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well, no matter how many times we tell the newbies to search for answers to their questions, they just don't get it, so noobs, i'm spoon feeding this information to on what you need for a complete turbo kit and some places that you can find these items :P

TURBO- ok, lets start with the basics, you're going to need 1 turbo charger (unless you're whitey, then you need 2)! the turbo is one item in itself, it doesn't include the manifold! usually they come with an internal wastegate already so you don't have to buy a wastegate unless a) your turbo didn't come with one or b) you would rather use an external wg. a lot of common turbo's are t3's off of volvo's, saab's, old turbo mustangs and thunderbirds, and also all turbo's off of dsm's are pretty common for home made set ups. good places to find a used turbo are:

www.ebaymotors.com
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?board=4
www.dsmtrader.com
your local junk yard


used turbo's can range anywhere from about 80 bucks up to around 200 bucks or more. there are many different sizes, trims, a/r's etc. when looking for a turbo, which turbo is best for your application IS UP TO YOU TO FIND OUT BY 'SEARCHING!'.



MANIFOLD- the manifold is the thing that actually bolts to your head where your stock manifold/header was and is what your turbo is connected to.
B series manifolds
The Manifold is one of the key parts to a custom turbokit. Lots of companys are making custom tubular and log manifolds for the import market. It's deciding which one you want. Lots of different styles, some support AC, some are more of a Race design, and some are cheap cast designs. Below is Pics for B-series Turbo Manifolds with the T3 Turbo flange (B16/B17/B18/B20 etc) Some have external wastegate flanges, some don't, some manifolds are cast Iron, some are stainless steel. These manifolds range from $150-$1200

d series manifolds
like the 'b' series, many companies make custom manifold for d series also, but d series guys have one other option also.......The "HF Manifold"
Everyone refers to it as the HF manifold but it came on other cars too. it came on the 88-91 CRX HF. it also came on a 88-91 Civic Std, they are hatchbacks with a 4 speed, vinal interior, and a black panel on the hatch that says 'Civic', (base model) Another car that has them is a 92-95 Civic CX/VX hatch. Newer cars have the precat style manifold like the HF manifolds. But they Pre-cat and manifold are 1 piece. You would have to chop off the cat inorder to use it. all you will need to use this as a turbo manifold is an 'adapter plate' which bolts to the manifold where the cat was and has a bolt pattern on the other side, the same as the turbo you choose to use, then you can just bolt the turbo to the manifold.

places to find manifolds and adapter plates:
www.bmcrace.com (manifolds, adapters, and flanges)
www.rank1racing.com
www.ebaymotors.com
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?board=4
http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html

and many more places, just SEARCH



INTERCOOLER- an intercooler is not neccessary, but is highly reccomended, it cools the air coming from the turbo that goes in to your engine, cooler air equals less chance of detonation (not good) and you can run more boost safely. there are side mount intercoolers (smic) that people ususally tuck up under their wheel well, and there are front mount inter coolers (fmic) that go up front behind your bumper cover. which ever you want is up to you, obviously a frount mount is a little more effective since it gets more air flow, but an smic does a pretty good job also as long as you don't plan on running really high amounts of boost. intercoolers can range from $30-$1000

a few good places to get intercoolers:

www.speedpartsrus.com
www.johnnyracecar.com
www.dsmtrader.com
www.ebaymotors.com
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?board=4
your local junk yard



BLOW OFF VALVE (bov)- a 'bov' is what give you that 'cool' sound you hear when you're changing gears, basically, what it's doing is releasing pressure out of the charge pipes. when you let your foot off the gas and the throttle plate closes, the compressed air from the turbo is still in the charge pipes, if it's not realeased instantly, it will travel stop the turbo from spinning and cause it to spin backwards (compressor surge), you'll know when you hear comp. surge, it a loud fluttering noise. anyways, this limits the turbo's life, and you get really bad lag between gears also. a lot of people use the bov's off of the 1st gen. dsm's, known as the '1g dsm' bov, they are fairly cheap and work excellent. bov's can range from $30-$300

a few places to find a bov:

www.ebaymotors.com
www.dsmtrader.com
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?board=4
your local junk yard


WASTEGATE- the wastegate (wg) is what controls how much boost the turbo pushes to your engine, it opens at a certain psi. and expels the rest of the exhaust gasses (that the turbo uses to spool) to hold it at whatever psi. it's set at. like mentioned if the 1st paragraph, most turbo's come with internal wg's, but if you choose to use an external wg (tial, deltagate, etc.), you have to have a flange to mount it on your manifold, and you have to use a 'block off' flange on the exhaust housing of the turbo where the opening for an internal wg is. wg's can range from $30-$300.

