Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

Hey just some parts i'm considering to buy and i want to make sure its all good before i spend too much
this is a d16z6

i dont want too much power will be happy with 170 hp at 6-7psi

T3 60a/r fortysomething/60 turbo wtaercooled internal gated at 6psi

rank1racing manifold with t3flange, not the extended lenght medusa one, just the log one that is pretty nice, the middle priced one i think $285

johnnyracecar 6 inch intercooler

turboxs bov

oil feed kit from that streetperformance shop

oil return kit from the same shop

vortech fmu

255 wahlbro fuel pump

420-450 cc dsm injectors

some kind of fpr

manual boost controller and boost gauge

miscellanues clamps, vaccum hoses, and check valve

and cutom 2.5 downpipe and custom ic pipes



QUESTIONS:

How good is the rank1racing manifold?

for the down pipe do i need ot buy a t3 flange and take that to the shop??

for the ic piping do i just take the car to the shop??

finally what kind of gaskets do i need and how do i install them, for instance i am sure that you need a gasket where the turbo meet manifold???

THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT I AM BUYING I AM NOT GETTING A SINGLE MORE THING AM I GOOD TO GO????


thanks for all the help

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

This should work good for you

a little overkill for your power needs. if u plan to go more later then this is good, otherwise save money and get a Hf mani w/ adapter plate

johnnyracecar 6 inch intercooler

again, could save money.. 1g DSM BOV.

how much? stealthmode kit might be cheaper, plus his da pimp y0.

you were doin great until here. you have 2 different types of "additional fuel" here.

FMU and larger injectors are a no no. thats TOO much.

you could go w/ FMU and 255 pump and call it a day (so so reliable)
or
450cc DSM injectors w/ the AFC hack (VAFC)
or
450cc DSM w/ uberdata

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thanks for taking the time to answer,

as far as the manifold do you think the hf will be enough?? i'm sure one day i will want to upgrade

and as far as fuel goes, i was always told to go uberdata or mad expensive tuning(hondata) first off i am in no way capable of dealing with uberdata, i have never soldered a chip in my life, and even if i could i would never be able to mess with the numbers, i would be way too worried

and as far as the afc hack i hear all of these rumors that its inferior (its also more expensive for me than an fmu)

what would you suggest i do then since uberdata is out of the question? afc or fmu?

thanks again

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fmu=poop

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I agree, everything looks good except for the fmu but it'll be ok if it's temporary. People only use to use since there was no such thing as uberdata/turboedit.

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

well if u wanna go w/ the FMU we cant stop u.. it's the easiest way, but also the most dangerous way..

all you need to run an fmu is the Fmu and a replacement pump. like the 255 u mention. NO injectors whatsoever

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yes you can stop me lol

i will take your advice over my ASSumptions anyday,

i was just under the misconception that fmu and afc hack did the same job (cheap price for cheap security)

i guess i'm going afc

are there any Ny shops or people you know of who have experience with uberdata? because i would rather do it right the first time

how much do you think i should pay this person in order to solder my ecu and do mild tuning? also should i run any extra fuel with uberdata aka injectors fuel pump, both????

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i personally dont know of any NY tuners...

for the AFC you need....

1. the AFC, get a VAFC since u've got a vtec motor, u can adjust vtec point with it.

2. 450cc DSM injectors

3. resistor box OR 4 10watt10ohm resistors from radio shack

thats it ;)

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

Thanks for all the comments

one last berzerker barrage of questions lol

is an fpr the same thing as an fmu?

If it is not then how does the Fuel Pressure regulator come in with regards to the vafc??

Do i even need an fpr??

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

A fuel pressure regulator is different than a fuel management unit. A regulator only adjusts the set psi of fuel.(stock is around 40) A fuel management unit adjust the fuel pressure, but at a riseing rate as boost comes on. The probablem with that is when you boost theres a lean spot where the boost causes the pressure to increase. It needs an amount of boost (1-3 psi or so) to tell it to increase pressure, and once your pushing 1-3 psi into your moto it starts to lean out. You wouldnt need a fmu on a chipped or hacked ecu.




Sean

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

the big problem with an fmu is also the fact that you are running astronomical fuel pressures with any boost over like 5 psi

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

with the vafc hack i'm going to run 450cc injectors, so will i need the extra fuel pressure that and fpr offers???

basically will i need an fpr if i have the injectors with the afc hack?

sorry for my lack of knowledge

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

no you won't need a fpr, but you'll need the walboro 255 cause the 450s are gonna overwork your stock pump.

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

oic

does anyone know the size of the exit hole on my block that gets connected to the oil feed line is?? because i heard that if lets say the hole is 1/2inch and my feedline's inner diameter is less than that then i could be screwed?

