self contained oiling system for turbos
 

Hey guys I am putting together a sperate oiling system for my turbo. I have seen a system for 1000 USD, which is nuts.
So far I bought a nice pump, a cooler, and a thermosensor.

I just need to find a good quality low cost oil tank, maybe about 1 liter or capacity to finish it up.

Here are the specs of the system I have so far.

60 psi, 1 gallon/mintue pump.
10'x15' oil cooler
off the shelf thermoresistor.

I am gonna program a micro controller to display the oil temp, flow rate, and oil pressure and throttle the pump accordingly.

Any guess as to what kind of oil temps I will be looking at?
I am just afraid because if the oil remains to hot it will shorten the life of the pump.

Any suggestiong as to a good quality low cost tank for oil? tank should ideally hold about 60 PSI.

I figure if I can put a good setup together it would be great for people installing a turbo system since for me the oil was the biggest PITA. Plus you could cycle the oil throught turbo after the car has shut off so it you would not need a turbo timer.

Any Ideas/comments?

Ragards,

Alan To

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Him, kinda sounds like alot of work for really nothing. Utilizing the stock oil system is really the way to go unless your going out on some type of full race car.

Mounting a pump, finding somewhere to put a oil tank, making more room in the front for an oil cooler, running all the lines and wiring everything up would take a newbie way longer than running 1 oil feed line and adding a fitting to the oil pan.

I just dont see any advantages. Cost/Time/Significance... doesnt add up ?

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well, my engine oil gets dirty fast, and I do not want to screwup my turbo.

I can run synthetic for my turbo and not inncur the cost of running synthetic for my engine.

From what I read, if it is properly setup it should allow the turbo to run cooler.

Plus it would also do the job of a turbo timer.

Yeah the hassle has its pros and cons, but for me atleast the oil was the biggest of all hassles. Took forever to put in the fitting to tap the block beacuse there was not much room, removing a 10 year old oil pan and drilling a hole was a bit of hassle too. But I agree that it would be more of a luxury than anything, tapping the oil from the block is the cheapest way to go. But with people these days throwing money at things such as louder BOVs I think this is not that bad of a waste of money.

Well I am gonna give it a shot, who knows it just might work out great and I might be able get some decent benefits while allowing me to save money on synthetic oil.

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why not run a water cooled turbo and change your oil frequently... sounds like an awful lot of work for little gain here (well no performance gain)

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you got way too much time on your hands. oil & water cool is the way to go. get better engine management with the $$$ you're gonna use on your oil invention.

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well I guess I'm the only one that is gonna support you on your radical essentric idea man. If you feel that this is what u want, go for it. You want better suggestions then I'm sure people will tell u (like they just have).

Your biggest problem will be burning up the pump. Maybe a more suited hydralic pump would work better, you don't really have to have some sort of crazy ass PSI factor (60 is high). I think you just need to move it at a steady rate. This will be a sealed system so I'm thinking of maybe some sort of hydralic resevoir. My dad works for a company that makes high end pressure washing systems. Next time I get a chance to have a nice long talk with him (like in the car) I will run it by him for input.

Good luck with your project, keep us updated, and take lots of pics for the buildup.

-ryan

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60 psi is high, but I can throttle the pump voltage to get a more reasonable pressure. I too have alot of conerns about the pump burning out, but it tooks me days of searching for a pump that can handle decent pressure and has the proper seals to handle oil, which does not wieght like 25 lbs. The oil temp will pretty much be make or break for the system, if the oil temp gets too high then the pump will be toast. I am hoping and praying that the cooler I have which is pretty big, 10'x15' will be able to cool the oil enough.

I already odered the pump and the cooler, maybe I will not need a resiviour the volume of the cooler itself might be enough.

I love doing crazy fucked up ----, I would rank this as one of the more crazy things I am doing right now. Thanks for you words of support bud, and I will keep the rest of you bashers informed as to my progress:)

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oh BTW i just successfully tested my homemade EBC, Will post pics later on once the thing is more complete. I am gonna have a 3D boost table, based on RPM and intake temps and put some bad ass dataloggin on it. Was able to get it to communicate serially to my desktop over the weekend. It is so f*cken cool when you see a microcontroller talk to the computer and vice versa.

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find out how you can test the pump to see if it holds up pumping hot oil before you build your invention.

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I am gonna use it on my car, and use it a the test platform. I will have temp, flow and pressure sensors for the oiling system to verify that the pump is working, oil is cool and seals are okay. Plus I will put another temp sensor on the motor to make sure it is not over heating. I am just gonna go head on into this, never know if it will work until you try it out

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Hell yeah man. That ---- sounds like fun.. I don't think I'm going to run out and build one, but it would be nice to know if say someday I wanted to efficiently cool oil on a quad turbo engine (me and my v8s).

Can we have some info on the EBC?

