buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Thought I would share some pics of my buddies FC. Hes planning on clearing 700hp on 2 rotors, daily driving it, and taking it to mainland to shut up the pro-draggers like HKS and Apexi. In a few years he will take it back to the US and whop ass with it there. Hes looking for 8-9sec 1/4 mile times. The car is 100% built by him in his shop and hes pretty much fabbing everything as you can see in the pics. I try swing into his shop at least once a week to check out the car and its progress. The guy knows what hes doing, im learning alot by stopping in there, really cool guy. Best thing about it, hes not afraid at all to share what he knows and how he does things. He will tell you anything and everything you ask. I appreciate people like that :) anways, let the pics speak:


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Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Your buddy gives you a hard on? That's gross man.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Nice photos, glad someone knows how to use a camera.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Wow build looks tits.I love the wiggins clamps.That a 9"?Is there much of serious drag race scene in JDM land?

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

that wasn;t a lambo door hinge was it, and don't turbos have big exhaust outlets for a reason, like not to be immediately stepped down to 2 1/2 or 3" . other than that it looks like some nice stuff

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Looks like a 5" out thats stepped down to 3". I would have ran 5" or 4.5"

Looks good.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

looks like a high dollar project, i like it.

not a fan of the fiberglass dash tho, but it's better than i can do, just not my steez.

keep up posted

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

JESUS that car is ------- sick. Also loving the clamps. Baller status everywhere

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lol, lambo doors. you werent serious when you asked were you...

In Okinawa, no the drag scene is pretty much non-existant. Some people say yes, there is a drag scene, I say the ---- doesnt exist. The 'strip' isnt even a full 1/8 mile and at the end of the track is litterly the side of the mountain. If your brakes fail, your fucked. I would never build a drag car for Okinawa. Just me. Not to mention the 'strip' is also the same place that they drift and we are doing auto-x on. Same exact track. However HKS and OMEGA hold drags at that track and I believe D1 has ran there as well. If you wanna talk drag on the streets...thats another subject. He intends on DD this vehicle.

yes, its stepped. im not sure on the resoning of this or the exact size, but considering the guy is one of the few go-to guy for rotaries on island...im pretty sure he has a reason for it. I will forward him this link, maybe he will chime in. Hes a busy guy, hes still active duty, has his shop and between him and a friend, they hold down a full blown shop along with building there own car(s).

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More money then I paid for my new car in wiggins clamps

---- those things are expensive

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i like the build and all. but i think that a chevy 350 would have been a better powerplant for it. just my $0.02 .... :P

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

i like mrjdm madness has a summit racing catalog in the back ;)

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Personally i would have gone with the LS-7 swap. z06 POWAH. Theres a guy around DC that drives a LS-1 FD, and its sexy as hell. He also has a mid-engine rwd del sol and an ls-1 powered miata(the miata is useless...you step on the gas and the ass end trades places with the front)

The thing you have to love about and wankel is look at all that goddamn space in the engine bay...you can do whatever you want with it. Plus the turbo most likely has a larger displacement than your engine.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Awesome project, I like it :)

z06 swap in an RX7 would be insane. I would LOVE to drive that.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

goog luck TRYING to drive it haha. Unless you can put slicks on it its an oversteering pig. Surprisingly though, the LS aluminum blocks only weigh a fraction more than that wankel. Anyone who knows rotaries knows they are pretty damn heavy for their size. And any GM crate motor can be had for cheap as hell. Hell if you dont want to worry about anything, just get a carb'ed motor, you dont have to hook ---- up

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WAIT, those are slicks.


Actually an LS aluminum block weighs more than twice as much as the rotary. An complete LS engine weighs about 470lbs. A 13B comes in at under 200.

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those wont be his D/D slicks tires. ::)
And hes a rotary head, hes going to run a rotary motor. Its pretty obvious hes building the car with an open checkbook, to I dont think hes to worried about the speed to $$ ratio. As for the weight of the motor compared to its size, hes lost weight in every aspect he could on the car. those seats weigh all of about 10#'s, the 4 pot wilwood brakes he has for it weigh probably 15pounds, if that, fiberglass doors/fenders/hood/rear over fenders/wheels, the list could go on with the weight savings on this thing. Not to mention, this car still has to go through JCI. ;) (the japaneese inspection) once it gets a motor swap, then that takes the car to a whole different level when it comes to JCI.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

when its done I got a buddy with a rotory that will run him.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Told you he was a fag.

