4G63 reliability
 

Well I'm considering picking up a 1G Eclipse GSX, and I was wondering what your impressions of the 4G63 are. I've always been a rotard, and I'm used to the rotary reliability. What are the 4G's like. I've heard they tap out at 180K is that true? Also what kind of power can the stock block handle. I know a built engine can craank out 400 whp reliability, but I was just going to slap this thing together and make it a fun daily driver. Let me know your experianced impressions.

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I had an evo with a 4g63, drove it for a month, fucker jumped a tooth on the timing belt, and bye bye.

its sitting in the junkyard now. I will never again own a 4g63.

maybe it was a bad motor or something. dont know. I hated it, and im not going to write about the cooling issue I had with it...

dont get me wrong, the motor can easily make huge amounts of power, but keeping it working correctly is another task in itself.

you get a good one or a bad one. no in between.

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tick tick tick tick rick


BOOM

The engine itself is a stout bitch, but everything else that surrounds it is prone to failure, or so it seems.

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junk just sold my 93 tsi bought a 93 lx best decision ever made

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If your used to rotary reliability then you will love the 4g63.

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you mean having the engine last 150k miles?

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what ever you do, don't ask any dsm guys. they will all tell you how great they are.
everyone i've known with a dsm had major issues, but they are all dumbshits when i comes to cars so maybe it was them and not the cars :3

on that note i'm thinking about getting a 1g eclipse gsx or talon tsi.
however i work on my own cars, and want a pos beater.

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The motor is a great motor, but everything bolted to it is a piece of ----. But like said before if you are use to a roto, than you will love the reliabilty of the 4G63....lol

Upgrade the turbo, exhaust, injectors, and the side mount, turn the mbc to the NOG setting and you are good for some smiles.



Then you get to start replacing everything that is bolted to the car, because its a dsm :X

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i really dont understand why people bash on rotaries. they are just as reliable as most cars on the road.

the engines aren't made of glass.

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it takes a special person to own and maintain a rotary kain.

I will agree, a rotary isnt for everyone.

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i know. but the thing is, most people here are just relying on hearsay.

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There leaky ticky bastards but they can make decent power on stock block....

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I've never understood the rotary mith either. My car had a ---- load of 1/4 mile runs and many many days on the auto x, and the engine lasted 177k. I had a 13b with hundreds of 1/4 mile runs, it saw redline at least 5 times a day and probably 100 hours of auto cross on it and it lasted over 240k. It depends on how you treat and care for the engine.

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in the right hands they are deadly

have seen multiple 500whp stock block setups fun for thousands and thousands of daily sdriven miles

built the whole turbo kit on a talon that goes consistent 9.60s 828 whp second season on the same motor

id build one over a honda if i were to have a choice for a project car again.

there is something to be said about consistent 1.5 60 fts on crappy srtreet tires.

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It's a 300hp engine thats unreliable without work. Not to mention... DSM's were the thing when I was in high school in the 90's...
THERE ARE NO VIRGIN TURBO AWD DSM's in the world so give that idea up right now.


60' times mean a big deal... if you're 2wd. they don't mean ---- awd. massive drivetrain loss is for losers.



and just because the engine is on it's second season doesn't mean it can survive more than the what??? week your average car does? And basing this on history if you claim 828whp then it actually made what? 789whp before the entire thing gave up???
> 20psi + stock paper headgasket = hotrex's idea of reliability.

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Great motor.Get a built tranny its lots of money but past that there pretty solid.Overall build & material quality of car especially interior is not the best but good enough.Dont believe the internet hearsay engines are relaible people are not.

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ha hotrex owned :D

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motor is good i agree.. tranny and everything else on the car is not. just do NOT get a 2'nd gen, now that car right there is a pile of doodoo

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My buddy just spent like 5k in upgrades for his 2g, like a 20g turbo, FMIC ....... you know the rest. Guess what?

Crank walk and fucked a rod bearing over.

But 2g's are 7 bolt engines. 1Gs are 6 bolt. IF you do get one get a 1g and only do mild upgrades and if taken care of and looked after it should last.

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I had a 1G eclipse non-turbo for a few weeks..
the transmission sucks bad; 5th gear pop-out was horrible.
the interior is straight up kia quality.
ended up selling the car for 10 bucks

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second season on going to the track every wednesday and saturday coupled with hundreds of dyno pulls street madness ect.

actually it was 828 whp all boost on 54 psi sprays a 50 shot at the track .

btw stock head gasket for a b6a is a mls unit.

and the head gasket was not the point of failure, so why dont you go ahead and box up your mother and send her over for some ---- you ------ nig infested cooter

vid of said talon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2IpfDL3blI


300hp stock motor without work? haha you truly are ------ ignorant. why dont you go shove one of those ------ lame radio controlled planes up your ass and rotate on it

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watch out for the 7bolt motors they are prone to crank walk, the bolts are not.

