New School Vs Old School
04-20-2008, 03:26 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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New School Vs Old School
Howdy all. Let me get to the point.
I am from the old school trail of thought. old car,light body, small cc's(14-1600cc),Huge Turbo, Massive Intercooler,Big Exhaust, and i have been racing alot of these new school car's (Bigger CC's 2000cc 4cyl / 2500 5cyl turbo) all the mods they run upgrade exhaust, airlfilter, chip/Remapped Software and there cars are pushing out very good numbers but more to the point they out accelerat me /open such a big gap i cant close it over a quatermile, i thought i would catch them on the half mile also but that didnt happen either
So what is the story now? or am i just beeing out classed by the bigger cc's?.
attached are some Power figures for cars that are 2007/8 . Even one of me crew with a 400bhp calibra turbo(t61) got beat buy one of these New school kids with daddy's money(and he running low 13's)
Or is his power coming into LATE?
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...ntake.JPG.html
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...FRFRC.JPG.html
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...Experience.JPG
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...hpFRC.JPG.html
all these above figures are OTW, and they are the ones who are most competitive on the street at the moment and as per the Links you can see they are running standerd turbo's.
How do i smake these ******* to the kerb?
So its pretty much a debate about this Vs this
VS
Both cars are making the same power but Usable power is winning the races...so much for peak power right...
I am from the old school trail of thought. old car,light body, small cc's(14-1600cc),Huge Turbo, Massive Intercooler,Big Exhaust, and i have been racing alot of these new school car's (Bigger CC's 2000cc 4cyl / 2500 5cyl turbo) all the mods they run upgrade exhaust, airlfilter, chip/Remapped Software and there cars are pushing out very good numbers but more to the point they out accelerat me /open such a big gap i cant close it over a quatermile, i thought i would catch them on the half mile also but that didnt happen either
So what is the story now? or am i just beeing out classed by the bigger cc's?.
attached are some Power figures for cars that are 2007/8 . Even one of me crew with a 400bhp calibra turbo(t61) got beat buy one of these New school kids with daddy's money(and he running low 13's)
Or is his power coming into LATE?
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...ntake.JPG.html
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...FRFRC.JPG.html
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...Experience.JPG
http://www.frieling-racing.co.za/gal...hpFRC.JPG.html
all these above figures are OTW, and they are the ones who are most competitive on the street at the moment and as per the Links you can see they are running standerd turbo's.
How do i smake these ******* to the kerb?
So its pretty much a debate about this Vs this
VS
Both cars are making the same power but Usable power is winning the races...so much for peak power right...
04-20-2008, 03:33 AM
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Re: New School Vs Old School
What the ---- are you asking?
Yes you can get more power from an inherently bigger engine. No you can't magic more air into your tiny piece of ---- engine, you running 10psi isn't going to be the same as the bigger displacement engine sucking down 10psi worth of air, as well as probably having a more efficiently sized (larger) turbo charger because there's more air to turn it.
There is no replacement for displacement.
Don't start yammering about how psi is worthless and you should be talking in CFM, the flow of your motor is directly proportional to the amount of air it displaces, efficiently filling the cylinder will let you flow a higher volume of air at a slower pace but that still doesn't make up for the fact that you have a **** small engine.
Yes you can get more power from an inherently bigger engine. No you can't magic more air into your tiny piece of ---- engine, you running 10psi isn't going to be the same as the bigger displacement engine sucking down 10psi worth of air, as well as probably having a more efficiently sized (larger) turbo charger because there's more air to turn it.
There is no replacement for displacement.
Don't start yammering about how psi is worthless and you should be talking in CFM, the flow of your motor is directly proportional to the amount of air it displaces, efficiently filling the cylinder will let you flow a higher volume of air at a slower pace but that still doesn't make up for the fact that you have a **** small engine.
04-20-2008, 06:26 AM
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Re: New School Vs Old School
thats like asking why your turbo riding mower gets beat by (insert large displacement n/a 4cyl car here).
more cubes, more potential. more cubes more torque. more torque, more usable power (since peak tq occurs before 5252). get it? thats why an identically built (as identical as you can get anway) v8 will out run a 4cyl and v6, and on and on
more cubes, more potential. more cubes more torque. more torque, more usable power (since peak tq occurs before 5252). get it? thats why an identically built (as identical as you can get anway) v8 will out run a 4cyl and v6, and on and on
04-20-2008, 06:29 AM
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Re: New School Vs Old School
and why is it "old school" to run a huge turbo on a tiny engine? why would you run a something like a hx50 on a 1.5L unless it turns 15,000 rpms its useless. your guy with the calibra needs to take a ------- class, as do you. stick around and lurk and pay attention, you may learn ALOT. 
04-20-2008, 12:40 PM
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Re: New School Vs Old School
Originally Posted by wafflesincars
This latest wave of noobs makes me want to go on a firing rampage. Seriously sometimes I wish I had an unclipped MAC-10 at all times.
. BTW to the OP sometimes "power" is over rate; case in point is on the front page. 
