so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
12-30-2006, 02:23 AM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
haha your funny. you tried arguing with samson and your wrong stil like always. i cant wait till you dissapear like so many other butt------- ------ **** befor you, go back to honda tech where you came from with all the other 
I didn't come from honda-tech dickmunch.
Originally Posted by RENR
maybe hes talking about the turbine side and not the compressor.
Originally Posted by RENR
you can swap out the turbine housings on both the 48 and 63 housings w/ no problems.
T3 compressor wheels come in 6-7 different sizes. Gotta have the right housing.
12-30-2006, 02:44 AM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Samson didn't prove anything. You are such a dumbshit. Hang yourself already, you contribute no knowledge. Keep banging your crackhead mom.
I didn't come from honda-tech dickmunch.
I didn't come from honda-tech dickmunch.
my mom is dead and i have no neck and honda tech loves you they all talking about......
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12-30-2006, 03:32 AM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
I've swapped compressor housings on numerous turbos. The T-Bird housing will fit on other T3s but if their trim is smaller there is a gap you can see starting at the inducer.
You have to match the compressor wheel to the compressor housing if they are not the same trim.
I don't think it's that hard to understand. Need measurements?
I'm sure madmax can provide those since nobody else has intuitive replys.
You have to match the compressor wheel to the compressor housing if they are not the same trim.
I don't think it's that hard to understand. Need measurements?
I'm sure madmax can provide those since nobody else has intuitive replys.
12-30-2006, 06:31 AM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
I don't know what fitting a different comp. housing to a smaller wheel is actually like, but any gap created will seriously hit the efficiency hard. Look at the comp. wheel in the first pic and how close it is to the casting. It relies on that close fit to actually compress the air. Kind of like a piston and a piston ring. You might not be able to see the difference, but i bet you could measure it.
12-30-2006, 12:23 PM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
Exducer is flush while inducer has a slight gap. I dynoed after the swap but never before so I have no statical proof. Many people have done it and can tell you the difference and that' the best I can offer. I agree though that to achieve its full benefits you need the correct wheel, none the less, it helps.
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12-30-2006, 12:39 PM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
Garrett GT32? I'd run it in a heart beat. Look up whiterice + MADMAX's threads on el cheap topmounts using 4-2-1 header upper portions... run it so that the cyls stay paired and spool should be quite good. You can also run it with a traditional manifold, but it'd be more suited to a big power drag turbo application as it's going to spool a little lazy in 1st, you have to stand on it and speed shift to get the boost to build, and you have to crank the boost up high so boost doesn't fall off between shifts. A cam and a couple hundred extra rpms, or a 50 shot, can lessen spool/powerband problems. 
There is also the small diesel T3 turbine wheel, it's quite different, and although I've never seen an old diesel Rabbit turbo I'm suspecting that with a .38 (.3x something anyway) AR turbine it might be different as well. Spot on about the compressor + housing match though.
Originally Posted by MADMAX
No problem because almost all T3's use the same turbine wheel. The mercedes is the only different wheel.
T3 compressor wheels come in 6-7 different sizes. Gotta have the right housing.
T3 compressor wheels come in 6-7 different sizes. Gotta have the right housing.
12-30-2006, 06:43 PM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
There is also the small diesel T3 turbine wheel, it's quite different, and although I've never seen an old diesel Rabbit turbo I'm suspecting that with a .38 (.3x something anyway) AR turbine it might be different as well. Spot on about the compressor + housing match though.
Chances are it still uses the same stage 1 wheel. The aftermarket just adopted these stage names for the super common T3 wheel, and stage 2 for the mercedes wheel since it is slightly bigger.
I like to see if the blade designs are different on all these T3 turbines. Most likely some are, but they just kept the same exducer/inducer and curve measurements the same.
12-31-2006, 08:08 AM
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Re: so will the stock sohc spin this bitch
MADMAX was probably originally thinking what I know - the 60trim .60ar housing will leave a gap, almost 0.2" at the inducer, when swapped onto a 45trim '.42/.48' turbo. The exducer is the same size, so it fits tight down below, but you're still loosing air to it rolling off the side of the wheel. Think of the losses from an anti-surge housing, then multiplyu them by 10x. Its kinda like ------- a funnel. It works great when you get to the very end of the funnel, but until you do, its pointless.
If you really want some proof about this, go to HT and look at the (iirc) gt4088r thread. Its a gt42 in a gt40 housing, if I remember correctly. They do say it will spool quicker, but make less power. Its not designed for it, so it sucks. The compressor AR doesn't do too much though. Its mainly the inducer size and exducer size that dictate much of the charactersitics.
If you really want some proof about this, go to HT and look at the (iirc) gt4088r thread. Its a gt42 in a gt40 housing, if I remember correctly. They do say it will spool quicker, but make less power. Its not designed for it, so it sucks. The compressor AR doesn't do too much though. Its mainly the inducer size and exducer size that dictate much of the charactersitics.