THANKS FOR ALL OF THE GREAT INFO EVERYONE

i have learned a lot just from this post and i would give you guys a round of beer if i could

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

What if a FMU is used on a car that uses a MAF to meter air instead of a MAP, the MAF should beable to meter the incresed air to a certain point while boost starts to build, say 1-2psi or so, right? So then there would'nt be a lean spot? (but still the high fuel pressure to worry about.)

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

not really, stock fuel pumps can supprt quite a bit of power at stock fuel pressures. the 255 is a good safety measure though

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

T3 60a/r fortysomething/60 turbo wtaercooled internal gated at 6psi
-just get a 42/48, abundant and easy to come by. A 60/48 would be great though or a 60/63

rank1racing manifold with t3flange, not the extended lenght medusa one, just the log one that is pretty nice, the middle priced one i think $285
-His manifolds are nice, but I say since you are just 7psi'ing this thing, buy an HF manifold and an adapter plate. Should only be like 80 bucks total.


johnnyracecar 6 inch intercooler
-nice. it's fairly priced and fair quality, if you wanna pay a liitle more for better quality, get a custom coach, but the johnnyracecar will do fine.


turboxs bov
-nice if you have the money, but a DSM 1st gen would be cheaper.

oil feed kit from that streetperformance shop
-buy the oil feed and drain from stealthmode. Nice kit.


oil return kit from the same shop
-read above


vortech fmu
-boo


255 wahlbro fuel pump
-nice


420-450 cc dsm injectors
-450cc is primo


some kind of fpr
-boo


manual boost controller and boost gauge
-manuel boost controller may not be too necessary since you don't plan on boosting too much, just adjust the aculator to adjust the boost. And a boost guage is a definite must.


miscellanues clamps, vaccum hoses, and check valve
-yeah you are gonna need those except for the check valves


and cutom 2.5 downpipe and custom ic pipes
-you will need both



QUESTIONS:

How good is the rank1racing manifold?
-nice, but I say do HF


for the down pipe do i need ot buy a t3 flange and take that to the shop??
-if you don't have that liitle housing, buy one from a saab and just weld the dp to that, or you could be fancy and get a flange to mat it up to.


for the ic piping do i just take the car to the shop??
-you could cut it up yourself or go to a muffler shop and have them bend you some. Or if you don't mind ghettoness, go to an auto supply store and get some of that flexible tubing and do it yourself, cheap and it will get the job done. And you won't have to pay bullshit labor fees.


finally what kind of gaskets do i need and how do i install them, for instance i am sure that you need a gasket where the turbo meet manifold???
-gasket for where the turbo meets the manifold, yeah it'd be nice, look on eBay it's a T3 gasket. If you go HF manifold like I suggest, if it doesn't already come with the gasket, buy an HF gasket.


THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT I AM BUYING I AM NOT GETTING A SINGLE MORE THING AM I GOOD TO GO????
-for management use either a VAFC or if you are OBD1 uberdata. I say use VAFC first though, then do uberdata later, when you are more familiar with it.
-you will also need some injector seals to mod so you can use the DSM injectors.

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thanks again for the replies,

why wouldnt i need the check valves, how else can i not throw cel's??????

and is the t3 gasket where the manifold meets turbo the only gasket i need??????how about the downpipe??? or anything else

and whats the difference between the safc, vafc, and vafc II???

i know the vtec controllers can change vtec changeovers but why would i want to mess with vtec changeovers, if when honda engineered the car they designed to turn on during the most optimal moment???????

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Read the FAQ and the writeups by TurboEF9 in the engine management section. This will answer all your fuel management questions. ;)

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honda engineered vtec to kick in at the optimal moment for joe schmoe the commuter. on a stock engine though you really dont get much but the more power you have the more gains you can get by lowering your vtec actuation point.

as far as the difference between s-afc, v-afc, and the II versions of each, the s-afc is for non vtec cars, the v-afc is for vtec cars, and the II versions are simply newer and better, they give you more fuel adjustment points, look sexier, and probably have other things i dont know about that are good and different from their predecessers

the way i see it anywhere you have metal bolted to metal you should need a gasket... ie- block to mani-mani to adapter plate-adapter plate to turbo-turbo to dp, etc. but i might be wrong. not sure about gaskets around the adapter plate.

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hey i just read turbo ef's engine management faq and i came accross this

"To compensate for this advance in timing, some of used a BTM (Boost Timing Master), retarded their static ignition timing at the distributor, or even chipped thier ECU and modified the ignition table itself"

are these the only way to compensate for the timing, are there faqs or instructions on how to properly retard timing at the dizzy????

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

if your looking for only 6-7psi 170whp like I am get the t25, it spools up quicker than the t3.

Re:Noob needs an ok on turbo setup please
 

T3 would be better because an upgraded unit will bolt right on and he will have more choices. Chip your ECU. Do the research, you will love. My first turbo is the setup I have now and I am glad I took the time to learn Uberdata and how to chip.