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drunkinmaster1 08-23-2006 08:50 PM

traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
like it says, i traded my 14b that was in mint condition for a t-bird garrett .48/.60 turbo.
problem is, 4 out of the 5 holes on the exhaust flange are broken off into the threads of the housing.
ive been told by a coworker to drill out the bolts a bit smaller with a reverse drill-bit, then use a penetrating lube like wd40.
after that use a tool called an "easy out" to spin the bolts out.

has anyone else had the same situation?
and how did you resolve this.

Loserkidwac 08-23-2006 09:01 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
Your co-worker is correct

sikcrx89 08-23-2006 09:08 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Originally Posted by Loserkidwac
Your co-worker is correct

exactly!! go get yourself a tap and dye kit and drill the old bolts out and rethread for some new ones.

drunkinmaster1 08-23-2006 09:10 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
tapping new threads wasnt what he told me to do.
he told me to drill out the center. and reverse the bolts out with an easy-out.

E-b0la 08-23-2006 09:10 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
Ok I've broken a few bolts on ----. One suspening bolt on the trailing arm/lower control arm in a bushing and a valve cover bolt.

If you can use a drill press. mount the housing in a vice of some sort so it doesn't move around. If you can use a dremel to grind the face of the broken bolt somewhat flat. Then use a prick punch to punch a small dimple in the exact center. (as best you can in the center) this dimple will act as a guide for your drill bit so it doesn't "walk" around on the broken bolt. All the while you should soak the holes in PB-blaster penetrating lubricant (I like PB better than wd-40 as it's made specifically as a penetrating break-free lubricant). If you can use reverse drill bits which will put pressure to unscrew the broken bolt out. Start with small bits and work your way up to larger bits. Make sure that the houseing that your drilling into is square with the bit otherwise you could drill into the housing in which case you potentially screwed.

Easy outs are good I guess I've never used on but try it! It might work good.

You can do it in a vice with a hand held power drill but unless you're steady I'd prefer to do it in a drill press.

It's hard to do and it's a long process.

Any pics of them? I'm not 100% sure on the situation of the broken bolts but pics would help alot.

E-b0la 08-23-2006 09:12 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
If you screw the old threads up you might need to re-drill and re-thread bigger hole in the housing.

Loserkidwac 08-23-2006 09:13 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
What he E-b0la said, I used an easy out but sometimes just drilling intot he with a reverse bit will pull them out

drunkinmaster1 08-23-2006 09:21 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Originally Posted by E-b0la
Ok I've broken a few bolts on ----. One suspening bolt on the trailing arm/lower control arm in a bushing and a valve cover bolt.

If you can use a drill press. mount the housing in a vice of some sort so it doesn't move around. If you can use a dremel to grind the face of the broken bolt somewhat flat. Then use a prick punch to punch a small dimple in the exact center. (as best you can in the center) this dimple will act as a guide for your drill bit so it doesn't "walk" around on the broken bolt. All the while you should soak the holes in PB-blaster penetrating lubricant (I like PB better than wd-40 as it's made specifically as a penetrating break-free lubricant). If you can use reverse drill bits which will put pressure to unscrew the broken bolt out. Start with small bits and work your way up to larger bits. Make sure that the houseing that your drilling into is square with the bit otherwise you could drill into the housing in which case you potentially screwed.

Easy outs are good I guess I've never used on but try it! It might work good.

You can do it in a vice with a hand held power drill but unless you're steady I'd prefer to do it in a drill press.

It's hard to do and it's a long process.

Any pics of them? I'm not 100% sure on the situation of the broken bolts but pics would help alot.

sory, i dont have any pics. but the info you gave me was very helpfull.
ill try the pb-blaster to penetrate the threads. the punch technique sounds like a good plan.
im wondering if the reverse bit alone will heat it up enough to spin some of the bolts out.



Smith-02 08-23-2006 10:29 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
---- wd40, it's a dry lube with petroleum carrying agents.

go with either Starret M1, pennzoil Z4, P'Blaster

and get a brand name (not walmart carried brand) of easy-outs, you'll love it when after the second bolt you take out, your easy-out still has an edge. and 20 bolts later. sure, may cost a few bucks more, but it beats ------- em up.

tapering your bolt hole SLIGHTLY may increase your chances of getting a good edge, also lightly hammer the bit into the bolt to cut a biting edge.


drunkinmaster1 08-23-2006 10:41 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
what brand of easy-out do you reccomend?

sikcrx89 08-23-2006 11:15 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Originally Posted by drunkinmaster1
what brand of easy-out do you reccomend?

i think blu-mol makes one or go to probably pep-boys or advance or something they might carry them or could order you one im sure

Smith-02 08-23-2006 11:27 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
i've never personally had a problem with Vermont American, they're a re-named bosch tool. read the back of the product card. walmart spraypaint used to say that it was a subdivision of rustoleum.

but yeah, try to stick with major tool brands (mac, snap-on, craftsman is making a comeback, maybe stanley, they went to ---- last time i used em. some of the more industrial tool companies (i can't name any off hand, but use their taps/dies/easy-outs all the time) will be an excellent buy. craftsman is possibly the best buy, they've really stepped up their product standards on tools. 80's craftsman drill = lasts as long as the time it took you to pay for it.

90dx 08-24-2006 10:10 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
Dormer,Proto,Jet,Hilti,Walter makes some I believe,Snap on,Craftsman etc.Go to a good tool store like a industrial supply place.This is one time you want to buy the best available.

TheMadScientist 08-24-2006 10:23 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
They're right. But what do you do if your ez out breaks?

E-b0la 08-24-2006 11:27 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Posted by: TheMadScientist

They're right. But what do you do if your ez out breaks?
Then your fucked....





....hard





....really hard.

Erich 08-24-2006 11:51 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
You may want to try heating the area around the broken off bolt after you have your easyout setup in there. That will expand the hole and make it easier to get the bolt out. Good luck if you break the easy off.
Erich

Smith-02 08-24-2006 07:17 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Originally Posted by 90dx
Dormer,Proto,Jet,Hilti,Walter makes some I believe,Snap on,Craftsman etc.Go to a good tool store like a industrial supply place.This is one time you want to buy the best available.

TRW, DoALL, DMW, etc.

it's some of the names i found on my taps i have, which are straight from the machine shop that stamps the cases for Zippo and a LARGE portion of the coin blanks for the US and Canadian mint.

Proto, SK some of the best companies ever in history for tools. HIGHLY reccoment buying any that you see at a garage sale for cheap, they're worth more than what you're most likely gonna pay

G2turbo_terror 08-24-2006 08:33 PM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 

Originally Posted by TheMadScientist
They're right. But what do you do if your ez out breaks?

I had one break off in a cylinder head once, PITA. Then you use a dye grinder w/a small carbide bit to remove the material. To avoid this happening, drill the biggest possible hole.

90dx 08-25-2006 03:49 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
Since the turbo is easy to bring with you take the other guys advice and bring it somewhere with a torch set and heat then try removing.

Loserkidwac 08-25-2006 07:46 AM

Re: traded my 14b for a t-bird .48/.60 . one problem though.
 
Or you can just find a new housing, T3 housings are pretty common, I had a buynch hear but sold them alll, the only ones I have left are the goofy dodge housings


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