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shadetree 01-29-2005 12:57 PM

My junkyard turbo install
 
Hey. I've a 90 rt4wd wagon. I beat the ---- out of it on dirt roads. I boosted it awhile ago. I'm pulling it apart to fix several issues: blown headgasket, cooling system, pcv system. I'm also taking out the power steering and charcoal canister(I did it, but the pics are before I did it).

I took a bunch of pics while I have the piecer apart.

http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo01.jpg
hf mani, adaptor plate, 14b turbo.
Stainless oil line, to a T ziptied to firewall, to stainless line looped to block. I ditched the stock oil sensor, and another stainless line goes to a autometer oil pressure gauge.

http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo02.jpg
I have a full 2.5" exhaust. I think the downpipe is pretty damn sexy. Terry at Turbo Terry's in Bellingham, WA gets the credit for the exhaust and charge pipes. I drove it in open dp, NA, but with turbo and fuel all hooked up. I got the downpipe flange from roadraceengineering, and it is beefcake. Autometer EGT probe.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo03.jpg
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo04.jpg
Catco 2.5" Catalytic converter, 2.5" magnaflow(9X14" I think?)
Flexpipe. No flanges or gaskets. It's a pain to drop it( you have to drop the crossmember), but no leaks and less weight.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo08.jpg
Charge pipe routing. DSM 1g BOV. 2" piping. There's a dsm side mount intercooler in front of the pass wheel. I forgot to take a pic. It fits really nice. I had to hack some sheet metal to get it to fit right. I didn't take a pic of the turbo to IC charge pipe either. From the turgo, it goes up, 75 degree bend, parallel to the top of the radiator, 75 deg bend, down to the IC. You can barely see the IC coupler right by the unattached rad hose.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo5_001.jpg
oil pan
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo6_001.jpg
My friend Steve welded this bung on for me. Looks pretty good.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo4_001.jpg
FMU:o I'm gonna get 450 injectors, a walbrough fuel pump, and chip the ECU with turboedit soon, though.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo09.jpg
Gauges in the glove box. Boost, EGT, Oil press.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album29/turbo10.jpg
My rims.

So the imediate plans are Z6 metal headgasket, ARP headstuds. I'm kinda tempted to find a Y8 intake mani, and maybe LS throttle body.

92-95 automatic civic radiator. Halfsize, dual core. The turbo smacks into the stock one. I originally tapped into the coolant at the throttle body and ran it to the turbo and back. I found that the lines are kinked, so I'm jettisoning that idea. No water to turbo, just oil.
I'd also like to get a after market crossmember. I had to dent the crap out of it to get the turbo and down pipe to fit. Under load the wastegate smacks into it. Not sweet. I don't really like the idea of cutting it, and making the car weaker as I add power. Also the 92-95 rad is taller that the EF's. So you either need to cut the hood or the crossmember. I"m gonna take a welding class at the technical school. Maybe cutting and reinforcing the CM will be my project.

I had the PCV and valve cover breather going to a catchcan with a little filter on top.. under boost, you'd get heavy blowby fumes in the car. No good. Now that the power steering is out, I've got room to run a little elbow for the air filter, with a steel pipe with a little bung on it, that I'm going attached the pcv line to. This way the pcv will ALWAYS see vacuum, and the harder the load the more vacuum, which is supposed to help the piston rings seal better. And, no more gas and oil fumes!

I'm keeping the power steering rack, and am going to loop the lines with a little open reservoir.

I'll update this with more pics a I get to it. When I get I back together, I'll get some pics out in the sun. Maybe an action shot or two.


SpankedYA! 01-29-2005 01:02 PM

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Good stuff keep updating please.

oxsleeperxo 01-29-2005 01:18 PM

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that is a badass gauge holder, how did u cut a perfect circle on the license plate?

crx2fast 01-29-2005 01:25 PM

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Leed will appreciate this. looks real good
i'm lovin the gauge holder.. haha :D

shadetree 01-29-2005 01:44 PM

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Thanks, guys. I kind of want to build the most badass 4wd civic wagon, IN THE WORLD. Not really too unattainable, considering hardly anyone hooks them up.


Originally Posted by oxsleeperxo
that is a badass gauge holder, how did u cut a perfect circle on the license plate?

Fine tooth hole saw. Cost like $7.

Gotta represent NY! In WA, people do not know how to handle traffic. Seattle is ridiculous. Vancouver, B.C. is the worst. Traffic is so slow, yet people leave so much room between cars? I don't get it.
I surgically disect that ----. Find the holes.
It used to drive me nuts.
"Buddy, you're in the passing lane, and you're not passing anybody!"
I'm definitely mellowing out, now that I've been out here 5 years. Last time I drove in NY, I was like "whoa, the roads are so narrow, and everybody is going so fast, and everybody is so close together! I'm a'skerd!"

