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MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 03:27 AM

R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Teh Project BEGINS... :o

Still waiting on a T3 flange, and some other things. For the header, 1.5" stainless steel 304L seemless tubing w/mandrel bends. The collets that will fit into the block are being turned on a lathe to 1.75" OD 1.5" ID by .630 length. If anyone knows where a place online that can water jet me some flanges for the exhaust that would be great.. or we're going to mill them from 1/4" stainless steel.. I think I'm going to go with an internal wastegate to keep it simple, but I will always leave that option open. This is a Garrett T3 turbo for mock-up, it has a .60 A/R compressor housing, and a .48 A/R exhaust housing, it is quite large, so I beleive fitment with a smaller compressor housing would be great.. Plans haven't gone much farther than the fab stage, but I beleive a PC3, 12:1 FMU and inline fuel pump should tame the fueling issues with only running about 5PSI.. Possibilty of an intercooler, and an aluminum intake manifold in the future. Wish me luck.

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Scott-EP 04-08-2007 07:59 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
im sure they make software for that bike to run boosted. dont run an FMU. you will have one badass looking paper weight if you do

MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 11:14 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Yeah, I'm hoping to have some one step up with a good answer for a safe way to run boost on the 04-06 R1.. as to my knowledge it was only done one time using a claimed $7,000 fuel management system. Built by McCoy Motorsports (http://www.tobefast.com/customturbor1.htm) they planned on making it a turbo kit for the R1 community, but failed to produce the system after finding out that the costs for development would outweigh the sales end of it.

I'm hoping that these will turn out well enough to build a few systems with a few setups for external wastegate, and dumped exhaust to spark a few more peoples intrest and try to get this turbo 04-06 R1 deal going in the right direction.

I don't forsee higher than 5PSI with a stock motor. I would use an intercooler, the McCoy design uses meth injection with no intercooler.

But, I am by no means a company like them. I'm trying to do this because I love fabrication, and I love motorsports. I just hope that this becomes a good thing in the future.

kamilk69 04-08-2007 12:02 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
when in doubt use megasquirt.

Scott-EP 04-08-2007 12:07 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
yea. megasquirt may be the way to go

MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 02:52 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Thank you for that info, I will check that out.

WTF 04-08-2007 04:31 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
i wonder how much you can tune with a power commander, i have no idea i never used one.. id try to figure somthing out with the radiator i bet your ---- will over heat whenver you aint goin 100+ mph :6 mine bike runs hot as it is when im not moving, guess you just have to not stop

SpankedYA! 04-08-2007 05:08 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
They make a fuel and ignition capable power commander. It will be fine for boost as far I as remember. I have the PC3 software on my other laptop.

stillnoturbo 04-08-2007 06:07 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Hell if a Z6 has some good lag on a 60/63 or even some on a 48/60 I'd like to see what that R1 is gonna have.

SDRAWKCAB 04-08-2007 06:15 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 

Originally Posted by stillnoturbo
Hell if a Z6 has some good lag on a 60/63 or even some on a 48/60 I'd like to see what that R1 is gonna have.

what he said
a t25 or 14g would probably be a better choice.

MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 06:41 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Yeah, this T3 is just for mockup. I went with a T3 flange because of the wide variety of turbos.

kamilk69 04-08-2007 06:50 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
you guys forgeth these things rev up to 10,000 rpm, even if it hit full boost at 6k hes still got plenty to go.

99boostedr1 04-08-2007 07:41 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Good luck I own a 99 yamaha r1 turbo currently running 9psi so far I got 211hp, but my bike is carburated. You should be fine with a fmu and a inline pump just be careful with the turbo you choose (because of how high you are going to rev) and you should lower your compression, let me know if you have any ?? I being thru a lot of testing on my bike so I can help u so you don't waste money and time good luck

MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 07:59 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Thank you for your help, and I will be in touch with you.

MoNkEyT88 04-08-2007 08:02 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Actually the 06 R1 revs to a 14,500RPM redline.. :S


Originally Posted by kamilk69
you guys forgeth these things rev up to 10,000 rpm, even if it hit full boost at 6k hes still got plenty to go.


stillnoturbo 04-08-2007 08:16 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 

Originally Posted by kamilk69
you guys forgeth these things rev up to 10,000 rpm, even if it hit full boost at 6k hes still got plenty to go.

Sounds like the ricer powerband. Hell the more rpm's the more HP! My car's tach goes up to 9k so it's cool. It's vtec :1

ososlohatch 04-08-2007 08:24 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 

Originally Posted by stillnoturbo
Sounds like the ricer powerband. Hell the more rpm's the more HP! My car's tach goes up to 9k so it's cool. It's vtec :1

duuuh .. noob :P

saabguy 04-09-2007 06:03 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Lots of yamaha apex snowmobiles run turbos on the old 150 hp fuel injected engine, im sure you could find a lot more info as far as fuel management on snowmobile forums.

www.totallyamaha.com or
www.snowest.com

DirtydseriesWoot 04-09-2007 06:17 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
powercommander.. it can do ignition and fuel been used many times and is not that much money.. and plus they have the stock r1 fuel and timing maps to start with for a base :)

Scott-EP 04-09-2007 07:18 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
i thoight about the power commander, but will that read boost?

