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I want to know what you guys think. Should I go with Eagle rods @ $400.00 or is there a better alternative? I've heard ZC rods will fit... but how much power can they handle. When all is said and done I want to be pushing 230-250. I'll be posting my block and will upgrade the valve train as well. Let the advice flow in.Thanks.

Ok just noticed the vitara pistons post. Where can I source some of those? Is this a direct fit? (stupid question)

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Eagle rods do not cost $400.

ZC rods are D16 rods. The early 86-87 were a cruder design that "look" beefier, but if you had a set side by side with any other D16 rod your reaction would be "WTF? What's all the hype about?" They are, at best, good for 0.02 whp more than any other D16 rod and more likely to fail at high RPM.

You need to do a lot more clicking of the search button before you make posts. Not trying to be a dick, but... :l

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I did do some researching and according to eagles' site they cost $400 unless you know somewhere to get them for cheaper? I tried the search function on here but no luck. Can you help me on this topic?

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Try any one of the site sponsors, $300-315 shipped.


How about you click on more than one search result, and the ones you click on read completely.

PS block posting is a failure method.

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I did click on more than one result, actually several pages.
So block posting is a failure method? Can you elaborate on that? According to the tech pages its reliable and according to theoldone.com its reliable. Unless you mean something that I'm not grasping right now.

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If you read the posting thread on this forum you would know my view of it. Show me one car theoldliar.com has built which recieved any press or ran any better than the average build. Why are all these stock sleeve engines making 450 reliably, and everyone else running sleeves not posts?

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Josh, just look at the other builds and see what they are using. Tuner Toys rods are the least inexpensive, or get Eagle or Scat.
Sleeves crack due to high hp and/or detonation. If you plan on that being your situation then get your block re-sleeved.
Blockgaurd, block posting, or epoxy filling is not going to prevent you from cracking a sleeve or two IMHO.

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Okay thanks for input guys. I don't plan on making near that much horsepower so I'll just focus on the rods, pistons and valvetrain. While we're on the subject what brand and specs do you recommend for valvetrain upgrade?

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Posting isn't intended to stop sleeves from cracking, its purpose is to keep the sleeves from shifting which can cause gasket failure. Now, it may or may not do this, but I'm just saying that's what the idea is.

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Ya I believe the posting is intended to keep the sleeves from shifting/going oblong, causing gasket failure but I don't think its intended to keep the sleeves from cracking or be a replacement for re-sleeviing. It is however a good cheap method to help strengthen the block a little for someone on a tight budget.

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how about some b18 rods/Vitara pistons. That should reach your goal of 230-250 easily.

Does the block need to be notched at all for b18 rods? or do the drop in with the proper bearings and bushing for the piston?

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I just got a set of z6 Tunertoys rods for my bro's crx build, they look good for the money. what pistons are you looking to use?

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I'm trying to be as cheap but as cost effective as possible. Like I said my goal is 230-250HP. I may use vitara pistons and use tunertoys rods. that seems the best route to go. is there a sponsor on here that sells vitara pistons? I'll go and check again but I don't think I saw one.

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there are a couple people who are always selling sets of 4 vitaras on ebay for pretty decent price. and check out tunertoyz on the rods, never heard anything bad about them at all. many many people use this set up on herem. search for vitaras set up and you will see a bunch.

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That was the idea, but it doesn't work. Even closed deck sleeved blocks shift sleeves and pop headgaskets. The cure for this is to stop feeding small bore engines so much timing, not posts. :-X

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(dumb question most likely) Is there any modification required to use vitara pistons?

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Buy my rods. https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=86344.0

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notching required for those TT rods? I read awhile back there was supposed to be a model released that didn't require notching.

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pretty much any beefier rod (wider) will need the block notched for clearance

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if your goal is only 230-250 do you really think it is cost effective to get rods/pistons and filling the block or whatever you were planning on doing? 12psi should be good for 220-230 and the stock pistons/rods should hold if you have a good tune.

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Keyword here being SHOULD. I can't afford to chance breaking a rod. I need to know its going to be reliable.

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On a side note. Do you think TT rods and stock pistons would work? Just a thought. I'm trying to save money. And also would the stock valve train work for this HP rating?

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You will require a set of Vitara pistons in order to use Vitara pistons.


SHOULD means it's not stock and unreliable as hell, just like any other pile of not stock ---- that's been gone through by amateur hobbyists. The only way I can see you breaking a rod, though, is through oil pump failure or you completely ------- up the bearing clearances. The rods themselves are stout and do not break across the beam for no reason.


Clue up, dude. You need a $500 beater to be able to attend to your life if your turbo toy breaks. Don't listen to all the people who tell you that their turbo toy is reliable daily driver. You'll just end up fucked in the ass over the deal.

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Thanks man. I'll save on the engine mods and just get a beater. Then its TURBO TIME! (...turbo man... Jingle all The way... )

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Just buy my rods :y.

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you know, that was a question that has been left unanswered at www.g1teg.org for YEARS. All we knew is that the rods were slightly bigger, but we had no idea if they were auctually any better. We figured honda wouldnt downgrade the rods, tho...but we just had no proof either way.

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it's been known for 10 + years, the fatter 86-87 rods weren't stronger, just the g1teg community was in denial about it.

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