RKSskier

So anyways i just thought I would throw out some of my potentil plans. I'm sure you guys have heard peoplethat are new to a platform and have plans to do something that those who are familiar and knowledgable wouldn't reccomend. Being into hondas for the longest time I have seen way too many people with big plans and little knowledge and even less realistic hope. Well this may fall into that area. I personally think what I have in mind is pretty do-able, however we will see. (maybe) All depends on if I buy a 84 celica gts liftback or not. Possibility I may get the car, and If I do, it will be changed. However realisically I may not end up with the car. Well onto the fun part.

What do you think about this. A celica drift car. Moerso, a very cheap celica drift car. There is an 84 white gts liftback for sale. It looks like it is in good shape, mechanically and body wise. Has some small rust spots, and the odometer and speedo quit on life. However I think I could get it for $650 cash. I would be geting this car with the intention to drift, and possibly setup to be able to handle well for regular/grip driving aswell (possibly just for drift though) Not sure about that just yet. Anyways heres a quick breakdown of what I would do and cost.

$650 84 celica gts
$50 Welded diff (yes I know, I know)
$50 adjustable ghetto second rear sway
$20 short ram intake and filter (more for response, plus maybe that extra 2 hp!)
$30 spark plugs, fuelfilter, oil change
$0 Cut springs (hey figure if im gunna weld the diff why not cut them springs)

$800 to start and I would have a car about one inch lower, little stiffer with the cut springs, locked rear with the weld, and then stiffer rear bias compared to stock witht the extra support on the rear sway. And 150k mile motor stock with a filter, so less than the original hp. With the irs rear the camber will be enough to limit traction a bit. This setup should be sufficient to drift in the wet. And with as small and hard tires as I can get on the rear it will *hopefully* be sufficient in the dry. I don't have the hopes or expectations to be able to just power over and whip it out hard, but with crappy enough tires, and a little stiffer rear end getting it out through weight tranfer won't be a problem. The question will be does it have enough power to keep it out.....

I would be okay starting with that setup, and that would be after owning it for a week or two. I am prepared that I may not like the welded diff, or the cut springs. I would prefer pay $150 or less and get some stiff springs with a rather aggressive front to rear stiffness balance. And I know the welded rear would suck in parking lots, and decent chance it won't be too hot on backroads or grip driving. So I would be in search for a supra lsd. (unless I really liked the locked welded diff) Same with the cut springs, They wouldn't be ideal, however would be better for drifting than full length stock.

I would prefer to keep it naturally aspirated, but if it can't keep it sideways in the dry with crap tires, then bring on the boost. But im really cheap, so I would rather pay under $500 to boost it. How may you ask? here's the rundown...

turbo $40
manifold $150 (hardest part, and this way is making a log)
ic piping and couplers $60
sidemount intercooler $30
oil lines $50
bov $20
ajustabl fmu $50
downpipe $50

total $450 + add another $50 for misc hardware
total = $500 for a diy ghetto turbo kit

This would be running stock timing, (bit too much advance) and letting the fmu do the fuel. Ideal? No not at all! Advantages over standalone..... Will run stock fuel and timing out of boost. Capable of 5 psi? I say yes. I have turboed a naturally aspirated motor before (with full map ecu tuning) and I still have a wideband, so with an fmu can I get it to acceptable afr? I say I can go rich/safe)

So what would a 22re with 5 lbs of boost do? Im thinking 145 tq to the wheels and about 125 whp ish. I think that it would very likely add enough power to keep her sliding in the dry.

For $1300 a fun little turbo rwd?

Add other $350 or so it could have an lsd and springs, and actually handle well too.

I figure if I kept it NA it would take abuse all day for a long time still being reliable. Howver with the turbo setup I wouldn't expect as much.

Anyone know or can point me in the direction of info on the stock ecu and what it will do if it senses boost?

thanks guys, and feel completely free to just let me have it! My last car I did well, and the thought of doing a super cheap setup appeals to me.



This is my original thread at celica-gts.com
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/ind...ic=15755&st=0&

stillnoturbo

The supras from a few years before that came with factory lsd and disks. I'd hit up junkyards and find one and swap in the whole rearend. The Celica Supra's went to a IRS I believe so that won't work. If you look on club4age you might be able to find my how to make your own 4 link and panhard write up. I made both for under 200 with quality stuff.

RKSskier

the celica I am looking at is an independant rear. They can be swapped with a supra rear with an lsd, so that would be an option down the road, which is why I wouldn't mind welding the celca dif first.

Smith-02

solid motor platform.

www.lcengineering.com, pricey but good ----

a good flowing turbo at 6psi will be more like 150hp/175 ft lbs if you get a good exhaust going, valve springs are over-rated the motor will never see those rpm's they start to float at until its +300hp


uh, watch out for the timing chain. replace it regardless, and inspect the timing cover for timing chain wear marks

Smith-02

stock 22rte specs , a ballpark if you wanna boost and are curious as to what 6lbs does

Smith-02

your block is a '84 and i can't remember if the oil return face is cast onto the block



this is where they went on the 85+

Hitchhikkr

A boosted 22r is one thing, but I very much disagree with the notion that any 22r based engine will last for any measurable length of time in the high rpm/low load situation that your planning for it. N/A 22r are next to worthless, and bearing wear/oil control are the major concerns.

In short, if you are going to do it, you had best boost it. It will probably last longer believe it or not.

Eville140

Find a 2rz to swap in to it.

Hitchhikkr

yar.

RKSskier

See I dont know if it will be all that high rpm low load. I feel like it will likely be med to high load in middle rpm often. Has pretty long gears it looks like, So second gear drifts will probably be 3000-4000 rpm, and maybe the gears are long enough to do slow drifts in first, but idk.

My biggest worry is the ecu. Im not going to do a bit turbo setup or expensive at all. Not going to do megasquirt, thinking an fmu for low boost will get me plenty of tq. The yota guys on the celica forum seem to think it won't work too well. From what I have read the stock ecu might actually be able to compensate for 3-4 lbs boost, but im thinking of doing it the cheapo ghetto honda way. missing link, fmu (let the ecu think its wot, not boost) I feel the ecu will be more predictable there. Unfortunately there is no hackable ecu and romulator.

people hate fmu's so can I get one for cheap?
idk much about them, didnt crome p28 last setup