Don't worry, I'll keep the haters at bay for you.

-Ryan

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The electronic boost controller is quite simple. At the simplest level just a Map based switch connected to a boost soleniod. You can make a map based switch from an Op-AMP. To drive the boost soleniod you hook the output of the switch to a relay which drives the soleniod.

I just used a micro controller instead of an Op-AMP, which powers the soleniod when the MAP voltage exceeds a user settable threshold. Pretty simple ----. was working like a charm when i tested it. I Found a good source for boost soleniods. I think I can piece together a EBC for less than 100 bucks, probally less.

I am working on integrating this together with my homemade AFC and throw in ignition timing control into the mix.

But it is the oil system that I am excited about, I have posted this up on 3 boards and recieved mostly negative feedback on it.

If you are interested in some of the crap I did serach for my posts a few months ago and there should be a link to a few of my AFC pics. Hopefully it is still up.

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hey toalan, is your homemade afc the trailerpark hack? here's the link:http://www.carolinahondas.com/forums...ailerpark+hack
if not, is there a link to your homemade afc?
how does your car run with your homemade afc as far as not haveing individual rpm adjustments?

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works in the same principle I guess as the treiler park hack I suppose, most piggy back systems work on the same principle: trim the incoming map voltage so you do not throw out a cell and use larger injectors to compensate.

Mine was very similar to the apexi AFC, had LCD and ----, but was tunable to every 10 RPM could of made it even more finer, it was ass tunning 700 RPM points but it worked.

here is the link: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toa...&.dnm=5186.jpg

looked really nasty. but it worked.

I have decided to do away with the lcd and input buttons and make it computer tunable. that way I can easily do 3d maps for better fuel adjustment, and do a 3d ignition retard control. Plus it will look much better; just a little black box with a knob to control my EBC. I am working on the setting up the Memory space of my micro controller for the 3d tables at exactly this minute. I want to do datalogging but I only have 1024 words of memory left for logging, this will allow logging of 5 sensors @ 10 samples per second for only 20 seconds. I figure this will be enough to do a complete quarter mile,Do you guys think this is enough?

BTW just got my oil cooler yesterday, got raped for shipping and handling but it arrived. Just waiting for my pump now.

Regards,

Alan To

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btw if anyone wants to build their own missing link, I have the schematic up on the 4th pic, you can do away with the check valves if you are using a FMU. cots me 25 cents to build; 2 resistors, a normal shitty diode, and a left over piece of PCB board. Worked great with my FMU on a turbo D16, never saw a cell even at 7 psi, my 3 check valves gave out at 6.5 psi.

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sorry the link i posted was screwed, this one works:

http://photos.yahoo.com/toalan2001

you might need a yahoo account to see it.

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I just packed my turbos with axle grease.

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no yahoo account needed to see it Alan. thanks, i was wondering if you had schematics for the afc & the missing link. i don't know what the symbols in the schematics mean so if you could tell me then ok, or i'm sure there's a website i can find. i sent you a message,look next to your name on the top right corner of this page. thanks in advance. i wish i knew what you know about electronic.

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would pumping oil into your turbo screw up your seals if the turbo is not spinning? I'm talking about your turbo timer idea.

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This passage tells you everything you need to know:

The zig zag lines listed as 3k and 2k are resistors. The Diode is the triangle with the Bar. It only goes one way. Ground is obvious and 5v is just 5v of power. I have a circuit that uses opamps that scale the signal in a linear fashion and it uses a few pots for a little bit of adjustment. All this is null and void though since a chipped ECU is a much better solution.

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Ok that's great toalan. so are you gonna post instructions on how to build the afc or is it just to show us what you're capable of building?

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It is not worth your time, money and effort to build the afc. There is not real schematic, most of the work was code. For the price of materials and the pogrammer, you could pick up an Apexi. Plus the last thing I need is to provide support for an AFC. The AFC was more for interest and education rather than a full time solution, infact I am still running a FMU. There are bugs here and there, mostly has to do with noise on the input and power lines.

I am working on a full time solution that is computer programmable, it wont have the lcd, it will be very similar in principle to the greddy emanage system, i have begun development work on this already. so far the specs are 21(map input) x 21(RPM) user programmable map output points, 21(map input)x21(rpm) user programmable timing retard points, 2 extra 10x10 3d mapped outputs, 2 extra inputs which can be used as an axis for any of the outputs. Datalogging for 20 seconds, turbo timer (if I have time), Elecetronic boost control, and it will be totally firmware upgradeble. This one will be for a retail market, hoping to price it around 100 bucks without the boost soleniod and maybe 130 with the boost soleniod. It will be pretty much a full solution for your fuel and timing needs. No idea when it will be available, not selling anything right now.

If your ECu can handle it I reccommend using uberdata, heard lots of good things about it. I will give it a try myself.