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Car looks nuts and $$$. I've never seen those clamps before, they look tight (haha pun mildly intened....kill me)

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I doubt the daily driver thing is going to work out for him unless someone in the aftermarket has started making stronger rotors and housings. :-\

Please do ask him about stepping down the exhaust? After the turbine all exhaust harmonics are over + done, I can't for the life of me figure out why. ???

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I believe hes headed back to Arizona where he will open a shop up there in a few years. Bacially move his shop from here to there.

Considering hes tuning this for a 7-8 sec street car @ 33psi from that huge turbo, I cant image what his track tune will be like.

You should see his datalogger that im highly considering getting.

http://www.powertraincontrolsolutions.com/

its the D200 model and will be the last gauge anyone would need to buy. For ~$600 its a steal and a half. Won the best technoligical (sp) product at sema last year. Pretty dam sweet. Check it out.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

I kinda cant figure out where your comming with the stronger rotors and housings. There are rotaries here that people beat on and daily drive them all the time. Another good friend of mine has a rotary thats pumping probably 450+hp and has been running fine for a little over 5 years I believe, stock 13b housings/rotor's. Its all in the tune, and you of all people should know this JD.

Ive honestly thought about going rotary if I dont go do this recruiter thing. The guy building this FC has another FC ready for some love and is selling it pretty cheap. Kinda gives me a hard on to think about it actually...

As for the pipe, I asked him.
The turbo blade is only 4 inch in diameter, Exhaust blade, and the down pipe is 3 and a 1/2.

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Im not sure why but people on this site think rotaries are extremly unreliable.I owned a couple RX7's and they were good cars and i had no issues even though i was 16-18 and drove like a retard ragging it 90% of the time.They are very sensitive to tuning when running big boost but properly tuned generally pretty solid.I have thought about buying a FD to move out of Hondas to as the JDM ones are now legal for import to Canada and i see some really low mileage mint cars coming over :y 20B swap for the win.

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Thats what everyone tells me. Keep it stock and up to date with maint. issues, and it will run forever.
YOu start playin with the boost, you gotta make sure the tune is 100% perfect (unlike a honda that will run with a tune that isnt perfect) a rotary will ---- you if its tuned improperly. I am a 100% noob to tuning, there are PLENTY of people here who will tune rotaries to a precise a/f and I would 100% trust them. -and they would probably teach me as well.

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Space. The car has to be able to be driven on the street, it is what the owner/builder wants. 5" pipe does not fit under the car and the 90mm pipe more than supports 700whp. This car will not be a daily driver in the sense that it will have to get him to work, but it will get drag raced on a daily basis.

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Eh. Maybe it's more of an FD than an FC thing, the more hyped car draws all the press etc, but Mazda had very poor QC with those cars.

The local FC guys can't keep engines for longer than a couple months, and one or two of them seem pretty bright. Phil (not bright, complete mean ass redneck, awesome guy tho) keeps dropping used bottom of the barrel $100 engines into his turbocar and making close to 500 whp on a car engineered with zipties. Good stuff.

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Igy is the one who tuned the rotary above I mentioned. -and has tuned plenty on island.

and isn't the 13b the same in the FC and the FD? The RX8 motor is the 'new one' ...the renisis or whatever its called? -and you guys also have the 12a I believe.

And if you do a little research on the rotary, they were very very well engineered motors, can typically last hundreds of thousands of miles if maintained (like any other motor) and I didnt know this but the corvette accually experimented with a rotary motor at one time ;) You do also know the rotary was used in airplanes....right?

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

sweat!!!!! :y :y

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

I think you mean sweet lol

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

He says "sweat" every two out of three posts lol

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lol that was pretty funny

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also in very few motorcycles in the 70's. rotory engines make wierd power to use on a bike though

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Im surprised u didnt post this as being Ur car ::)

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Ah.

