ngk wideband kit
 

ngk wideband, has anyone used this? or heard good or bad things about it?
here is a link
http://www.ngk.com/more_info.asp?AAIA=&pid=20509
thanks

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dude its made buy NGK/NTK... you cant get much better...

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Ive considered the same kit. For $220 shipped you cant beat the price

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Aaron @ TruDYNO Sports, my favorite dyno shop ever ever ever, recently bought one to try out and loves it. We were killing his Innovate LM-1 with rich misfires, causing it to blank out for a second, but the NGK unit kept reading and didn't hiccough. Good stuff.

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It's bad ass, better than the AEM one.

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how do you figure, i am not disagreeing just curious how you came to that conclusion

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Where do you see $220, cool? I see $295.


JP

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ebay man 219$ shipped all day

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Both AEM units I touched were .75 off.

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Yup EBAY baby..... ill be picking one up with my tax return

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had mine for a little over 5 months. so far no problems using it everyday, its a solid unit.

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I've been using zeitronix with display ever since I've been boosted I use it as my primary sensor on daily driving, no problem, I fried the unit because of bad wiring and they replaced it for free.

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Had the AEM before and it always gave faulty readings

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Im planning on picking one up to leave in the car permanently as my LM1 is more for tuning only.You cant go wrong with NGK.

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Be nice if I could buy it without the sensor as I have 2 of them and I bet that is 1/2 the cost of the kit.

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so for 219 shipped it comes with the sensor and the monitor.

damn, i am definatly picking one up.

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the kits actually ship with a bosch sensor with a ntk plug on it from my understanding.

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Also from what I read the replacement ones are $40ish

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Well then rule that idea out.

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Reasons why I dont like them:

1) You buy an NGK/NTK Wideband, you expect to get an NTK sensor with the unit right? Nope, they are too expensive...even for them (the company that makes them) so in order to undercut everyone else out there they use an NTK plug with a Bosch sensor. So when your Bosch does go out on you, you need to buy a $150 NTK sensor as the replacement...they made it this way to sell replacement sensors...no other reason.

2) 0-5v output is linear but non configurable. Effective range is 9.0 AFRs to 16.0 AFRs, gasoline only...not configurable for other types of fuel. 0v = 9.0 AFRs and 5v = 16.0 AFRs...so when you go to tune with a stock Honda ECU (without the 0-5v mod) you can only read to 3.13v which is about 13.4 AFRs. If you wanted to tune leaner than 16.0...then you are SOL. Getting near the edge of any 0-5v signal always leaves room for error too.

Sure, its a good cheap wideband, but for my money there are better solutions for the same price.

IE, Innovate LC-1 with the Moates O-Meter Display...I could sell them all day long the prices these NGK Units go for...especially to my HMT brethren.

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Makes you wonder why anybody looks for other alternatives.

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Im interested, what is the Moates O-Meter Display? And if you can do the LC-1 the disp;ay and a sensor for $219 shipped id really be interested.

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o o o o http://www.moates.net/zips/ometer_1.mpg

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LOL.


JP

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Thanks.... let talk if you can price near the AXF range count me in for one.

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no kidding id buy one this week...

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You guys find me the cheapest price you can find the NGK Unit NEW and from an actual business and I will set my price for HMT at that level ;)

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sounds like a challange. lol

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Nice :y

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If I bought the LC-1 + 0-Meter combo from you straight up it would be $262 shipped.

The NGK/AFX is $234 + $7.50 shipping from Ballenger Motorsports, hell they even had them on sale right at the New Year for $229. Can you match that? Say $240 shipped?

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I've got the ngk kit..got it off ebay quite awhile back for like $214 shipped..i like it..never had issues with it..does what i need..now ive had issues with BRE...not the wideband..but thats a different thing..but yeah i like it

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---- the rest of em, go with Zeitornix all the way. You get datalogging and multiple inputs for various sensors, but the most important part is that you get rpm based reading on your data logs so you can actually figured out what was going on and when. Other systems either don't have this, or you have to buy their add ons ie AEM Euego controller but you have to be running the AEM system as well.

Zeitronix is ground up and good ----. Plus I think they gangbang Ms Hotrex.

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Sure, give me a link and I will match :)

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Zeitronix has a non-linear voltage output...why, who the ---- knows, but its annoying. They are just another Innovate wannabe clone.

At $279, I can match that with the LC-1 (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php) coupled with the SSI-4 (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/ssi_4.php) which will do all of the same logging stuff as the Zeitronix.

Then Zeitronix adds the display for another $120...I can obviously beat that using the Moates O-Meter as a display.

So for $340 you have everything from Innovate, that your Zeitronix unit offers...plus more versatility. :6

Plus Klatinn (Innovate Engineer) has offered to add the Honda Datalogging protocol to Log Works if someone gives him the info, which would be absolutely killer...

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Sure!

$240 shipped...all day long :)

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sent money for mine! THANKS!

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you say that you can only replace the sensor with the $150 sensor but when reading the desc. of the wideband it says "It is compatible with both leading brands of wideband sensors without any changes in hardware or need for re-programming. Just a simple recalibration and you’re ready to go."

will it not support the less expensive sensor?

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to canada too.

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it supports both sensors...but it only uses the NTK plug. So if you go buy a normal Bosch sensor at a dealer or what not, you have to cut off the plug and rewire for the NTK plug.

There are places that sell the Bosch unit with the NTK plug, but obviously it is more expensive that way.

Similar to how AEM does it with their EUGO...they give you a standard BOSCH o2, but they use there own plug so that when you go to buy a replacement, you can only get it from them or their dealers unless you want to cut off the plug and do the wiring yourself.