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Kanaflex 300 EPDM

Temp. Range: -40°F to 158°F
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The actual temperature range for EPDM is:-70*F to 365*F


Applications:
Heavy duty liquid suction hose for use in construction dewatering, liquid waste, cesspool cleaning, septic handling, agricultural applications and marine use.
Features: Lightweight and flexible, external helix provides for easy drag, resistant to agricultural chemicals. Construction: EPDM rubber, polyethylene helix, smooth bore, corrugated O.D.

2" ID - 2.43" OD - 5.2" bend radii - 50 working psi - 190 burst psi - 29.8 In/HG vacuum - .67 lbs per foot

3" ID - 3.52" OD - 7.1" bend radii - 43 working psi - 150 burst psi - 29.8 In/HG vacuum - 1.10 lbs lbs per foot



Looks.. Well... ------- ridiculous is the only way to describe it! ROTFLMAO!!!




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I've used the stuff on a civic, and on this ES 300. Never had a problem. On this ES 300, it fits on the turbo, runs close to exhaust piping half the trip. It's never discolored, it's not mounted on a hot manifold like most of you will so... It's your call, not mine. Neither the manifold civic, nor this v6 has ever had a problem.


The black is some rubbery compound that let's it bend. Probably some generic rubber. The green is a hard plastic to protect it.
The green helps it actually... It doesn't deform under boost/vacuum/bending, and it doesn't really get damaged being throw around sharp things in the engine bay. The green pretty much protects the black from being cut.

There is another benefit. If your flanges are the right size it completely negates using hose clamps... Trust me, this ---- is HARD to pull off, and the clamps can't really clamp the hard green plastic anyway. :P Like I said, it doesn't deform LoL! Just make SURE that you're using the right sizes for any turbo/throttlebody/intercooler flanges. This stuff isn't going to expnd on a flange, and I'm not sure home depot style couplers would work well on the outside of it. It's got a little texture on the green, but not enough to grab (IMHO).

About the only thing I've found going against it is that the inside isn't 100% smooth. There is a small, smooth wavy transition between the black, and the green. Honestly... Who gives a crap? If it's robbing you of power, turn up the boost, and/or stop being a cheap ass.


I'm currently down, trying to find some bigger turbo's to choose, but this one was holding over 20psi with no clamps. (I got sold the wrong turbo originally. It's way too small, but I decided to drive with it anyway. Amazing what happens when you weld a wastegate shut! :P)


Anyways... I'm going to keep using it, and I figured I might as well share it. So far I like it.



I got mine off this guy. http://stores.ebay.com/Abbott-Rubber...enameZL2QQtZkm

It's really cheap for what you can do with it. It's definately a better option than the PVC that some people use.

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hahaha

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No need to use hose clamps? What are you running 3psi? :P

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Read all of it, and both your questions were answered. ::)

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max ghetto. i like it ;)

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beetlejuice......beetlejuice......beetlejuice..... .ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D

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holy ---- that is badass. I likes that idea. Cheap and functional. Take more pics of your engine bay or woever's engine bay that is. The green must look funny from a distance huh, but then again if you ever try to sell your car it'll probably up the value like 2k. :P

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Temp. Range: -40°F to 158°F

Now, I've had a leaky downpipe and melted a few things. In order for them to melt, they definately were heated over that given temp. range. Any explaination why it oddly doesn't have those problems given the heat range and application it is typically used it? O0

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I want to see some more pics of the engine bay... LoL...

I guess it wouldn't look that bad if you painted it or something.

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me too.... O0

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turboj0hn I have no idea, unless they simply overestimate. Same sintuation as PVC. A lot of people use it out of spec, and it barely discolors. This... Is way better than that ---- tho.



Guys there really isn't much to see in the engine bay. My entire ES 300 is a ground study in the hundreds of things that people tell you can't possibly work, and why they actually work. ;)



Excuse the nastyness. I haven't cleaned the engine bay since I rebuilt it months ago.



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God damn it the file hut just deleted my account... Only pics I have left.

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i thought about using this stuff for my hard pipe couplers, but not for the entire piping. I grew up on a farm and we used this for pressure hoses on various equipment. It is super tough, but I was concerned (like others) about the temperature issue. I guess if you made sure not to get too close to the exhaust.... or maybe wrap it with header tape if it gets close. There are other companies that make similar hose with a metal spiral made into the hose also, i've run over that stuff with an 18 wheeler and the stuff barely deformed.

Props for taking a chance, it looks like it works for your setup.

Oooh, and it won't rust or need painting either....it's alreay 2f2f green. :P

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Month 4, both cars fine.
I'm telling yall, it's good ----! :D

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hahaaa...nice!

I guess for $2, its worth a shot. O0

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How about some fab pics? maybe of the manifold/turbo etc? thats badass that piping works, I'd probably hit it with some spray paint though, the green is a little... eh ;)

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so the 2id is really 2.43 inches? how much of it did you buy and how mcuh did it cost you? i think i'm gonna have to try this :thumbup:

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I'd throw some T-bolt clamps on it anyhow, and I'm with Jeffrey on flat black spraybomb.

