2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
#14
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
Did buk ever post exactly what he got charged with and what actually happen? I think i remember seeing the charges once, but don't remember if he ever said anything about what exactly happened.
#15
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
basically he was convicted of conspiring to provide support to jihadists in chechnya and bosnia, but there was some thing with mujahideen/alqueada getting tossed in there so they say he was helping terrorists.
I think the difference is that the bush administration made a big deal out of saying they had stopped a huge plot to detonate a dirty bomb and he trained with al queada and all this ----, then they kept him in a military brig for 4 years without beiong convicted of a crime because he is a enemy combatant, now of course they can't just let him go because he can sue for quite bit and it will become yet anouther scandal.
I think the difference is that the bush administration made a big deal out of saying they had stopped a huge plot to detonate a dirty bomb and he trained with al queada and all this ----, then they kept him in a military brig for 4 years without beiong convicted of a crime because he is a enemy combatant, now of course they can't just let him go because he can sue for quite bit and it will become yet anouther scandal.
#17
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
Originally Posted by random-strike
that wiki artical was written by buk
they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them
they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them
#18
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
Originally Posted by random-strike
that wiki artical was written by buk
they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them
they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them
when all this ---- started up...
http://www.adl.org/main_Terrorism/jayyousi_41305.htm
At a bond hearing on March 30, federal judge Steven Whalen expressed concern that the government's case was weak, noting of the evidence in the FBI's affidavit that "much of this information involves an expression of political opinion."
#19
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
yea whats funny is that the CIA was supplying weapons and training to the mujahideen during the russian invasion (ever seen rambo 3 ?) so padilla went to prison for helping these same people during the same time period, well i guess we should start rounding up all the SF guys that served in afganistan because they trained terrorists.
in other news..... whats with the ------- pope? where i work the overhead monitors are stuck on fox news 24/7 and all they have been showing is the ------- pope, all day long, omg they don't even do that ---- for the president.
in other news..... whats with the ------- pope? where i work the overhead monitors are stuck on fox news 24/7 and all they have been showing is the ------- pope, all day long, omg they don't even do that ---- for the president.
#20
Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
notice how they refer to him as a freedom fighter
one of the biggest things is that in all the translations that the translators made everytime mujahideen was said they translated it to freedomfighter.. the govt came in and had there own expert change it and keep it to mujahideen which is an arabic alliteration of the word.. so now theyre coaxing the jury
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4042676&page=1
one of the biggest things is that in all the translations that the translators made everytime mujahideen was said they translated it to freedomfighter.. the govt came in and had there own expert change it and keep it to mujahideen which is an arabic alliteration of the word.. so now theyre coaxing the jury
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4042676&page=1
The Real Charlie Wilson
From Playboy to Freedom Fighter, Charlie Wilson's Secret War in Afghanistan
Dec. 22, 2007 —
In the 1980s, Charlie Wilson seemed the unlikeliest of crusaders.
He was best known as the hard-drinking, hard-partying Texas Congressman with a penchant for beautiful women.
He is now lionized, however, in the new blockbuster "Charlie Wilson's War" as the one-man wrecking crew who helped defeat the Soviet army in Afghanistan. And the real life Charlie Wilson led a more flamboyant life than the star Tom Hanks who plays him on the screen.
"Charlie may have been the only believer in the United States that the Afghan people could actually expel the Soviets. He had his own personal jihad," said Lawrence Wright, author of "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11."
The real Charlie Wilson, now 74, has retired from both Congress and from his days of drinking. But he's as brazen as ever.
When ABC News' Bob Woodruff spoke with the former congressman on "Weekend Good Morning America" today about those days, decades ago, Wilson was asked about the reports of his cocaine use.
"Nobody knows the answer to that and I ain't telling," Wilson joked.
"How many dates did you have? How many women did you sleep with?" Woodruff followed up.
"Gosh I didn't keep count (Laughs)," Wilson replied.
But among Wilson's bevy of beauties was a tenacious Texas socialite named Joanne Herring -- played by Julia Roberts in the movie -- who opened Wilson's eyes to Soviet brutality in Afghanistan.
Once Wilson met Herring and she told him about the horrors of the Afghan war, he says he got more serious. "Mines that looked like they were toys would blow apart, blow off [children's] hands," Wilson recalls learning from Herring.
"Charlie said this had to stop. Not only does it have to stop, but it has to stop there before it comes here," Herring said.
Charlie's Covert War
Although the CIA was funding Afghan Muslims to fight the Soviet Union, Wilson wanted more money and more weapons because he thought the communists could be beaten faster. As the head of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, responsible for funding CIA operations, he was in a position to help do that under the public's radar.
