i lived in firethorn. our neighbor was in a gang. and he lived with his grandma. he would come in with his buddies. and party almost every other night. one day we heard screaming. and yelling. so we looked out the window. and saw his grand ma yelling some ---- in spanish. then we hear SMACK and the cockless faggot smacks his grandma to the ground. and all his buddies are standing arround laughing.

living in detroit. ive also seen 3 gang related shoot outs. prolly 7 different jumpings. and at one point. it got so bad here. that there was a shoot out every ------- weekend where kids kept getting killed.

there are no cops in detroit. no one cares. the cop population is not big enough for the civilian population.

i think the city of detroit needs to admit this. and set up a civilian task force. fbi back ground checks. people go arround. armed. with a pistol in hand at all times. and a shotgun and rifle in the car. this will clean up the streets so ------- quickly. of all the ---- ive had stolen from me. i wudnt mind blasting a couple shells into the legs of a fucker running away from me whom i just caught trying to break into my house.

J-SMITH69 12-06-2005 06:57 PM

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the first picture of the 7-11 cleark looks like a chick...

let that ------ hang

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 07:03 PM

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The 7/11 clerks name is Albert Owens.

PoorMansPorsche 12-06-2005 07:08 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
tookie won a nobel peace prize.. for ending the war between the crips and bloods

spongerlbc 12-06-2005 07:11 PM

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Mumia Abu Jamal deserves clemency wayyyy before Tookie.

On a side note... I had a Blood/Crips shooting right next door to my odl house. Crazy puerto rican girl Koko's boyfriend gets out of prison, has a "prison release party," breaks a bottle over some guys head, guy comes back late at night with his crip gangbanger friends and fires 4 shots. 2 hit his gut and hes still alive but back in prison where he belongs. The story got two sentences in the local paper (none in the school paper) due to Rutgers University/ New Brunswick PD covering it up... protecting their "safe school" image.

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
tookie won a nobel peace prize.. for ending the war between the crips and bloods


He won a nobel peace prize for some lady writing kids books for him. The lady wrote the books for him because they knew his day would come where the black leaders would need to make him out to be this great guy, and when the governer lets the pile of ---- die the black people will have one more of those "the white man is racisssss" moments.
You hear all this "hoopin and hollarin" from the black leaders this week, but this shitbag has been on death row for 24 years. The NAACP said today that he should be saved because he is their "secret weapon" to keeping kids out of gangs. They only realized this one week before his execution though, and he's been on death row for 24 years.

Rah-rah black people. O0

DA-MAX 12-06-2005 07:50 PM

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IMO he doesn't seserve clemency at all....he got his second chance and he used it to do two good things including writing the childrens books and organizing the truce, that was his second chance, to make up for his ---- up. but bottom line EYE for an EYE...he was convicted without a doubt for those murders, so he's got to go. I really don't see what the argument is. there are probably tons more accussed, both black and white that are TRULY innocent and deserve this same attention for their own clemency, but its a shame they won't get it because no one chose to write a TNT movie about them...

hotrex 12-06-2005 07:52 PM

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---- that nig, lotta kids died because of him.

i hope they give him the chain and dont wet the sponge.

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 07:54 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
More than anything it's the anti-death penalty people trying to make thier case. The bonus is that he's black, and that gets more media coverage.

Alot of the people screaming to save him don't even claim to think he's innocent. :-\

hotrex 12-06-2005 08:00 PM

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this is what i posted in "tookies" guest book

i hope this guy burns. how can you honeslty expect to buy redemption for all the people that have died because of you, and your actions. have fun in hell. and i hope they dont wet the sponge

this is the response.

Your entry has been recorded.

Your entry won't be listed until the site owner has approved it.

haha they will only post up the dumb nigs who actually think this guy is justified

gotta love our stupid society.




hotrex 12-06-2005 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that evosol is black? :6

nah, hes ------- chinese, just as bad.

Sevenlover 12-06-2005 08:06 PM

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Kill the fucker.

quicksilvia 12-06-2005 08:15 PM

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../9e/Tookie.jpg
thats one big nergo

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by quicksilvia


That's not a big negro, that's evosols hero. ::)

PoorMansPorsche 12-06-2005 08:29 PM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode

Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
tookie won a nobel peace prize.. for ending the war between the crips and bloods


He won a nobel peace prize for some lady writing kids books for him. The lady wrote the books for him because they knew his day would come where the black leaders would need to make him out to be this great guy, and when the governer lets the pile of ---- die the black people will have one more of those "the white man is racisssss" moments.
You hear all this "hoopin and hollarin" from the black leaders this week, but this shitbag has been on death row for 24 years. The NAACP said today that he should be saved because he is their "secret weapon" to keeping kids out of gangs. They only realized this one week before his execution though, and he's been on death row for 24 years.

Rah-rah black people. O0

really? I thought it was the gang ----.. guess im wrong

MikeJ-2009 12-06-2005 08:43 PM

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I heard an interview with the guy that nominated him, and he said nothing about any gang truce. Actually, after weeks of hearing about this guy, that's the first I've heard of a gang truce.

95IntegRacer 12-06-2005 09:30 PM

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things I could do with 225$... hmmm, clemency is bullshit as it is

evosol 12-07-2005 01:17 AM

Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
 
it looks like struck a cord. Props to stealth for the thorogh following of the tookie case, much more thorough than myself. Mybe i was quick to decide that he was reformed and could have a positive influence in the poor or urban community. I just think that people can change, as did myself. I just ask myself, if i where in similar circumstances could it be possible that i ended up like him? sure its possible. I think its possible that anyone end up like him under similar circumstances. And if he where truely reformed don't you think he could be an effective spokes person against gang violence? i think its possible.

is he guilty of the crimes? evidence shows it.
Is he reformed? its possible.
Will he be granted clemency? we'll see...
is it a racial thing? I didn't even consider the racial aspect of it untill Stealth brought it up.

And to those who don't know me...
That would be funny ---- if i actually wore Fubu or any of that urban wear. Casual and young professional is more my attire. I'm a college kid, studying Business Finance/ minor in Business administration. I was once a criminal, hangin with the wrong people, peddling drugs, doing dumb ---- and locked up for a little time in juvenile. Everyone i used to know is locked up, dead or headed that route. I somehow chose a different route and now i'm turboing hondas and getting an education. Believe me, i'm soo thankful.

as for my sig...
I think that the Hmong man in the mid west recieved an unfair trial. thats another story.


hotrex 12-07-2005 01:32 AM

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noone gives a ---- about the hmong, much like the american indians

Bone1 12-07-2005 05:16 AM

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fry his ass, 3 times for his actions.


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