About Vancouver: You know the "bad driver" stereotypes:
Women.
Asians.
Old People.

Vancouver is full of the "trifecta bad driver" Old,asian, women. You just cannot count on the person in front of you on an onramp, to actually merge. I have almost rearended retards a couple of times, when I'm looking over my shoulder for holes in traffic to merge to, and they are braking to a complete stop! WTF! Onramps are for merging, not parking!

Sorry, rambling. Got a li'l carried away.

chu77 01-29-2005 04:01 PM

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hey when does the 14b stop boost at and when does it start?

95civic 01-29-2005 04:03 PM

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sweet nice setup ;D

Fulcrum 01-29-2005 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oxsleeperxo
that is a badass gauge holder, how did u cut a perfect circle on the license plate?

I used a hole saw and drill press to cut the holes for the gauge cluster in my old ride.

topspeed 01-29-2005 05:00 PM

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did you make your own oil line? or was it a kit? how much did it cost you?

Honda16hb 01-29-2005 05:48 PM

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mad sicc y0. puts my ---- to shame, except I have 450s and uberdata, that's my only redemption.

turboboy 01-29-2005 05:59 PM

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nice setup, but hooking a line up to the pipe off the turbo for the filter will not give you vacuum like you want for your pcv :-\

shadetree 01-29-2005 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
nice setup, but hooking a line up to the pipe off the turbo for the filter will not give you vacuum like you want for your pcv :-\

Yes it will. Think about it. Where does the valve cover breather go, stock? Intake pipe.

That pipe will alway see vacuum. The harder you run the car, the harder it sucks.

Look at how stock turbo cars run their PCV.... it goes to the air filter pipe.

turboboy 01-29-2005 06:07 PM

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you said you wanted vacuum, which is only present behind the tb, try tapping into your charge/intake pipe for your bov and see what happens...nothing :-\...i always just unhooked the pcv system, but if you want vacuum like you said for yours, find another source. There might be a tiny amount of negative pressure right there from the air rushing by into the turbo, but if youre really looking for a "vacuum" source, thats not it

shadetree 01-29-2005 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
you said you wanted vacuum, which is only present behind the tb, try tapping into your charge/intake pipe for your bov and see what happens...nothing :-\...

Vacuum is only present behind the TB? I disagree.

In a NA car, whenever the TB is open, the intake pipe is seeing vaccum. Hook up a vac/boost gauge to the inlet on a NA car's intake pipe and see for yourself.

Whenever the TB is open, the intake is seeing the same vacuum as the IM is.

Now let's think about turbo cars. The charge piping sees the same boost/vacuum as the IM does when the TB is open.
The air filter intake sees vacuum, always.

When the TB is closed, that's another story. You're example of BOV doesn't really relate, because the BOV only opens when the TB closes after boosting(when the IM sees AP right after boost)

Use the waste gate as an example: lots of people hook their wastegates up to their charge pipes(including me). The intake piping sees the same boost as the IM does.

Dude, take off your air filter and hold your hand on the intake pipe. Now tell me it's not seeing vacuum.

Or just look under the hood of a porsche 911tt, 300zx, WRX, pretty much any stock turbo car, and see how their PCV system is run.
btw thanks for the spell check. I always forget, 2 C's or 2 U's. Wierd word.

topspeed 01-29-2005 08:25 PM

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so yeah about the oil lines?

Spenser 01-29-2005 08:30 PM

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------- sweet man, are you in vancuver? wana trade? I wan't your car, will you sell it? I don't even need or want the turbo kit. I have a turbo ZC honda civic hatch that I"ll also offer up for trade. :)

shadetree 01-29-2005 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by topspeed
so yeah about the oil lines?

My bad.

I got the BSP to NPT adaptor thingie that goes in the block where the oil sensor was from McMasterCarr. Everything else I got locally, at Western Fluid Dynamics. They made all the hoses to length, had everything in stock. I was in a rush.

I can't remember how much it all cost. More than what Stealthmode sells his kits for. If I had to do it again, I'd just buy his kit.

shadetree 01-29-2005 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spenser
------- sweet man, are you in vancuver? wana trade? I wan't your car, will you sell it? I don't even need or want the turbo kit. I have a turbo ZC honda civic hatch that I"ll also offer up for trade. :)

I'm in bellingham. I used to live in Van for a little while though. I go up there to visit my boys and ride bikes pretty frequently.

If you saw my car, you wouldn't want it. All the clear is peeled off the hood. Lots of dents. I got a little loose with it, and put it in a ditch. It's ugly.