With Wilson's support, nearly a billion dollars was allocated to help the Afghan Mujadhideen's jihad to expel the Soviets, including a key $17 million for stinger missiles to shoot down Soviet attack helicopters.
The Soviet army called it quits in Afghanistan in 1989, striking a major blow to the empire. Within one year the Berlin Wall fell and Wilson remembers that day vividly.
"I believe that was the most electrifying moment of my life," Wilson says. "I watched Peter Jennnings. I had a bottle of champagne I was saving for such an occasion and I broke it open. And gave [the Mujahideen] a little toast."
Aftermath
The U.S. cut back support and money for Afghanistan after the Soviets' withdrawal and civil war broke out. Wilson regrets the pull back and says that if the U.S. had stayed, "We would have had a friend in the Muslim world which we could use."
With the U.S. and Soviets out, foreign terrorists moved in. Osama bin Laden who fought alongside the Mujahideen, returned to Afghanistan and contributed to the rise of the Taliban regime and 9/11.
Wilson doesn't blame 9/11 on the U.S. withdrawal though.
"We would have had something like 9/11 anyways. I think that bin Laden had his course pretty well set... But when you fight a war, you do what you think you need to do at the time. What seems right at the time is what you do," Wilson says.
Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
From Playboy to Freedom Fighter, Charlie Wilson's Secret War in Afghanistan
Dec. 22, 2007 —
In the 1980s, Charlie Wilson seemed the unlikeliest of crusaders.
He was best known as the hard-drinking, hard-partying Texas Congressman with a penchant for beautiful women.
He is now lionized, however, in the new blockbuster "Charlie Wilson's War" as the one-man wrecking crew who helped defeat the Soviet army in Afghanistan. And the real life Charlie Wilson led a more flamboyant life than the star Tom Hanks who plays him on the screen.
"Charlie may have been the only believer in the United States that the Afghan people could actually expel the Soviets. He had his own personal jihad," said Lawrence Wright, author of "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11."
The real Charlie Wilson, now 74, has retired from both Congress and from his days of drinking. But he's as brazen as ever.
When ABC News' Bob Woodruff spoke with the former congressman on "Weekend Good Morning America" today about those days, decades ago, Wilson was asked about the reports of his cocaine use.
"Nobody knows the answer to that and I ain't telling," Wilson joked.
"How many dates did you have? How many women did you sleep with?" Woodruff followed up.
"Gosh I didn't keep count (Laughs)," Wilson replied.
But among Wilson's bevy of beauties was a tenacious Texas socialite named Joanne Herring -- played by Julia Roberts in the movie -- who opened Wilson's eyes to Soviet brutality in Afghanistan.
Once Wilson met Herring and she told him about the horrors of the Afghan war, he says he got more serious. "Mines that looked like they were toys would blow apart, blow off [children's] hands," Wilson recalls learning from Herring.
"Charlie said this had to stop. Not only does it have to stop, but it has to stop there before it comes here," Herring said.
Charlie's Covert War
Although the CIA was funding Afghan Muslims to fight the Soviet Union, Wilson wanted more money and more weapons because he thought the communists could be beaten faster. As the head of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, responsible for funding CIA operations, he was in a position to help do that under the public's radar.
With Wilson's support, nearly a billion dollars was allocated to help the Afghan Mujadhideen's jihad to expel the Soviets, including a key $17 million for stinger missiles to shoot down Soviet attack helicopters.
The Soviet army called it quits in Afghanistan in 1989, striking a major blow to the empire. Within one year the Berlin Wall fell and Wilson remembers that day vividly.
"I believe that was the most electrifying moment of my life," Wilson says. "I watched Peter Jennnings. I had a bottle of champagne I was saving for such an occasion and I broke it open. And gave [the Mujahideen] a little toast."
Aftermath
The U.S. cut back support and money for Afghanistan after the Soviets' withdrawal and civil war broke out. Wilson regrets the pull back and says that if the U.S. had stayed, "We would have had a friend in the Muslim world which we could use."
With the U.S. and Soviets out, foreign terrorists moved in. Osama bin Laden who fought alongside the Mujahideen, returned to Afghanistan and contributed to the rise of the Taliban regime and 9/11.
Wilson doesn't blame 9/11 on the U.S. withdrawal though.
"We would have had something like 9/11 anyways. I think that bin Laden had his course pretty well set... But when you fight a war, you do what you think you need to do at the time. What seems right at the time is what you do," Wilson says.
Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures