turbo noob looking for answers
 

ok before i get started it would be great if you didnt pelt me with bricks for being a noob and posting noob things, thanks.


i have a 93 si, D16z6 that i am thinking of turbo charging, i looked at kits and they are just toooooooo expensive *unless im looking only at the expensive ones* but then i got to thinking, my mom parked her saab 900 turbo a couple years ago cause of a blown tranny *this was like a month after she got a brand new turbo installed* it has a Garret t3, now is this something that will work? i read some T3/T4 in here things but never with a garret in front of it.

If it is possiable to do can you point me in the general direction of a thread or website that deals with this turbo in a honda?

Also is there a way for me to check if this turbo is still good? like i said it was only a month old when she parked it but that was 3 years ago.

thanks alot-

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Read the FAQ's

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theres nothing in there if your talking about the one at the top

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Ok first off take the turbo off moms car and put your fingers on the inside of the turbo and wiggle around the shaft. It should have very little play. If it moves around alot the turbo is junk. It also should spin pretty freely.

If this turbo is fine, (which it probably is) It will work fine for your turbo setup, perfect for a d16z6.

Now you need to start collecting parts for your turbo setup.

1. You need to get a manifold, Do you have AC? this is the part which fucks alot of people over, its hard to find nice manifolds that support AC. Basically your looking for a manifold for a T3 turbo (Saabs use t3 turbos) (d-series) All 88-00 Dseries are the same, so if the turbo manifold came off a crx, yes it will work on your car. All D-series exhaust flanges are the same. Where do you get one? Look around the forum, classifieds, hell build one yourself! Off the main page of HMT there is a projects page, lots of people like to use the Crx HF/CX/STD manifold why? because they are almost like turbo manifolds! all you have to do is buy an adapter to make it fit to your turbo and walah.

2. Piping, Since this is a "custom kit" your going to have to make a custom downpipe, and custom intercooler piping. This is one of the most difficult parts about the kit, especially if you dont have a chop saw. Can you weld? or know somebody that can weld for you? Some exhaust shops can do your downpipe, and some cant.. just depends. Where do you get your bends? Jcwhitney.com or speedpartsrus.com 2 1/2 in charge piping is perfect, and a 2.5 Downpipe is also good.

3. Oil lines and ----, Dont ---- around spend the 75 bucks from www.--------------------------- it has everything. The Feed line/Return etc. Nice stainless steel line, with a real nice block fitting. This will require you to take off the oil pan and put the fitting in.

4. Intercooler & BOV.. these are optional items that are not needed but are nice to have. Most of the users on here use intercoolers from Johnnyracecar.com why? because they are cheap and fit our hondas quite nice. What blow off valve? anyone you want.. RFL, a stock dsm one, whatever they all make noise.

5. Management This is the most important part of the kit, this is so you dont blow the ------- engine apart in 15 mins. You need to locate some Mitsubishi injectors 450cc, they come from any of the DSM (eclipse/talon/lason) turbo 5speeds. Now you need something to control them, Since you already have a p28 in your car (thats your ecu) the best way would be get the ecu socketed and use a chip with the bbka.bin file (uberdata), it would be perfect. Basically uberdata and chipping your ecu is more or less like a full stand alone ecu. But since your a newb its alot of information to grasp right off the bat. If you dont want to chip your ecu you can get one of those dodad Apexi V or S AFC fuel controllers, those work ok.

Basically the first month all your going to do is just start collecting parts and reading. This website has so much information its unbeleivable. There are lots of pictures and write ups off the main page you can look at. (under turbo projects)

This post was kinda vauge but its pretty close, I could write 2 pages of ---- to do.

Thats why we have a NEW USER FAQ
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...;threadid=3921

just go slowly and read through that ----, and go back 5-10 pages in this forum and there are lots of threads of info.

Jeff

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hey thanks alot jeff, but before i run off to the faq,

if the turbo turns out good, and all i need is the intercooler, piping, oil stuff, manifold and so on how much is it gonna run do you think? *i plan on researching these things but if you could give me a rough estimate that would be cool*


oh also i was deffinatly confused about the management thing, can i find a detailed thing on that in the faq or do you know of a place that has some noob info on it?


-thanks again.

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if you don't end up going the turbo route.. i'll buy that t3 turbo out of your moms saab.. aslong as its in good working condition.

let me know, ;)

Luke

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hey ill keep that in mind but first i have to get the damn thing out of there! *have you guys ever seen a 900 turbo engine bay? oh yeah and the hood opens the wrong way too >:(

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Read in the Engine Management forum about the whole Uberdata/chipping ecu deal. There are some guys on the board all you do is ship them your ecu and they do all the ---- for you. It's well worth it.

You can get pretty wild with turbo kits, buy all brand new ---- top of the line ball bearing turbo, apexi core delta fin mother ------- intercooler, 50mm tial vband wastegate, full race manifold, AEM EMS and ---- you can be over 5000 bucks in no time. It really can range from 500-5000, seriously it all depends on what YOU want ;)

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boy you aint-a-kiddin!!!
lol
what are you wanting outta your set up?
and for the future?
jman

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haha well i think i wanna keep it under 5k if i can :P

but seriously, im heading to college this quarter so i obviously want to keep things cheap *though not so cheap that i have to replace an engine* im not looking for the uber civic racer award, i just want more power from my d16 and the little *pssshhhhh* noise of course ;)

ok im still working on getting the damn turbo out, *I will destroy that ------- sweedish peice of ----*

so if all goes well and i get the t3 out and its still good im gonna start taking a serious look at parts but what i want to know is if i want to do it right and have no problems with it when im done what kind of price am i looking at for the rest of the parts? *under college bound student budget*

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haha i know how it feels trying to get tha ------- turbo uot. i have a 85 turbo saab and i just ended up going in there with a sawzall and cut the manifold and braces up until i go it out. if you dont have one unbolt the manifold and it will come right off. and just so you know. that car has a nice side mount intercooler in there to as well as a bov. the intercooler you can use for sure as well as the piping. the bov is a small plastic thing on the piping heading towards the intake manifold. getting that turbo IC and bov just saved you about 250 bux.

go to bmcrace.com/ he has log manifolds for 175 dollars.
or you can go to ebay and get an hf manifold and get one of the adpater plates from bmcrace.com that will made your manifold to the turbo. look for t3-hf adapter plate. 40 for the manifold and 50 for the adpater plate=90

stealth has oil lines in the classifieds for 75

you can use anyhting for piping, pvc if you wanted to. it all works. or you could get mandrel bents.

dsmtrader.com if you go there you can most defiently find dsm 450cc injectors. they are around 50 bux and hell ebay has a ---- load of em. you can also probably get a dsm blow off valve with the pipe and flange for about 40 bux.

in the classifieds, look for the post that says ecu chipping services, pm him and talk to him about chipping your ecu. its a very resonable price and its a hell of a lot cheaper then a safc.


your looking around 300-500 bux depending on what manifold you want to use, your bov piping and bov. you have most the stuff aready, just figure out what u want and go with it

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im bored before i go out so heres some links to the stuff you need..

injectors: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33554

dsm bov with pipe: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742

hf manifold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

bmc adapter plate: http://bmcrace.com/adapterplates.htm
bmc log manifold: http://bmcrace.com/logmanifolds.htm

johnnyracecar.com FMIC: http://www.johnnyracecar.com/fiveinfo.htm

your intercooler: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742 depending on the year its either the plastic end tanks or metal ones

apexi safc (fuel managment): http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33596

ecu chipping service: https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=22203

mandrel bends: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

oil lines: https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=15072

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Wow someone did all my dirty work.. ;)

mahcivic has everything pretty much laid out for ya..

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every once in awhile i feel like i should give back a little bit...hope this helps mang

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YES! its out- thank ------- god. so it looks pretty clean, but im confused, what do you mean by the shaft? like the thing that holds the tubine blade on? cause if its that then there is no play at all.

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just stick your fingers and wiggle it around a little. if there is no movement, your good. sounds like your turbo is in really good shape though.


BTW, where are you located?

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im actually in NE pensylvannia (im pretty sure i own the only si in the county)<-- funny thing is im not joking haha.

alright thats cool then i got a good turbo and intercooler so im pretty well set for 0$ spent. ;D

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" FMU (Fuel Management Unit) - These devices are also known as rising rate fuel pressure regulators. Thier function is increase fuel pressure as manifold pressure increases. This allows for more fuel to be pushed through the injector opening during the same pulse duration. How does this work as a management solution? As manifold pressure increases, so does the amount of air pushed into the combustion chambers, this air needs to be compensated with fuel, otherwise, a lean condition is created, and engine damage will occur. The ratio of fuel increase to air increase is normally dictated by an interchangeable "disc" or "plate" in the FMU. Others maintain a static ratio. These devices are normally used in conjuction with checkvalves. These are small, on way, air valves (available at Pet Shops that sell aquarium accessories) that are connected in-line with the vacuum line of your vehicles MAP sensor. Honda ECUs are not designed to "deal" with positive manifold pressure, so when the ECU sees this, it will throw a check engine light. The check valves are used to "bleed off" the positive pressure (several check valves may be needed depending on your maximum boost setting), and the FMU is used to compensate fuel. Stock injectors are normally used on these low boost, high fuel pressure setups. This setup is normally good for ~6psi."


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this is exactly what im looking for 5-6 lbs of boost and i wouldnt have to worry about injectors right? You guys have a favorite brand or know which works really good?

Also with this setup all i need is the FMU? theres no chipping involved of the ecu?