Spenser 01-29-2005 08:38 PM

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no dude, I want it. as long as the body is straight and the inner fenders wells aren't completely rusted out I want it. I"ve been looking for a wagovan with RT4WD for 2 years

RENR 01-29-2005 11:27 PM

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wow looks like a clean setup. whats up with a pic of the whole car....

Honda16hb 01-29-2005 11:46 PM

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hook up a vacuum gauge to your intake piping before the tb and one to the im, the im will be seeing more vacuum, that's a fact. why is this? the tb is closed, little air is getting in, the engine is sucking in air causing vacuum in the intake manifold, there isn't as much vacuum in the intake piping because the intake manifold isn't getting much air from the intake piping.

5thgencivickid 01-29-2005 11:47 PM

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nice set up!

juli0_bustamante 01-30-2005 02:02 AM

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man thats nice! I have an LS throttle body for sale mang!

topspeed 01-30-2005 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spenser
no dude, I want it. as long as the body is straight and the inner fenders wells aren't completely rusted out I want it. I"ve been looking for a wagovan with RT4WD for 2 years

what are you planning to redline drop it haha doing some AWD drive launches perhaps?

Spenser 01-30-2005 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by topspeed

Originally Posted by Spenser
no dude, I want it. as long as the body is straight and the inner fenders wells aren't completely rusted out I want it. I"ve been looking for a wagovan with RT4WD for 2 years

what are you planning to redline drop it haha doing some AWD drive launches perhaps?

I plan on using it as a make shift ambulance to pick up expecting mothers, kill them, and eat their babies.

leed 01-30-2005 02:28 PM

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Nice ride. Me likey.

Funny that you live in Bellingham. If you happen to see my ---- box around, maybe we can make a run haha, ---- box vs ---- box.

Heres my boosted Wagovan
http://a5.cpimg.com/image/37/E0/3312...-02000180-.jpg

http://a4.cpimg.com/image/F8/C5/3312...-02000180-.jpg

Dont know if you've already seen it, but here from when we had some snow a few weeks back.

http://www.draglab.com/dave/WagonDrift.wmv

shadetree 01-30-2005 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by leed
Nice ride. Me likey.

Funny that you live in Bellingham. If you happen to see my ---- box around, maybe we can make a run haha, ---- box vs ---- box.

Heres my boosted Wagovan
http://a5.cpimg.com/image/37/E0/3312...-02000180-.jpg

That's sick! You're set up looks nice as hell.

I'm trying to recognize that parking lot, but failing.

That vid made me laugh. My wagon had been sitting for awhile. I was unemployed for awhile, had no $$ to fix it. I have a pathfinder, too, a was out doing doughnuts.

I want to make a vid of my beater: on chuckanut, going up to Baker in 18" of powpow(if it ever snows again), dirt roads(I really like the road up to the hangglider lookout on Blachard), on road/off road/sidewalk/lawn hijinks.

There's a nice grass bank I like to wallride in right as you come into Fairhaven on 12th. Also coming from Fairhaven to downtown, that left that goes down past the interurban, over the train track, by GP. I like to cut the corner after the tracks tight, go inside the telephone pole, thru the dirt, spit back on the road, and wind my piece out as fast as it will go on that straight away coming back onto cornwall.

You might know where I put my wagon into a ditch when I first got it. You know Knox, on South Hill? There that big sweeping corner around the optical engineering building, then a straight away that has some rollers, then a offcamber hairpin, that goes down hill and puts you onto 21st, right by Western. Yeah. Hit that sweeper lovely, came fast 60-70 down the straightaway, braked hard to set up for the hairpin(but not nearly hard enough) and drifted it out of that hairpin into the ditch on the far side. Car was resting on drivers side. Passenger wheels were in the air. 4Wd SL gear, and my buddy pushing on the driver's side, drove it up and out. It was throwing up mud clods for a couple days.

garn 01-30-2005 06:22 PM

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thats badass, i want one!

GenLx 01-31-2005 02:28 AM

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you live in bellingham? man i gotta drive up and meet you and talk about turbo kit for my car and i gotta see terry's turbo shop or whatever. i need to talk to someone who actually has done this stuff before. pm or email me, better yet i'll pm you

88dx 01-31-2005 02:46 AM

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Uh how much do you charge to do lawn jobs? im local so let me know ;)

necro 01-31-2005 09:49 AM

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Nice setup not to many of those on the site. I like those wagons.

shadetree 02-01-2005 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RENR
wow looks like a clean setup. whats up with a pic of the whole car....

http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BWHOCIVWAG4WD911.JPG
This is what it looks like....except BEAT ON..no clear on hood, dents, a hole in the bumper...and with 99 si rims, & yakima racks.

I'll have more pics of cross member hacking and welding, the little reservoir setup for the power steering, and other stuff.


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