some places to find a wg:

www.ebaymotors.com
www.dsmtrader.com
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?board=4
your local junk yard


CHARGE PIPING- charge piping is the piping that connects the turbo outlet to the intake manifold which the air travels through. if you're not running an intercooler, the pipe only has to go from the turbo outlet on the compressor housing, to the intake manifold and is very simple to run. if you're running an intercooler, the piping has to go from the turbo outlet to the intercooler inlet, then from the intercooler outlet, to the intake manifold. you can buy prefab kits for your car, but they will always need modification because unless you use the exact same manifold, turbo, and intercooler as someone else, you're pipes are going to be different because the placement of these components determines where the pipes go. most people just buy mandrel bends (usually 2 or 2.5") and cut them to fit and put them together themselves. *caution* this does require some creative thinking, please don't hurt yourself! if you're really ghetto, you can use pvc piping, radiator hoses, and or anything else that can withstand fair amounts of heat and pressure.

a few places to find mandrel bends:

www.jcwhitney.com
www.speedpartsrus.com
www.summitracing.com
or a local exhaust shop if you're lucky!



ENGINE MANAGEMENT- ok, you're going to need a way to deliver extra fuel to your car once it leaves vacuum and goes in to boost (more air = need more fuel obviously). there are many ways to go about this and i'm not going to go in to depth, this are requires you to SEARCH extnesively to find out how each works and what's best for your application, i'll will break it down with a 'short' summary of the most common methods.

fmu = a mechanical device that raises fuel pressure per amount of boost that it sees via a vacuum/boost source. very cheap, very unreliable, very primitive, no way to tune, very shitty. good for about 7 psi. 'safely'. not reccomended. price = $60-$100

(s/v)afc 'hack' = this is use in conjuntion with bigger injectors to deliver more fuel, you use the afc to control how much extra fuel the injectors will deliver. pretty expensive and not all that great, it advances timing and unless you use a timing retard device (which is more money spent) you have to manually retard timing at the distributor (dizzy) which causes you to lose bottom end power. a lot better than an fmu, but for the price, there are better alternatives. price = $175-$300 for afc, $40-$75 for 450cc injectors.


uberdata (obd1), turbo edit (obd0), crome (obd1) = programs are available to chip the stock honda ecu and use it as a fully tuneable system that can be compared to a stand alone system. these programs are used in conjunction with larger injectors for boosted applications. there are programs for obd0, obd1. to use an obd1 program on an obd2 vehicle, all you have to do is get an obd1 ecu (obd2 ecu's can't be chipped 'yet') and an obd2 to obd1 conversion harness. best bang for the buck by far! price = depending on your knowledge and resources chipping your ecu can cost $15-$100 and $40-$75 for 450cc injectors.

hodata, aem ems, and other stand alone systems = definitely the best way to go, but cost BIG dollars, if you have the money to spend on that stuff for your first turbo set up, you probably won't be reading this anyways.

information on engine management can be found here:

www.pgmfi.org
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=14497

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/forum/
www.turboedit.org
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=14497


MISC.- miscelaneous items that you will need to complete your turbo kit are:

oil lines- you need an oil line kit that taps in to the back of your block to feed oil to the turbo and then drains back in to your oil pan. price = $75-$100
www.stealthmodeperfomance.com

boost gauge- you may choose to have other gauges as well, but a minimum of a boost gauge is highly reccomended to keep an eye on how much boost you're running. price = $25-$60
www.ebaymotors.com

vacuum line- you'll need plenty of vacuum line to run to all of the extra components (boost gauge, bov, wg) price = $3-$10

couplers and clamps- you will need these to connect your charge piping, you can order the expensive silicone couplers and 't' clamps if you would like, or you can use cut up radiator hose and cheap hose clamps from your local auto parts store. price = $20-$75


that's about it for the basics as of what you will need for a complete basic turbo kit. you still need to SEARCH (not ask question because anything you can think of to ask has already been answered 3 billion times, i promise) to find out how all of these things work together and how to boost your car safely and effectively. some good places to search/read for info. are:

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...;threadid=3921

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerosearch

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo2.htm

so please, newbies, if you didn't get the answers you were looking for in this thread, or from any of the posted links after you SEARCHED, only then should you ask a newbish question, and be sure the first thing you mention at the beginnin of the thread is "i tried searching, but couldn't find what i was looking for", this shows us that you did at least try to find the answer on your own instead of expecting us to just type the same thing over and over every day when we probably already answered your same question a couple hours ago ;)



if anyone has any other USEFUL information or links to add to this, please do! useless chat will be deleted from this thread.

