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silly question...

i can get a ssauto t70 for pretty damn cheap, would i even be able to spool this fucker with my a6? would it even be worth trying?

.84/.70 sounds ------- huge....

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n. :(

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maybe with nitrous :D

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Split turbine. Use it.

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really? i wasnt expecting that answer. i honestly figured it would just be too big.

will it spool decent, or will i have about 500rpm of peak power?

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SSAC T70's are in theory able of big power but the problem is that they blow in minutes.
Lots of people want to have these turbos rebuilt because they failed but they are always too severely damaged to be repaired and internals are not standard garrett anyways. the design of the internals as been simplified by that chinese company, which is the reason of their poor reliability.

Yes, they can be purchased for under 300$ on ebay but is it too good to be true???
let'S simply say that an authentic turbinetics T70 retails at 1300$.

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I've seen one T70 last <10K miles before oil smoking. I've seen two die in under 150 miles.

If you get it to hold together for five minutes you'll be happy. If.

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Really?

What is different about the Chinese internals? Just poor quality materials? Or different design?

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ehh, i guess ill pass on it then.

dont really feel like throwing money down the drain...

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They are completely JDM. :S

China is the "land of labor." Their people get paid ----, and they are expected to do the job with worn out machines and tooling or failling that a hand file. What's an extra three pennies a day in labor at 15000% markup resulting in a product that costs $5 and sells for $40, and retails for $60 once it gets here. They give the 8 year old kids and beat down grammas a wheel barrow of compressed mule ---- each, and expect it turned into ten "Super" T70s by the end of the 22 hour work day. It's generally a pretty fucked up place - life is not worth what we think it is over there, where infants are stil killed upon occaision for being born the wrong sex, and overpopulation is a HUGE problem.

Just like India started taking American manufacturing and (lol) tech support jobs a decade and a half ago, because the people there were bright and hardworking and willing to do whatever to get a meal a day and a clean bathroom for their families... China has started taking American (and Indian) jobs by being hardworking and willing to pimp their people out like $2 -----s. The whole time America's economy goes down the shitter (look at the value of the dollar) and we shop at China Freight for tools we know are going to break and buy SSAC turbos and manifolds by the ---- ton even though we know they'll fail. We're creating this endless NEED for worthless junk, as we are a disposable culture at it's height. It doesn't matter how long it lasts, what matters is that you got to throw it away, and that the shelves are stocked with more so you can replace it for $3.

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i wish i would have time posting pictures of that ---- but i am too busy building genuine garretts but to make a short story, on this particular Super T70 model, the thrust plate is not held by anything. it's kind of loose within the turbo which makes no sense since this thing is supposed the bear the Actial movement of the shaft. Also, The bearings have a stupid groove in the middle to compensate for the lack of a oiling groove in the sleeve and this cheaper version of the system is much more prone to wear.
basically, it's so crappy, it's no longer a compy anymore.
i would say the "not so SUPER" T70 is by far the WORST chinese turbo available.

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Have you ever read, "The World Is Flat"?

If not, you should. It shows how outsourcing, off shoring, and other international business advancements have actually improved life for both us and those over seas.

I don't have the time to explain it all right now. But seriously, if you are interested in international business (like I am), you should definately take the time to read it!

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okay i know ss auto is ----, but lets compare for example any other of their turbos to a true genuine version of teh same thing? are they all teh same problems as the T70 or what are some horror stories you have of other ss----- turbos?

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So you say the internals are crap, and most people send them in for a rebuild but by that time they're too far gone... however, is it possible to buy one of these that are either new, or used but not showing any signs of wear, and have them rebuilt?

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good question!

blaast, does your $250 rebuild with garret internals apply to these turbos as well?

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The other chinese t3 and t3/t4 turbos that are knock offs, since they are lower quality but pretty exact copies that are still COMPATIBLE with GARRETT, i can make them better by putting real garrett shaft, thrust system and bearings..

But The T70, I cannot really fix. it's not exactly the same as real big shaft turbos
The new internals have to come from that same chinese factory but i am not aware it'S available, which will not solve any of the problems that make this turbo a piece of crap anyway.
to make it good, it would need some serious MODIFICATIONS.

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Have you ever read, "A Basic Economics Text?"

If not, you should. It explains how every dollar must be CREATED, and the only way to do that is by manufacturing, and sending out manufacturing base to a hostile country such as China fucks us now and fucks us royally when we go to war with them in 50 years - they are the most likely opponent, didn't you know?

I don't have time to explain it right now, but if you look you'll see that Ford is trying to create a real honest to god world economy type situation, and everyone else is trying to sell their grandmother overseas for a dollar with no concern about our future. If you are interested in the way things actually work, as opposed to snowjobs and LIES, you should definitely take the time to read it!

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What in "the world is flat" is a lie?

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What in what I've said is incorrect? The trade deficit in re the East is huge, and our jobs are leaving.

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So you believe that off shoring is bad for our economy? Are you personally willing to pay more for products just because they are made here, even if they are the same quality as the imported stuff? Whether we like it or not, Americans are not willing to pay higher prices to keep jobs here. Think of how sucessful Walmart is purely because of their pricing.