DirtydseriesWoot 04-09-2007 07:30 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
im pretty damn sure it does.. goto the website and email customer service

99boostedr1 04-11-2007 06:01 PM

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exhaust manifold with turbo, running external wastegate no on picture. 2nd pic intake manifold

99boostedr1 04-11-2007 06:15 PM

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Dyno at 9 psi water and alcohol injection, bike is making more power now we were able to add more timing. let me know if it helps I lower my compression with you should due, otherwise you have to run very low boost and tuning has to be perfect, plus if you leave the high compression the boost comes in so violent that you can't control the bike, unless you install a strecth swingarm at least 6" over

WTF 04-12-2007 02:18 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
thing must be hard to keep under control.. lets see some clips

idiot-stick 04-12-2007 08:01 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
If I was you, I'd decide on the definite turbo you're gonna run before you go welding flanges to anything. That turbo's gonna be too big. I'd look into a t25 or 14b like someone suggested, or maybe an SR20DET T25

accordepicenter 04-12-2007 08:55 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
hebijake was talking to me one day about boosting his YZF1000 and needed help. I refused, that bike is insane as it is

99boostedr1 04-12-2007 04:36 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 

Originally Posted by WTF
thing must be hard to keep under control.. lets see some clips

it is hard to control I will post vids soon, I am waiting for my swingarm to be done I took the stock swingarm out and I am installing a ducati 916 single sided swingarm and rear wheel but first I am having it stretched and braced to help me control the bike boost comes in very fast, it starts to build boost around 3100 and I have full boost by 4200

Reddy 04-12-2007 04:57 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 

Originally Posted by SloS13
If I was you, I'd decide on the definite turbo you're gonna run before you go welding flanges to anything. That turbo's gonna be too big. I'd look into a t25 or 14b like someone suggested, or maybe an SR20DET T25


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jarebear667 04-15-2007 10:51 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
dont use a fmu your bike is at lik12:1 right? and hits the rev limiter close to 14,500? get somethign to control your fuel keep us posted with pics and videos! :D

dcg9381 04-15-2007 11:05 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
There probably is a good reason why everyone turbo's the big fat 'busa and not the R1.
Doesn't that thing weigh like 390 lbs? I'd hate to have the turbo come on fast riding a bike that's that short and is that light.
Might check out what the hayabusa guys are doing for fuel management...
I 2nd megasquirt as a solution, but you might be able to use it as a piggyback that runs in closed loop to bring you to a correct AFR...

I'm a hayabusa owner, btw... 200hp R1 = nuts.

trenchtractor 09-27-2008 04:22 AM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
I know this is an old topic... but since it's not worth it's own thread, the question was asked and so few people anywhere know about it...

Dynojet offer a 'Hub' that allows the use of additional devices. It's compatible with the PCIII, Ignition Module and can accept inputs from a pressure sensor to adjust for variable boost... It's not that a single PCIII can handle boost, but PCIII + Hub + Ignition Module + Map sensor = Boost variable fuel and ignition curves.

If you add the handle bar mounted switch, you can have dual selectable maps, one for max performance, one for driveability (or economy, or whatever). If you add the LCD, you can have up to 5 maps, all selectable on the fly, as well as displaying all the readings available on your laptop when using the PCIII CCS.

Because you buy each unit individually, it becomes a lot more expensive than a PCIII, but it all simply plugs into your stock loom without modifying anything. Hub is something like $200USD, Ignition module around $400USD... still seems cost effective to me. Prices are from memory and will vary depending on where you buy.

Pdub383426 09-27-2008 04:16 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
On my '06 Yamaha Raptor 700R I run the Moristech unit..... TONS of adjustability, and more than everything needed for boosted applications....

http://www.moristech.com.au/pro-sequ...nterceptor.asp

The Raptor has the same fuel pump as the same year R1's, not sure about ignition, but moristech should have that R1 referenced for turbos already....

warren_teg 09-27-2008 11:15 PM

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Use the AEM FIC. It will work perfect. I use the fic on my 650hp NSX! You should be able to pick one up for 375 and it's half the size of a p28 pcm.

akurtzer57 10-02-2008 05:27 PM

Re: R1 Turbo projekt vs 998cm3
 
Dont go with a 14b it will fall flat on its face and boost will drop of in hight rpms. I am using a T25 of a saab for my 98 gsxr 750. I am not done with setup yet still have to finish intake and tune. I do have a sfmu was thinking of using. All the kits you can buy use them. Also have seen an fuel injector controller. I belive that is if you add an extra set of injectors in the intake. That is the safest way to tune your bike.


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