thanks,
your mom

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let me emphasize the fact that USELESS CHAT WILL BE DELETED FROM THIS THREAD

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I found this link/article VERY handy in learning the ropes. http://www.beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/g2icturbo.html

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https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=14497


Put that in the engine management part. Noobs aren't too smart and they'll miss the FAQ unless you smack them in the face with it :-\

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can we add this link to the manifold section because it's not a bad price.
http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html

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This is a DIY oil catch can with a sight tube.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
this is the completed catch can without the flat black spray paint (it's outside drying now)
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
catch can with water tubbing for a water dispenser i installed in my fridge.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
the top
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
inside the cc
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
here's how you install it:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg
or like this:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg


I made this catch can with a 7 inch long 2" id pvc tube.
It cost $1.30 at home depot, they sell it by the foot if you don't wanna buy the 10ft tube they'll cut it for you.
The top and bottom are caps for 2" pvc tube .88 each.
the fittings are the small vacuume fittings for the oil viewer but i had some and didn't feel like buying 90 degree vacuume fittings so i just cut 2 Ts' and plugged the hole with jb weld.
As you can see I drilled a hole at the bottom of the container after I glued the bottom cap to the longer tube with some jb weld, not a whole lot, just a light film around the inside of the cap, not the tube.
Then I measured how much of the clear plastic drinking water tube I needed after I installed and glued the 2 90 deg. fittings. Put glue in the holes you drilled in the pvc tube for the fittings so there's something in there to seal it, and glue around the outside hole too.
For the top I just drilled one hole 3/8" and trimmed it some so the 3/8" to 1/4" T would fit. jb weld that in there too for a good seal.
oh, all I paid for this was .88 x 2 for the caps and 1.30 for the pvc tube. and you can never have too much jb weld so I bought some of that too $3.99 I think it was? :-\ plus the fittings that I already had, along with the hoses that I had.

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Should also list up where to buy supplies if you want to make your own manifold like mcmaster.com for the elbows and t's and what size dia to use and what sch.
Flanges hookups-
BMCrace.com
aaronweir@cogeco.ca
forcedfab.com

Materials(elbows, T's) 1.5" dia sch. 10, 304 stainless other just plain mild steel work fine
McMaster.com

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when you gather all of your ----, go here.


http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1263795

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Removed a sticky to cleanup FI a bit. So far here is our list of common turbos' stock wastegate settings that you may find in a junkyard. If you have more info, bump the old post and I'll add correct info to this page.

Old post: https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...hp?topic=27392

Garrett T3 42/48 - 8psi

Most all chrysler 2.2l turbos w/ the goofy t3 - 5.5psi-6.5

.60/.63 Tbird/meurker/svo - 10psi

RHB5 from the Subaru and Probe - 8psi

84-88 nissan 300z t3 .60ar/.63ex. - 5psi

87-88 rx7 twin scroll turbo - 6.2psi

Mitsu TD04L(WRX) - 7 psi

t25/14b (Mitsu Eclipse) - 8psi

starion 14g Before 1987 - 7psi

starion 1987+ - 11 psi

garret t28 stage 1 - 8.5 psi

garret t28 stage 2 - 10.5psi

garret t28 stage 3 - 15 psi

K26 external - 14psi

Garrett T3 42/48 - 8psi

GReddy 15g (mitsu td04h-15g) - 5.5psi

CT26 (MK3 Supra) - 5psi

TB25 (Garrett, 89 Pontiac Sunbird GT) - 7 psi

IHI VJ20 (JDM Mazda 1.8 GTX) - 8.8 psi

K03 - 4 psi

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THANK YOU! THATS THE RESPONCE I WANTED. I APPRECIATE IT BRO!

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Hey guys i am new to the whole thing well i am going to end up putting a turbo on my 2003 dodge neon and i know its not a civic like ya'lls but i am trying to see since it is still a Mitsubishi motor how would i go the cheapest way of turboing it with home mdae suggestions..lol i mean i am serious what are the basic i mean i need oil lines a charge pipe/Bov manifold,TURBO,intercooler/piping,down pipe,boost gauge,SAFC any thing else i mean i am not into going into the computer because tweaking these new cars is a hassle when doing so so what is the best way of getting around it?

Please guys i not here to get flamed and i am sure ya'll are going to but just some greatly needed advise would be what i need...

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First off....it's not a mitsubishi engine....it is a dodge 2.0l engine.

Secondly.....u say u don't want to be flamed but you go and ask questions about what u need to turbo ur car in a post that tells u abotu everything u need to know about turboing ur car......noobs..........

third....u don't want to "go into your computer because tweaking these cars are a hassle"......uhhh......if you don't tune ur setup....you will blow ur shyt up quick.

n e body else want a peice of this noob.... >:D

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cant get better then this.....