Companies are always going to try to find ways to make more money. That is their responsibility to their shareholders. I don't know if you have ever worked in a publicly held company before, but they have to be profit oriented. If they can save money through offshoring, then everyone is happy. Everyone except the person who lost their job.

In this day and age, and the future, the weak are going to fall further and further behind. The service sector (telemarketing, accounting, computer programming, engineering, scientific research etc.) will be outsourced to English speaking countries, and manufacturing will be outsourced to China. There's no question about that.

The only thing we can do about it, and what "The World Is Flat" talks about, is learning how to adapt and become leaders. Learning how to learn is going to be a great asset. Knowing how to adapt to changing economic influences and use them to our advantage is going to be what separates the sucessful from those who fall behind.

I don't know about you. But I am going to try my best to improve myself so that I can become a leader in the future of business.

Oh, and every dollar is not created through manufacturing. Banks create money every day by giving loans on a fraction of their reserves.

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I ran one of the ssauto t70's on a single cam, it started to spool at 6 grand and I think hit around 23-24 psi by 7800. It was definatly a bore to drive.

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yeah well maybe a good garrett one would also have done that because that T70 thing is huge!

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Middle management is what has killed off the American economy + I don't really care to read a book in defense of how being a useless ------- paper pusher is a good thing. Engineering is leaving America because the majority of engineers want to do engineering for two whopping years, accrue zero experience, and then jump on the management train so they can start making the big bucks. This same principle applies to most other areas of industry that are leaving America. It's ------- stupid.

This is a disposable culture at it's height, populated with fat out of shape grease eating freaks, but it's okay because we'll throw it away and buy another culture from China when we're done with this one. :S

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I'm with JD on this one. What goes up must come down. Our time will come, and I'm just hoping it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

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Our oh-so-vaunted "leadership" skills being percieved as more important than being able to do the ------- job have caused the American dollar to drop into the toilet. Where I used to carry the GNP of Canada (a Third World country to our north) in my back pocket as spending money, our dollar is now almost as worthless as theirs.

I don't know about you, but when you are a hard working intelligent type the best managers know they suck compared to you, leave you the ---- alone, and run interference for you when dildos try to keep you from doing your job. The majority of managers are not like this - they are fat, overweight, supremely confident in their own ignorance. And, apparently, they write snowjob books espousing why they are more important than anything else in the world. :S

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That's not what the book is about. I'm not here to argue, and if you want to be ignorant of what is really going on in the global economy, then don't read the book and keep on thinking how you want to think.

This book was a New York times best seller for a number of months and is taught out of at a number of top schools around the nation including Harvard Business School. I heard about this book from the Harvard Business Review. If you think all of the top economics and business scholars around the nation know less than you do about the global economy, well then I have no more to say.

Anyways.

SSAuto T70s suck. ;)

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>:D your a communist >:D

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that'd be lagmonster 2000.

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I dont know what all the comotion is about, Chinese women and orange chicken are great. :y

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I'm with LSD on this one, i ------- love chinese food and asian women. mmm especially the women.

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I am here to argue. Did you not know? I am a drunken belligerent son of a bitch.

I can draw distinct parallels between the pseudo intellectual Hah-vahd faggotry saying whatever they have to in order to get their bennies from corporations out to make a buck at the expense of our future, and the Michelson-Morley experiments used to educate graduate student physicists in LIES. Some things are convenient, sir, like getting paid as much as possible for being fat and lazy.

Ayn Rand got a few things right, you know.

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You better have one hell of a SOHC engine to handle a t70... that's about a 90LB/min turbo you're describing :o

It would probably spool around 6500... w/n20 probably 500-1000rpm less

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there is a guy on here i think his name is redcivic99 (he is local to me) he just put one of those on his d16y7 and he says he gets 15psi by around 5500, starts spooling just after 3k. my 57 trim t3/t4 got the same boost by 5k so doesnt sound like a lag monster at all. not if you have a cam and are reving to 8k!

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No, it's been crippled by JDM manufacture, and is only a 60 lb/min turbo. The compressor on the "Super T70" is more akin to T61.

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Word...

I've heard that the Ssauto T70s aren't even true T70s at all.

It's funny how they list a bunch of different specs in the auctions that don't even make sense. :S

Like their T3/o4e .57 trim. lol WTF?

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The turbine wheels on those "T70" are P-trim T04 clones, you can bolt a T04 P-turbine housing to one after milling it down a little to get rid of excessive clearances. All in all, it's a wierd combo of poorly copied stolen ideas and halfassed innovation.

ej1 wilcox... don't you want to argue with me? I WASN"T FINISHED WHINING YET DAMN YOU!! :'(

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lol.

I would, but I'm having too much fun baiting this Quixtar retard on myspace. She's telling me all about her new intenet concept!!!!!!! lol

I hate ------- mlm idiots. I do love ------- with them though. They always get so excited when I tell them I am interested in their oportunity.

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frank turbo's FTL

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dont buy the SSAC ----

however, you'll be able to spool that sucka at 5.5 - 6K IMO

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werd... ::)