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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/

I'm not sure I agree with Jolie as Dagny Taggart, the collagen lips don't suit, but it's Hollywood so whatever.

They are going to have to hack... most... of the book to make the film. I wonder how hard it'll ---- with me to see it.

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well, youll never have the same experience with a movie as you did a book. dont get your hopes up. it will never be as good as the book.

for example, i couldnt sit down and read Caddy Shack 2 the novel. there's just no way

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I wouldn't see it anyway.

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I'm not going to watch it. You can't turn 1200 page books into movies. To put the John Galt speach in alone would be 45 minutes spoken.

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i want to see her tits in a movie, she hasn't shown em in a while :y

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Slug got around a bit in the book. I'd say it should be a guarantee.

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This is why I refuse to watch the remake of "The day the earth stood still"

:3

At least with "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" Douglas Adams wrote the ------- screenplay, so it wasnt totally bunk hollywood BS.

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Wow thats a book that I didn't think would get made into a movie. I wish I had time to read ---- like that. I'm guessing there are less than 3 people here that have actually read that. I would definitely like to see the movie.

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I didn't think they'd find three actors in Hollywood who were politically neutral enough to agree to act in it.

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I really liked the book but i don't have high expectations for a movie version, its alot harder to convey what they are thinking and alot of other ----, hopefully though they will cut out most of the romantic bullshit and they 30 page speaches, sorry but the john galt speech only held my attention for the first 15 pages or so, then its like "---- ALRIGHT MAN I GET IT..."

Can't think of any books I have read that were made into movies that weren't dissapointing, like the Davinci Code, or Dreamcatcher, but meh I'm not a movie person anyway, I'll still watch it though.

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If they make it the Objectivist variant of V, I'll be satisfied.

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I hope they do something more with the ending, its bullshit that you never get to see how they go about fixing ---- after all the looters have destroyed everything, but i guess that would have made the book 1500 pages, lol.

V was pretty good, didn't the people revolt at the end?

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jdsap

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Read Anthem. Read Zamiatin's We.




Who cares. Revolts are a function of unthinking mobs. The words that create them might be in the form of Ideals, of a sort, but using Ideals to rabble rouse never accomplishes the Ideals.

Objectivism is about always aspiring to the Ideal, accepting no excuses, and becoming self-realized. In many ways it is unrealistic and inapplicable to real life, but it is the sort of ideology everyone should be exposed to if you want self-reliant and moral people willing to work towards a greater good.

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Never read this one, but I did have to read the Foutainhead in highschool. I remember it being pretty boring.

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The Fountainhead was an imperfect attempt at Atlas Shrugged. Most people are given The Fountainhead to read first, and then Atlas Shrugged, and seem to like both. I went at it from the other direction and found The Fountainhead to be largely a waste of time in light of Atlas Shrugged.

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All of you are gay and Ayn Rand can DIAF.

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She died like 20 years ago communist boy. :1

Revolts are necessary to bring about change, I think what your talking about in regards to ideals can easily be used to take control of people such as religion, communism, patriotism, etc. especially when you mention the "greater good"

To me there is no such thing, every person should think ,act and work for themselves, only because they want to and only because it is their desire to enjoy life and constantly seek improvement by gaining knowledge and whatever possessions they feel compelled to posess.

Basically this is what Ayn Rand was getting at, except in her world the "greater good" would be the community of intelligent people working for themselves, they would in turn do things to help the community but only IF the community recognized the value of whatever service the intelligent person contributed and was appropriately compensated. The Ideology of the self is the only one that would get rid of the socialist mentality most people seem to have nowdays.

Oh is Fountainhead that bad? i just bought it and am now depressed ------- :P

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WAS IT IN A FIRE? NO?

THEN STFU FAGGOT.

Everytime you make a point about anything in regard to justifying your half-assed opinion you get really bitchy and start talking about "Ideology" without really backing anything up.

Complimenting Ayn Rand now, and previously, while commenting on Commifornia is hypocritical and stupid.

People who thump that kind of ---- are akin to the faggots who run the Slingshot! bullshit. Objectivism is stupid and ill thought out.

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Wow nicely thought out aurgument ---- boy.

As for Ayn Rand, she was fervently against communism/socialism and if you actually read any of her work you would know that, so I don't see how me disagreeing with communism/socialism and complimenting Ayn Rand is hypocritical or stupid.

the rest of that crap you just spewed doesn't make enough sense for me to bother responding to.

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Wrong. The liberal shift in this country required no revolts. You need to question the premise of your beliefs, as they are incvalid.


Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

Don't you think that is what I said?

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Depends on your definition of a revolt, not all of them are violent.

I didn't, it was "I think" which means thats how I interpreted what you said

Yes :D

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You need to reread your post, cracksmoker, because you "thought" I said one thing, and Rand said another. Now you just agreed I reiterated her ideas. That ---- fles when arguing with Johnny, but I'm not Johnny.

