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B16Drag 05-13-2005 01:06 AM

NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
I'm trying to help out a friend who is boosting his Neon... No its not an SRT-4. I'm not too familiar with the who Neon ecu deal or fuel management. Does anyone know whats the best fuel management for a boosted Neon? Any help is appreciated...

Thanks.

sohc_mshue 05-13-2005 01:43 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
What about megasquirt? Do any neon guys use that?

95civic 05-13-2005 01:55 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
Theres always the fmu. I seen a local kid run 5psi on just a fmu in a double cam neon.

racepak 05-13-2005 06:40 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
i think that the cavalier and the neon ecu's are the same. am i right?

B16Drag 05-13-2005 09:34 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
Im not certain. I have lots of reading to do about it. Well FMU isnt the best on forged internals and defateinly above 7psi of boost.

sohc_mshue 05-13-2005 01:02 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 

Originally Posted by 95civic
Theres always the fmu. I seen a local kid run 5psi on just a fmu in a double cam neon.

No the fmu is out of the question. They suck and i don't understand why anybody would want to use one nowadays with all the other options out there.

fusion210 05-14-2005 04:31 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 

Originally Posted by sohc_mshue

Originally Posted by 95civic
Theres always the fmu. I seen a local kid run 5psi on just a fmu in a double cam neon.

No the fmu is out of the question. They suck and i don't understand why anybody would want to use one nowadays with all the other options out there.

And what other options are there exactly for the neon? ::) we don't have a lot of cool stuff to play with (sans srt-4 based stuff)

Neon guys have been using a rising rate fuel pressure regulator combined with a modded fuel pump for years. aka the spoolboy mod.
http://www.fwdmopar.com/sites/dennis/PLfuelmods.html

And there is megasquirt. A few neon guys are using it with success. Do a search on neons.org
http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=205510

The portfueler is pretty new. http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/en...0injectors.htm
And that's it.

Personally, I would try and get the megasquirt working. It's my plan for this year.

R-MAK 05-14-2005 04:51 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
i know there is a way to re calibrate the ecu and something about running a wire for a circuit dump or some ----. its 5am, and i dont knwo what im taljking about cause whiskey is teh roxors.

fusion210 05-14-2005 11:43 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 

Originally Posted by Travis
i know there is a way to re calibrate the ecu and something about running a wire for a circuit dump or some ----. its 5am, and i dont knwo what im taljking about cause whiskey is teh roxors.

:o :o :o :o :o

B16Drag 05-14-2005 01:13 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
I was doing a search on neons.org earlier... I dunno my friend said he bought some $500 ecu and it was supposed to fuel management for boost, but I havent dont enough research on this...


fork 05-14-2005 05:49 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
Do what jeff did on the turbo kia. use check valves for the map and get a stand alone injector controller to use only under boost with aditional injectors. I don't undeerstnad why people don't do this mre, its not that complicated, maybe the injector controler s expensive?

stillnoturbo 05-14-2005 06:22 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
SAFC maybe?

95civic 05-14-2005 07:24 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
plenty of turbo kits come with fmu's and many cars run them . I used one for half a year at 5psi with no problems

boosted_hatch_216 05-14-2005 09:43 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
cant u take the ecu to the dodge dealer and have them burn you a new map or something like that. i had a friend who had a fully built neon that was all motor and he had it done that way. but he said there was some sort of aftermarket ecu he couldve also used but i dont recall if he said it was tuneable with a laptop or how you used it.

fusion210 05-14-2005 11:29 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 

Originally Posted by boosted_hatch_216
cant u take the ecu to the dodge dealer and have them burn you a new map or something like that. i had a friend who had a fully built neon that was all motor and he had it done that way. but he said there was some sort of aftermarket ecu he couldve also used but i dont recall if he said it was tuneable with a laptop or how you used it.

No, the dodge dealership can only update the pcm.
You can get the mopar pcm which adds a higher rev limit, more spark advance, doesn't look for egr....
Or the af/x, which adds an even higher rev limit, no egr, no downstream o2, desensitized knock sensor, blah blah blah

Neither good for turbo, they lean out the a/f and add timing.

The neon pcm can only use a 1 bar map sensor, ie -14.7psi to vaccum. No boost for the neon pcm.
The srt and pt cruiser turbo pcms are totally different, and set up for the 2003+ 2.4l blocks which use a crankshaft sensor in a different spot, and the pattern is not the same. So they're a no go unless you have a 2003+ block.

Neon people don't have massive problems with fmus, and using a afc is the worst bandaid ever.

ososlohatch 05-15-2005 11:07 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
safc work like ---- on 420a's ..if it is a 420a ... 2.0 dohc ... id go with dsmtuners.com and see what the non turbo eclipse and talon owners are doing... also 2gnt.com is a good 420a website (my buddy owned a n-t eclipse that why i know this ----)

Dibble 05-15-2005 05:13 PM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
E-nutmanage :D

fusion210 05-16-2005 02:22 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 

Originally Posted by ososlohatch
safc work like ---- on 420a's ..if it is a 420a ... 2.0 dohc ... id go with dsmtuners.com and see what the non turbo eclipse and talon owners are doing... also 2gnt.com is a good 420a website (my buddy owned a n-t eclipse that why i know this ----)

Yeah, I think I forgot to add that. Good call. :)

FURACERMAN 05-16-2005 05:42 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
AEM...Any high power neon I've seen has had some sort of aftermarket EMU.

B16Drag 05-16-2005 09:31 AM

Re: NEON Turbo Fuel Management ?
 
He said he bought a Mopar ECU that apparently "tunes itself" Not exactly sure and never really heard of it... It did put him out $500 so I have no idea. I doubt it but I dunno...


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