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how do the clamps work with it

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Well, if it's got that hard green plastic on it preventing compression from a normal clamp, which are beyond fragile hose clamp's ability to compress, the t-bolts should be able to actually squeeze it a bit. While it look like it can cope with heat and pressure just fine, I'm a big believer in a mechanical connection to kep things from flying apart.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/2-ID-GREEN-PVC-S...QQcmdZViewItem

that stuff looks cooler.

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You could try the flexable PVC, but with all the PVC problems, I decided to try the kanaflex.

Clamps do work on it, the basic point is that if you put the kanaflex on the size coupling it's suppose to go on (2/3" ID pipe on a 2/3" OD coupler) it grabs so hard, there is very little need for a clamp. It takes an assload of pulling to get it off.

I just threw some of the cheap IDEAL hose clamps on there instead of wasting my T-bars.
The stuff is basically 50%" plyable rubber, and 50% 1/4" thick plastic.




My biggest fear using the stuff was that I couldn't couple it to a non-standard size. A Home Depot coupler on the outside of the kanaflex that connects to my 4" AFM adapter was going to be the problem spot. (No one makes a 2" ID to 4" OD.) I wound up putting it on like you see. I had to use a T-bar clamp on to get enough grip on the outside of the kanaflex.

A buddy wanted me to find out if a normal hose clamp would do the same. It was close, It would start leaking a little bit after a few days. On a night racing road side repair, we took a tube of Automotive Goop on it, then clamped the normal hose clamp back on. (Dumbass me Didn't have a T-bar clamp in the car...)

I haven't touched it since. I will when I get another intercooler, and finally decide if it's possible to cheaply twin turbo for the hell of saying I have a twin setup (I'm not a fan).





I told you that just to ramble.
Yes, you can use any hoseclamp to clamp the hose onto a connector successfully, but if you're going to couple something onto the outside of it, I would highly suggest a T-bar clamp & some kind of rubberized sealant (RTV, Automotive Goop, whatever you have) just to be on the safe side.

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i wont to hook my two turbo togethe with it the put a y in and have my charge pipe to the intake

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Sweet stuff, Keep us updated on how long it holds up

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haha i work at a farm supply store and i have seriously been debating buying it for charge piping
it is certainly a deal at $1.29 a foot

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English man. That's barely legible as a thought, let alone a comprehensible one.


I'll let yall know how it goes. I've got an ungodly amount of spare. I may put some against a header and see how long it takes to soften up & melt.

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i wont to hook my two turbo out pipes togethe with it then put a y in, and have my charge pipe to the intake

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getting warmer.......

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Looks like a great idea and it obviously works. Great to see homemade minds at work here. That is the ghettoist ---- I have ever seen. ---- sucking tubing working on a turbo setup!!!!!!!! I love it!!!!!!!! >:D >:D Whats next, a garden hose for an oil return line???? Keep us posted if you can do that!!!

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Na the oil return line was 5/16" high temperature fuel/oil hose LoL! (The 290*F stuff, not 250).

Ghetto?
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That was during the original fab, before it got clocked up a few more degrees & the piping was ground & cleaned up.
No the actuator didn't scrape... Until I hit a speedbump doing 25-30mph. It got destroyed LoL! Didn't matter... Small ass turbo - I had welded the wastegate shut anyway so it's not like it was doing anything LoL!

Think that's ghetto? You should see how I ported my heads, and how that super ghettoness gave some massive returns.

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nice xxx

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that's sweeeeeet!! When are you going to be on monster garage, "turbo civic special edition"?? 8)

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Man thats the first lexus I've ever seen all ------- backyarded like that, sweet stuff 8)

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I can now answer why EPDM is remaining unaffected by the heat.
The temperature range quoted from the EPDM-300 kanaflex maker is very low!

The actual temperature range for EPDM is:

EPDM
-70*F to 365*F

So I think the rest of HMT need to get on the bandwagon!

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how many feet did you use? I am probably ordering some this week.

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i think ill get this ---- too how much did you get do they sell it by the foot?

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How tight of a bend can you make with this stuff? Will I still need some 90 or 180 bends to get to and from the intercooler?

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You can buy this stuff with a 2.5" ID also. I guess that'd work a little better since a lot of intercoolers are 2.5"

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where'd you see 2.5" ID kanaflex?

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I saw it on Kanaflex's website. Im trying to find a source that sells it. Also the mininum bend radius is 5" for the 2" stuff and 7" for the 3" stuff

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Id call the company and ask who their distributors are. Just a couple of questions for the dude running this stuff, but first i wanted to say cool stuff and congrats on the turbo lexus. Reading above it said something about 43 psi working pressure, does that mean it caves in when its not pressurized? Also, how strong is the weakest point, the reason i ask is because i was thinking it might tear easy on set ups that have piping run through metal frame area or near the floor etc.
Thanks for the heads up on this stuff !