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Very good summary. Has helped me out alot. Thank you! ^-^

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i need all the info i can get

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So what do I need to build my setup? >:D ;) LOL LOL

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ey NOOB i got a 95 chevy tahoe with a tbi(carburator)..i rather turbocharge it then to supercharge it..eventhough i have a carb i could still put a turbo right?

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If you want anyone to answer your question, we have to see pics of this "Throttle Body Injection Carburetor" setup your Tahoe has.

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I don't know why this hasn't been linked to wikipedia yet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger

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HUGE thanks for the writeup. i'm an insane noob who wants to boost my b18b swapped ek and this place helped huge wonders. you might not see many posts from me because i'll just be raping the search button left and right. thanks again for the writeup!

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ON the topic of what was said about the valves hitting the piston it was not caused by stretching and not heat
this is called floating the valves and is what happens when the rpms get to high for the compenents in the valvetrain to remain touching the camshaft and when this happens the valve smacks into the piston which can sound quite nasty
and it does not have to cause a total engine malfunction but you can be sure it is fucked up
if you crack your piston from it or snap your valve though it will cause instant lockup

just my 2 cents on that

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this write up helped me out. for sure I looked mainly to reinforce the knowledge of turbos I already had. But I do have one question. I am looking into building a turbo kit myself, obviously, but I wanna know where I can find a stage 3 t28 turbo. Like which car did it come off of. I wasn't aware there were 3 stages of the t28. Also can I get a boost controller for a turbo with an internal wastegate? or would I need to buy an external wastegate?

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Stages don't mean ----, they are just marketing technique to get you to buy a range of items that are proven to work with eachother, i.e. better manifold, bigger turbo, injectors, etc.

It's just ---- that is for a "higher" power level. If you look at specifications for what your buying, and compressor maps you can figure out what you need for your given power level. You'd want to figure out the CFM for the power level you want.

Just google T28 and see what cars it came on. Google is your friend, it doesn't complain or flame you when you ask n00b questions.

Would that be the GT garrett series?

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I was speaking of the stage 3 T28 he listed in this write up. I just wanna know where to find one. by the way google is my friend but google also comes with a lot of b.s. sites you can dig through before you find what you need. Asking a question on a forum where a bunch of people who have done what you are trying to do 100's of times before seems like a better solution to me. pardon my snappiness. I don't like being treated like a noob. I know quite a bit about cars, but so far my rides have all been n/a. this is my first venture into home making a respectable turbo kit. Last kit I messed with was a t3/t4 kit that went on a crv-vtec in a 95 hatchback.

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Well this particular forum you will get "---- you noob"

It's probably the AirReasearch Volvo T28 if it's a stocker

or the GT baller bearing. You can find a lot of different turbos that will work for your set up. It's been done since the dawn of time, use the HMT search if you want specifically related answers.

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i think this website should go up/. they make some good manifolds. www.spoolinperformance.com

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IHI rhb5 VL4 (alfa romeo 2.0 TD) WG opens @ 1,2 bar

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maybe this thread should be updated with links from our actual sponsers, and with links that work ;)

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how about someone with a more broad knowledge attempt to put up stock injectors and flow rates form various vehicles. i could do a few, but im talking on the scale of what ol guy did with the stock turbos and stock w/g settings. that would be very beneficial to alot of people.

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Wow thats a very simplified break down. I've been lurking a little while and I am shocked people even had that type of question (you could have figured out most of that stuff from reading www.howstuffworks.com). My noob question I guess is a little more involved than the stuff the OP went over.

I am still baffled by turbo maps and how to read them, also the I could use some clarification on the A/R ratio. I know it effects how fast the turbo spools but I'de like to get some more info.

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http://www.enginelogics.com/cmaps.html

Area of the exhaust inlet over the radius of the exhaust housing (from center of turbine to center of exhaust inlet).

Think about what happens to a gaseous fluid that moves from a large port to a smaller port gradually.

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ok

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Anyone have a detailed write-up like this for a 1994 civic hatchback? This will be my very first install so I need as much info as possible. Thanks

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Tayeule!

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---- you faggot. Go back to being forcefed cocks while watching a gang of negro urinate in your mother's anus.

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here is just that for toyota injectors:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...Injectors.html

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i was reading about tuning.. what is an ostirch? or how ever you spell it...and what do people mean by "burning a chip"?? i want to run crome on my jdm dohc zc motor, but it uses obd0 and idk tooo much about all that...maybe someone can help me out?


any info would be appreciated...thanx

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pgmfi.org


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