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hotrex talk to me when anything you've worked on god forbid built ran for five minutes without a problem. maybe your hands wouldn't ---- up everything you touch if they weren't so big from the combination of steriod fat-ness and bending your shrunken dick into your ass you open sore stubble hair sucking man carpet licker

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I hear a lot of hating going on from either people who've never owned one going on hearsay, or by people that bought beat to ---- DSM's. It's true that the 1st gen tranny's are kinda weak, but like said...if you can get it rebuilt to hold power you won't have an issue with it. Maintenance is key on the 4g63, probably a bit more so than your average honda. As long as you keep up on that you won't have any issues with a 6 bolt bottom. Obviously stay away from the 2nd gen with the 7 bolt, although the typical crank walk found on them is usually clutch related to the point of wearing out the thrust washers. 400whp on a stock 4g63 is pretty typical if you do the right upgrades...larger turbo, fmic, cams, tuning (other than an afc) can land you right where you want...in vette stompin' land. The comment with the timing belt issue...they should be replaced often, more so on the 4g63 than a honda. I just did mine on my Evo at 60k even though the old belt looked solid, Gates Racing kevlar belt ftw! Honestly you can't beat the cast iron solid deck design...I say go for it! ;D

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I just sold my GVR4 a few months ago. Car had 180k and still had the original engine. It was pretty much stock except for exhaust and stuff like that but every oil seal was leaking but like I said, original engine and started up every morning and never let me down. I drove it like it was glass though as it was my daily driver. Will I ever go back to a DSM...nope. I'm happy with my Volvo.

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I had a 2g non turbo, friend had a 2g Talon turbo, and another friend had a 2g GST. All I can say is electrical nightmares. I finally gave up and sold it for $1000 less than I paid for it not to mention all the money I forked over within the past month tracking down the issue. :7 Guy bought it and within a month the tranny took a ----

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http://eurodyne.ca/TappAuto/gallery/9.89short.wmv ...........................................tits
they do require maintenance....but what car at 750+ hp doesn't
how many hondas do you see that run high nines that are reliable

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My point exactly. How many honda's even hit 400whp reliably? Not too many...

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as mentioned here, awesome engine, provided engine doesnt crank-walk its way to death, DSM owners are some crazy people, my buddy with his AWD 1G was ------ crazy, drove with so much busted ---- on his car, busted ass interior, few dents, busted lights... he drove with no power steering belt for ~3 years :6 and had a busted CTS that cause warming up to be pretty damn rough... and had a front half-shaft pop out, just got on it till the center viscous warmed up enough to drive the rear exclusively, made for some slow ass around town moving(the center diff worked like a damn terrible torque converter)... he had a parts car AWD 1G also, and a D50 with a 4G64 wideblock, he had a HUGE project for that, but we ghettoly finished it and it ran a total of ~4 times till the valves met the pistons.... at the end of it he got another car for free from his dad (96 altima) and sold both DSM's and his D50 for $1500... believe me though, his 1G was what made me want to boost my car, amazing engines, just unreliable. oh yeah and as for the 4G64 wideblock with stock 64 pistons and 63 head (~12.5:1) and a 4G63 ECU wired up, this was the thread we posted when we got it running http://projectzerog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=252

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That shouldn't be in the same sentence as DSM. They are just built shitty. Sure the 6 bolts are decent motors, everything else pn them is just cheap trash.

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ive built and drove much faster ---- than youll own. apparently you cant read good

10.0s alllast yr and 9.60s all this year on a car i helped build, yea

---- yourself


dont be upset your model airplanes are garbage get a real hobby

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I could say the same thing about Honda's lately lol. You have to keep in mind that the 4g63T was released in 1989, it's gone through a lot of changes and upgrades since then to work the kinks out, and you'll find there are a lot of parts that are swappable between all 4g63's and 4g64 platforms, so you just need to find the right combo. Besides, self-adjusting roller rockers are the ----. A nice 50 trim, 272* cams, decent tune and you'll have 400's all day long on pump gas and awd to boot. :D

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I agree on that, I wouldn't own a new Honda.

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How true...Honda went downhill after 2000. They definitely owned DSM during those days in terms of reliability wise. Tuning 1st gen DSM's is a bit harder too unless you have the eprom ecu, but if you want baller 4g63 status the Evo 7/8 motors have none of the old-school problems and are extemely beefy with stock blocks capable of mid 500 awhp with extremely good tuning.

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But K series is touched by the hands of GOD.

:P

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You=fail...you haven't proven anything in your post as to why they fail, you've only proven that you are the failure for being a close-minded follower of every Honda nut hugger out there. If you want to go that route Honda=fail and I have plenty of carnage over the past 10 years to prove it.

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ill second that motion

4g63 stock will take the same or greater pushment that a piston and rod anything honda will

as a matter of fact.. ---- a honda

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i have a N/A 4g63 its pretty good but im always having relaly small annoying bullshit issues with it.. the wiring is getting so aged that they are cracking so i need to get rid of the thing but awd in the snow is tits! i beat on it all the time and never fails but just the small things ...

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I've owned 4 DSM's. They break ---- all the time, I'm a pro at timing belts, and I have three spare motors/trannys/tcases in my garage. However, like was mentioned above, they are strong motors internally. Best of all, they are dirt cheap, that's why I keep them around. I bought my clean 91GSX with a 57 trim, AEM EMS, Sheppard Tranny, Slowboy long block, and a truck load of parts. Really can't beat that for cheap speed.