Here in the Dirty South, we get TRASHCAR discards for pennies on the dollar. 4" and 5" to flat rectangular section transitions meant for low-to-ground vehicles, with a few hours use on them, can be had pretty cheaply locally, and there is a huge resaler of such parts in Charlotte. I know it's not normal fare, but it's out there. Not arguing, either, but there is always another way and target power is a lot to be shoving out 3.5" pipe if you can possibly expell it easier.. ;)

Probably, my knowledge of rotaries extends to second hand lore and speculation. I know basic displacement stuff (1.1 vs 1.3 vs 2.0 for 12A 13B 20B), that there were four and six port 13Bs, that I did a couple clutches and basic maintainence on a few back in my days as a wrench at a fix & repair, and that the old carbed 12A solenoid system was almost as easy to troubleshoot as Ford EGR stuff (I touched a lot more Fords, they might have in fact been easier if I didn't have to reach for a manual every time I touched one).

I also know Steve Eckeritch of GRM Rotary Spit fame, he did the GT6/Miata/RX7 hybrid ass end for the Ro-Spit, traded a couple Triumph parts with him over the years, and had him show me some of his mojo on the Turbo II RX7s in re being able to grind 0.003" off each side of a rotor housing and still use it where mere mortals throw them away. He kept having problems with blasting off chunks of rotor housing around the ports, but this was also in the stone age of tuning ~95-96 or so before riceboys had figured out that stock Honduh engines were only good for 6 psi of boost on an FMU. :)


I know I read some posts on an FD forum about all the owners there coming to a consensus that the FD would be the ultimate sportscar of it's time regardless of price if it weren't such a QC nightmare. I watched a number of FD cars lose engine wiring harnesses (went and looked at a few between 96-99, thinking of buying one) and destroying the front end of the car, and dealer denied warranty even though they were supposed to honor it according to articles at the time in GRM. I've both seen and heard of near-unfixable drivability and/or power problems from the overly complex vacuum system on FDs - admittedly, no more or less of a problem than the vacuum system on carby Honduhs and Toyotas except Honduh and Toyota apparently used better quality vacuum hose not as prone to leaks, and all aforementioned cars easily fixable in the hands of someone who can learn and understand semi-complex systems (ie not your average enthusiast or wrench).

I know ALL the rotaries hit ~80K and don't like to start if they've been left sitting for a couple days. Apex seals are consumables on those cars, partially due to design, partially because they are never maintainenced properly (oil injection pumps aren't replaced when they should be, oil not topped off between changes when the cars are designed to burn it, etc).


Actually, back in the 70s GM announced that within three years 75% of their product line was going to be rotary powered, and the first car in line for a rotary was the Vega. They ditched that idea in about a week with the rotary emissions problems and focussed instead on such engineering feats as the Quad 4, the 3rd generation Camaro, and their crowning acheivement the Crossfire fuel injection system in the '84 Corvette. ::)

Dropping the GM name doesn't mean much to me, and most of the Corvette line means even less. The old cars are only valuable because they are old and rare and 1.9 million mullets liked the shitty C3 160 hp L-48s and the OMG L-82s!!!11 that came with monstrous RV cam grinds. The C4 chassis is solid if you want to throw some work into a platform, but it's the C5 and C6 that are real cars - only took GM a handful of decades to figure out how to build a car, awesome learning curve there.


You do know they use the OHC 1.8 leakers from 80s Subarus in airplanes... right?

:P


Okay, tired, ZZZZzzzZZZZzzz soon. It was fun arguing with you again, Frank, and give your boy props on his car for me. While rotaries aren't my cup of tea, it'll be faster than anything I can afford anytime in this decade and I am green with envy. :y

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

subaru and aircooled VW engines are huge in home built planes. some people also use an aircooled VW engine cut in half to make an opposed 2 cylinder engine

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

Pimpin project. Rotaries confuse me, but i like them anyway. sooo tiny. :S

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

look at JD dropping knowledge ;)

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

I didnt think frank had any friends? ???

cool project btw, Rotarys run so premo from the factory, Im sure that thing will be great for daily driving haha.

Re: buddy of mine is building a FC and it gives me a hard on
 

yeah I was kinda wonderin when you were gonna start. Anyone can google some ----. you should try it.