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its not my fault your a crappy explainer you alcoholic bastard.

Heres what you said-

"Objectivism is about always aspiring to the Ideal, accepting no excuses, and becoming self-realized. In many ways it is unrealistic and inapplicable to real life, but it is the sort of ideology everyone should be exposed to if you want self-reliant and moral people willing to work towards a greater good."

^ that can easily be applied to radical islam and fundamental christian movements, I was trying to get you to elaborate on what the actual Ideal is that you kept referring to.

Heres what Ayn Rand says -

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute. -Ayn Rand

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WHO THE ---- CARES THAT SHE PARAPHRASED PLATO A FEW CENTURIES LATER

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And added her weird masochist sex fetish to it.

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Whats wrong with masochistic sex? >:D

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http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/americann...s/rand_pic.jpg

Tare it up dude. It's all yours.

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lol, Necrophilia isn't really my thing :6

Also i think theres a misconception that because I sympathize with her philosophy that makes me a student of Objectivism, well i'm not. I enjoyed reading Atlas Shrugged and see alot of similarities between that world and whats happening around the world today, I believe people should think for themselves and avoid the fallacy of group think.

For weird sexual content you should try reading "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley, basically everybody ------- everybody is considered the norm and monagomy is disgusting.

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I've already read it and I thought it was boring.

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On that subject, perhaps we should get signorelli21 to give us a list of his favorite books so that we can avoid the snoredom.

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um actually those are some of the more interesting books i have read recently if thats any indication, i usually avoid the fiction section of the library and stick to nerdy ----.

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+1

Everything and More is shaping up to be a good book. David Foster Wallace.

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Such as?

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well lets see, sitting on my desk currently i have the latest issue of the New Yorker, Scientific American and Foreign Affairs magazines as well as the winter publication of the "Journal of international affairs" from columbia university, as far as books I'm trying to finish a book called "Leviathan" by Thomas hobbs and "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.

Favorites, I don't think i have any, but i enjoyed "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine, "The Revolution a Manifesto" by Ron Paul, "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, "Blackwater" by Jeremy Scahill , "Ghost Wars " by steve coll and other authors such as Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Peter Schiff, Charles Darwin, James Madison.

My favorite fiction author is Dean Koontz.

So yea, I doubt your going to find anything there that isn't boring, I do disagree with Rawr though about "Brave New World", its poorly written but I still thought the story was interesting, mainly because of how strange it was, sort of like "Animal Farm", but meh whatever.

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Yeah, I noticed he uses small words. Haven't you noticed you can read all that pseudo-intellectual politically oriented crap but you can only deal with imagination on a much lesser level? You aren't desiged to take in right brain material.

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Quit reading stuff from social scientists. They're bad people. If you want to learn how the world works, or the financial system, it's better to read books by people who actually have worked or do work on that level and are obviously not doing it to make more money. People like Leon Levy who write because they've worked their whole life and no one has understood them and they write because they want to explain their life story to someone who does.

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lol, no most of the time when i read fiction I feel like I am wasting time I could be spending doing something else, also I've been trying to find books that are considered to be "classic" literature but I have found them to not live up to their expectations, like "catcher in the rye" or "Moby Dick", those books are ------- terrible but are on lots of recommended reading lists I have found. Not sure where you get the imagination bit from though, the people I know that spend vast amounts of time reading science fiction and romance novels are not very grounded in reality, and I never claimed to be a philosopher.

I'll look into Leon Levy, the reason I subscribe to the New Yorker is because of Seymore Hersh, your greatly mistaken if you think he has never "worked on that level" before, and also their articles are all fact checked for accuracy before going to publication. I read the rest of those magazines for the same reason I have read the bible and the Quaran, not because I am a believer but so that I am familiar with the subject when it comes up, they also provide a good insight into how the people that run our government think, but yea I am fully aware that they are usually very biased, I don't just read information on a subject from one source as your suggesting, I would rather read it from every source available and make my own conclusion.

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If you really want to read some ---- read The Categorical Imperative then re read it 15 times and see if you can understand exactly what it is Kant is trying to say from the primary source, then read Aristotle, learn that Kant thinks he got most of his ideas from Aristotle and try to figure out how the ---- he even thinks that.

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will do, (i'll just read it once and take notes though) but is there a purpose behind this or are you just trying to point out that philosophy is confusing and everyone interprets things differently? also on Leon Levy, I thought you said he was unknown and noone listened to him? According to Wikipedia he basically invented the idea of the hedge fund and co founded Oppenheimer, it doesn't matter though because it looks like he wrote a book on the stock market so i'll be picking that up tommorrow along with the two others you mentioned, right now i have to figure out how to mount the turn signals on the back of my stupid ass motorcyle. :D